Breaking News January 6th Stop the Steal Rally & Capitol Breaching/Storming

Zachowon

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The Iraqis most likely did research on them and then forgot about them.
Bush however, claimed the Iraq had them ready to deploy against the US, which was a big fooking lie.
Iraq invasion clearly had ulterior purposes, like destabilizing the Mideast and permanently raising oil prices.
Also, Saddam rebelled against the global cabal and tried to go his own way, so they had to shut him down.
Can't have a rogue running around, showing the rest of the world that living without the cabal is actually better.
....Just because they had some that were in bad shape doesn't mean they ddnt have any real threat...
yeah I’m also tired of people who can’t accept that basic truth.
Cant tell if throwing shade or not
 

BlackDragon98

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....Just because they had some that were in bad shape doesn't mean they ddnt have any real threat...
Threat?
They're more of a threat to the Iraqis themselves than anyone else.
Japanese tried deploying bioweapons in WW2 against the Chinese, ended up infecting thousands of their own troops.

Same thing is gonna happen to the Iraqi if they tried.
 

Zachowon

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Threat?
They're more of a threat to the Iraqis themselves than anyone else.
Japanese tried deploying bioweapons in WW2 against the Chinese, ended up infecting thousands of their own troops.

Same thing is gonna happen to the Iraqi if they tried.
Look, in the end, we know they had WMDs. Do we know if they had ones as a threat? we have no clue. They can get rid of it before we get there and clima they don't have it...
 

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Oh I agree fully about the latter. I am just tired of the "There was no WMDs" thing.


The Argument for Iraq was that Saddam had a WMD program that was churning out new Chemical weapons and Bioweapons. There was fear, at the time, of Iraq selling these weapons to Al Queda and other Islamic terrorist groups.

All of this turned out to be false. There was no renewed programs to restart WMD production. CIA, NSA, DIA, NATO and other intelligence agencies were wrong.

The other half of that argument was that Iraq had stockpiles of WMDs still around. This turned out to be correct in only the most technical terms. I was on a team that found them. There were other teams that found them. But we all found the same thing. Worthless shit that, while dangerous, wasn't exactly going to kill large swaths of people.

The Iraqis most likely did research on them and then forgot about them.
Bush however, claimed the Iraq had them ready to deploy against the US, which was a big fooking lie.
Iraq invasion clearly had ulterior purposes, like destabilizing the Mideast and permanently raising oil prices.
Also, Saddam rebelled against the global cabal and tried to go his own way, so they had to shut him down.
Can't have a rogue running around, showing the rest of the world that living without the cabal is actually better.


Maybe I'm a bit naïve, but I fail to see how a destabilized Middle East serves US interests. Especially as we've spent decades trying to stabilize the region to little effect. And there were better ways to remove Saddam from Power without actually putting mass number of boots on the ground. All that was achieved was was the region destabilized, oil and gas prices going up (Which served OPECs interests and not ours), saw our reputation tarnished for decades (which we are still paying the price for) and saw any good will we had over September 11th go up in smoke. We as a country got nothing out of Iraq other than heartache, dept and a thousands of men and women maimed and killed.
 

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Anyway we are getting off topic. But if you guys would like, we could discuss this in its own thread.
 

Zachowon

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The Argument for Iraq was that Saddam had a WMD program that was churning out new Chemical weapons and Bioweapons. There was fear, at the time, of Iraq selling these weapons to Al Queda and other Islamic terrorist groups.

All of this turned out to be false. There was no renewed programs to restart WMD production. CIA, NSA, DIA, NATO and other intelligence agencies were wrong.

The other half of that argument was that Iraq had stockpiles of WMDs still around. This turned out to be correct in only the most technical terms. I was on a team that found them. There were other teams that found them. But we all found the same thing. Worthless shit that, while dangerous, wasn't exactly going to kill large swaths of people.




Maybe I'm a bit naïve, but I fail to see how a destabilized Middle East serves US interests. Especially as we've spent decades trying to stabilize the region to little effect. And there were better ways to remove Saddam from Power without actually putting mass number of boots on the ground. All that was achieved was was the region destabilized, oil and gas prices going up (Which served OPECs interests and not ours), saw our reputation tarnished for decades (which we are still paying the price for) and saw any good will we had over September 11th go up in smoke. We as a country got nothing out of Iraq other than heartache, dept and a thousands of men and women maimed and killed.
I will do my own research into this, and see just how wrong the NSA was. I don't have access to my systems right now but I will check. I wont be able to say anything but this is more for my side.

I still think Saddam moved out all the current stuff when we were on our way.

I still have a lot different views on ALL of this
 

Spartan303

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I will do my own research into this, and see just how wrong the NSA was. I don't have access to my systems right now but I will check. I wont be able to say anything but this is more for my side.

I still think Saddam moved out all the current stuff when we were on our way.

I still have a lot different views on ALL of this


He probably did move it out but it doesn't really matter anymore, does it?
 

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If they ever had WMDs, they'd have used them to defend themselves against our invasion. They didn't. QED, there were no WMDs.
That proves nothing... the US maintains a military policy of "You use WMDs on us, we will use MORE OF THEM on you."

Germany in WW2 had WMDs, specifically chemical weapons. They absolutely had them and we know because that is in part how they managed to industrialize genocide by using said chemical agents to speed up the killing process.

Yet they NEVER used them on the Allied forces even when they were losing the war. Why? Because Hilter, and the German command, knew that the US still had MASSIVE stockpiles of Mustard Gas and other such WMDs and would use them. Likewise the Japanese had many chemical weapons (and biological) as mentioned above. They deployed them against China, but not against the US (OK, technically they did try and use a biological weapon against the US, but it was such a weird niche and longshot effort that nobody knew they'd tried it until something like the 1990s because of how unsuccessful it was), but chemical weapons and the like? Zilche despite some of the worst fighting because, again, they knew the US would respond in kind... and escalate (and, considering we then dropped nukes on them...).

Look, the US has lost a lot of it's backbone since WW2. I don't think many in the US would have the stomach for using WMDs. However, nations don't gamble that the US has lost that much backbone when it comes to the WMD game. If you gamble on it and win your country is still facing down a military power with no present peer and your WMDs probably only slowed it down a little bit. If you gamble on it and lose? Going forward your country would be spoken of in past tense. When your options are "fast military defeat", vs. "military defeat" or "annihilation", you generally don't go with the one that has a chance of "annihilation".
 

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Video shows police giving permission to protestors to peacefully enter and protest in the Capitol.
Not that this will change anything, but I'm glad it's out.

Two of the guys in that video are instantly recognizable now, and here they are going on about how they must remain peaceful.

Wow. They Literally just talked their way in.
 

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I was honestly expecting that to pass with flying colors; what is the establishment even doing at this point? Because it seems like it's working at cross purposes against itself.
Nah, the whole Commission was another of Pelosi's stunts, more than anything.

I think the Senate as whole getting sick of her wasting their time on this shit.
 

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