Leftist Child Grooming

[Bacle]

The P's are always trying to latch on, and every time in the past they have eventually (usually quite quickly) been thrown back off.

As to @Bacle, there's no excuse for gays consorting with pedos, just like there's no excuse for anyone else doing the same.

I never said there was, only that the 'lesser evil' for a long time in the community was the people not wanting to lobodomize them if someone even admitted to being gay.

When people fear getting lobodomized for even admitting to being gay, reporting abuse is a lot harder, and then there's the pedo's in Hollywood and power using it for...well, look at Harvey Weinstein and Epstein. I understanding why it happened, not approving of it happening.

Make no mistake, there is no room for Ps, and frankly the whole LGB movement was rendered moot-by-victory (or should have been) when Obergfell passed.

I mean having dealt with a P Rabbi long-term substitute teacher looking at porn in class in middle school and getting kicked for it, I know damn well how insidious they can be, and how they can hide under civil, religious, and educational positions. But you don't see me blaming the Jewish community for his actions, do you?

We can condemn Ps without giving the anti-Obergfell groups more power.

As to @LordsFire The issue is that no, there's nothing special about god that stops degeneracy. There are tons of pedos that worship god, there are tons who don't. That socalled absolute truth you think comes from the bible quite simply isn't one. The points you raise about how one can mess around with the concept of the NAP can be apply a thousand more times to the bible or any other holy book. The NAP is short and simple, and is a lot harder to pervert the meaning of than the bible, to be honest.


The root cause of this is that LGBT 'culture' was a sick one, because it was formed by society exiling them. That's not how a healthy group of people are raised! And once they got accepted, it rapidly became less sick, starting with long term relationships, monogamy, raising kids, etc. Everyone was normalizing, and when they normalized, they left the culture. So now all that's left in the culture is those that loved it. And that's a problem, as they tend to be more fucked up than the norm. And so as the need for the culture died, and people left, bad actors took it over, inheriting a lot of unearned political power.

They absolutely want the repression. They want to be able to bitch and moan, but more importantly, they hat that people integrated with society. The amount of hate LGBTs get from the community for integrating successfully is large. From complaining about 'passing privilege' for Ts who transition well, to calling Bis who end up with the opposite sex straight, to other shit, it's fucked up. And so it pushes more LGBTs out of the community (a win) but further cedes power to the crazies (a loss). Like, Pride is important because I know there are still people who would rather us go and fucking disappear, and more importantly, there are still gays who are taught that they are awful for being gay. But it's less important every year, and more and more I dislike the people there.

The whole Pride thing is a little...absurd.

Frankly I think the Right would be more accepting of LGBs if we stopped with all the pride month bullshit; I don't give a damn if someone wear's a rainbow pin, and frankly I think the 'Pride' movement should have ended with a victory celebration after Obergfell.

 

[Sobek]

As I have said before, LGBT+ is a political movement. The person might be gay or trans or bi, but they are not part of the LGBT+ movement by default like the movement claims.

 

[Rocinante]

I never said there was, only that the 'lesser evil' for a long time in the community was the people not wanting to lobodomize them if someone even admitted to being gay.

When people fear getting lobodomized for even admitting to being gay, reporting abuse is a lot harder, and then there's the pedo's in Hollywood and power using it for...well, look at Harvey Weinstein and Epstein. I understanding why it happened, not approving of it happening.

Make no mistake, there is no room for Ps, and frankly the whole LGB movement was rendered moot-by-victory (or should have been) when Obergfell passed.

I mean having dealt with a P Rabbi long-term substitute teacher looking at porn in class in middle school and getting kicked for it, I know damn well how insidious they can be, and how they can hide under civil, religious, and educational positions. But you don't see me blaming the Jewish community for his actions, do you?

We can condemn Ps without giving the anti-Obergfell groups more power.
The whole Pride thing is a little...absurd.

Frankly I think the Right would be more accepting of LGBs if we stopped with all the pride month bullshit; I don't give a damn if someone wear's a rainbow pin, and frankly I think the 'Pride' movement should have ended with a victory celebration after Obergfell.

I've said it a million times, and the aforementioned lesbian couple I mentioned agrees: pride month hurts the gays way more than it helps.

So many people are fine with it just as long as you don't cram it down their throats...no pun intended.

So the solution? Let's cram it down everyone's throats for an ENTIRE FUCKING MONTH.

By the end of the month I am basically fucking sick and tired of the gays. It makes me have negative thoughts by default. And my best fucking friends are gay.

If you want a yearly pride day, fine. Why the fuck is it an entire fucking month?

 

[Abhorsen]

Yeah, the reason why it's a month was it was never nailed down to a day, so different cities do the parades on different days (which is a stupid reason, but why it happened). It shouldn't be a month, and Pride's usefulness in the US is at an all time low.

 

[Bacle]

Yeah, the reason why it's a month was it was never nailed down to a day, so different cities do the parades on different days (which is a stupid reason, but why it happened). It shouldn't be a month, and Pride's usefulness in the US is at an all time low.

How about the 9th, so at least we can get 6-9 jokes, and it doesn't overlap with Memorial Day.

 

[Morphic Tide]

The ideology of human-derived morality has no such foundation to stand upon.

Everything about what you've said boils down to "Rule of Law for ethics". The only thing making this a problem is the lack of anyone who's bludgeoned enough people into accepting a codification of such, because "human-derived morality" is very specifically born of a desire to stop the bullshit with unaccountable power structures.

Which is why the nearest we have to a solution is the goal-oriented writings of the Founding Fathers of the United States. Nearest thing to a "canon" on that would be the Federalist Papers, to my knowledge, as the Constitution is just a legal document intended to keep the force of law out of this question.

Hence marriage turning into a secular contract, which inevitably crept into same-sex marriage. Because legal benefits were attached to respect the formation of the household, and thus the feds could not allow the interdenominational shit-flinging to get in the way of those benefits.

 

[Cherico]

Yeah, the reason why it's a month was it was never nailed down to a day, so different cities do the parades on different days (which is a stupid reason, but why it happened). It shouldn't be a month, and Pride's usefulness in the US is at an all time low.

The stone wall riots happened on June 28th. If your going to nail it to a single day on June thats the day you should use.

 

[Abhorsen]

The stone wall riots happened on June 28th. If your going to nail it to a single day on June thats the day you should use.

So the riots lasted 3 nights, first of all. Then there was issues about how to celebrate it (Last Sunday in June? On the 28th? Closest weekend?), which made it more amorphous. This wasn't some perfect planning or nationwide organization either, so different groups settled on different days. Honestly, the only 'solution' I see is a national holiday, and I hate giving out more holidays to government workers. It'll just stay a sorta fractured mess.

 

[BlackDragon98]

drag shit being promoted on reddit does NOT have the report option available

the noose tightens and the question must be asked

when does rebellion become duty?

 

[Cherico]

drag shit being promoted on reddit does NOT have the report option available

the noose tightens and the question must be asked

when does rebellion become duty?

I don't know, but pretty much the entire world is fucked to some degree.

 

[Aldarion]

 

[Zyobot]

1. This actually a real photo? I’m sure someone posted it, but considering how what they post can be edited (or even faked) to begin with, it’s good to verify.

2. Because guns can be used for more than abusing people without the maturity or life experience to have sex yet (which child porn entails). Hunting and target shooting don’t actually hurt anyone, for instance, though self-defense cases hurt people who (presumably) deserve it, so…

 

[Aldarion]

1. This actually a real photo? I’m sure someone posted it, but considering how what they post can be edited (or even faked) to begin with, it’s good to verify.

It is:

2. Because guns can be used for more than abusing people without the maturity or life experience to have sex yet (which child porn entails). Hunting and target shooting don’t actually hurt anyone, for instance, though self-defense cases hurt people who (presumably) deserve it, so…

Guns can also be used for self defense against depraved idiots, including murderers. Using children for porn leads to often permanent psychological damage.

 

[Zyobot]

It is:

I see.

Guns can also be used for self defense against depraved idiots, including murderers. Using children for porn leads to often permanent psychological damage.

I was referring to self-defense, as well, yes, with depraved idiots counted as those who presumably deserve it. Otherwise, I agree, though Neil here doesn’t strike me as the kind of guy to actually care for that distinction, only to make a point that, in his mind, is final and the be-all, end-all of the gun debate. (Of course, you and I both know it’s not, but he either doesn’t see it that way or he simply doesn’t care, so I see little point to arguing with him directly about this topic. )

 

[Marduk]

Guns can also be used for self defense against depraved idiots, including murderers.

And that is their problem with guns and any other means and tactics of self defense for the matter. They are leftists, murderers and depraved idiots are some of their favorite people, victims of society and all, of course they don't want you to have the right nor the means to hurt them. They would always graciously give you the right to attempt to flee at most.

In the Criminal Code of 1926 there was a most stupid Article 139 – “on the limits of necessary self-defense” —according to which you had the right to unsheath your knife only after the criminal’s knife was hovering over you. And you could stab him only after he had stabbed you. And otherwise you would be the one put on trial. (And there was no article in our legislation saying that the greater criminal was the one who attacked someone weaker than himself.) This fear of exceeding the measure of necessary self-defense lead to total spinelessness as a national characteristic. A hoodlum once began to beat up the Red Army man Aleksandr Zakharov outside a club. Zakharov took out a folding penknife and killed the hoodlum. And for this he got….ten years for plain murder! “And what was I supposed to do?” he asked, astonished. Prosecutor Artsishevsky replied: “You should have fled!” So tell me, who creates hoodlums?

The important point here is that this applied even to the commies of the early Soviet Union, who would hand out death sentences left and right for all sorts of reasons, not even the bleeding heart modern western leftists.

 

[Zyobot]

And that is their problem with guns and any other means and tactics of self defense for the matter. They are leftists, murderers and depraved idiots are some of their favorite people, victims of society and all, of course they don't want you to have the right nor the means to hurt them. They would always graciously give you the right to attempt to flee at most.

Actually, I’d say less it’s that these people—or, at least, the actively nefarious among them—object to guns as a tool… and more they want control over who’s allowed to have them, and what they do with their privilege.

Don’t hold me to this, but I recall something about Lenin releasing criminals and letting them terrorize the populace for a bit as part of his terror campaigns, in large part because he wasn’t concerned about them turning on him someday. Likewise, you had Mao letting mobs of Red Guards loose to beat up, humiliate, and execute “enemies of the people”, though once they spiraled out of control, he crushed them, too.

 

[DarthOne]

EDIT: Not saying my thoughts on the matter, just posted it here for discussion.

 

[DarthOne]

See, there's a difference here.

Christians have a holy book, called the Bible. In the Bible the rules for Christian conduct, what we should and should not do, are laid out.

Witch trials are not condoned, so I can accurately say these people were violating God's law when they did that.

Conversion by the sword is not just not condoned, it is condemned, so I can say those people were violating God's law when they did that.

When a pedophile, whether in a position of power or influence within the church, a regular congregation member, or outside of the church altogether, predates upon a child, I can say 'this is wrong, this violates God's laws.'

The standard is clear, many people fail to live up to it, but there is a standard.



The ideology of human-derived morality has no such foundation to stand upon.

Also, the difference between 'a shameful secret' in the (very corrupt) catholic church, and occassionally in some others as well, that causes humiliation and rightful public outcry against such things, compared to 'we are going to sexualize your children en masse in schools, take them to strip clubs, have them dress up in drag and do lap dances, and call you evil if you dare try to stop us' should be pretty damned obvious.

On a related note:

 

[Morphic Tide]

It's really the liberty spiral that's the problem. Secularization started from rejecting unaccountable power-structures based on overly centralized religion, whether the Church itself or the Kings justified by the Church, but this desire for freedom did not stop at just demanding accountability to prevent tyranny (only usually getting hijacked by strongmen), it's been constantly pushing to a rejection of impositions on oneself as a whole.

At some point, ethics always comes back to accepting axioms, but when you have a massive religious institution like the Catholic Church backing those axioms, there's not a "proper" way to course-correct when it turns out they don't work. A case with staggering depopulation of men in war leading comes to mind for why that's important.

Arguments for genuine moral objectivism run into enormous problems with the inconstance of worldly conditions. In the situation mentioned, the Catholic Church recognized that monogamy would not work with the shortage of men, and gave the surviving men permission to have multiple wives in response. They had to set aside doctrine to deal with the reality of the world.

However, it's also true that there is a need for a common "social contract" for societies to function. "When in Rome, do as the Romans do" is the "working" moral relativism: The people stuck living near eachother need to agree on enough basic matters of lifestyle to accept living near eachother, but if the general populations aren't impacting eachother, you don't need common rules.

Edit: Basically, the problem with secularism isn't that it's rejecting religion, it's that the predominant reason for rejecting religion was "I don't want people telling me what to do", without a cutoff for that motive. So it kept getting more extreme until we land at today's flavor of libertines, obsessed with "I don't want people telling me what to do" but perfectly fine making demands of others.

It can work quite a lot more stably than Catholicism since monolithic power structures like that attract corruption like vultures to carrion, but as of yet nobody has managed to actually replace the Church with a worldly basis for close-enough moral values. The need is the formalizing of the social contract, the supernatural is just how we started justifying it. At this point, we could make an alternative. But why bother with all that work to stabilize things when you could instead profiteer off degeneracy?

 

[BlackDragon98]

EDIT: Not saying my thoughts on the matter, just posted it here for discussion.

ZA RODINA!

on another note, its time to start learning Russian and scoping out properties in Crimea