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United States George Floyd Protests, Reactions and Riots

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While it's nice that BLM is getting irrelevant again (until they are again needed), getting police refunded won't do much, as the current state of the justice system is made the new normal, to the point where people doing the mass shootings are out on bail in under 24 hours.
Besides as the covid lockdowns and the riots demonstrated the police won’t protect you, they will just torment you for not kowtowing to the state. Quite frankly a single teenager was more useful than a city’s entire police force.
 

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While it's nice that BLM is getting irrelevant again (until they are again needed), getting police refunded won't do much, as the current state of the justice system is made the new normal, to the point where people doing the mass shootings are out on bail in under 24 hours.
Only in deep blue Jurisdictions.
 

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And those keep expanding although some areas are starting to resist the locust hordes of affluent white liberals
How? I'd like to imagine these liberals get harassed and bullied out of town, or the locals are simply so hostile the leftoids can't take it, but I doubt that's how it goes down.
 

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So the DA says they cannot disprove a 'self-defense claim' in this incident.

Guess pepper spray counts as enough of a weapon to justify lethal force in the DA's mind. :rolleyes:
 

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So the DA says they cannot disprove a 'self-defense claim' in this incident.

Guess pepper spray counts as enough of a weapon to justify lethal force in the DA's mind. :rolleyes:
But remember, they wasted a shitton of money prosecuting Rittenhouse with bullshit, and another DA in...St. Louis charged a bar owner who was on his back with a violent fuckwit charging him for manslaughter or murder (unfortunately the bar owner took his own life).

The Rittenhouse prosecutor jerkoff stated he wouldn't have charged bicep man if he killed Rittenhouse either.
 

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But remember, they wasted a shitton of money prosecuting Rittenhouse with bullshit, and another DA in...St. Louis charged a bar owner who was on his back with a violent fuckwit charging him for manslaughter or murder (unfortunately the bar owner took his own life).

The Rittenhouse prosecutor jerkoff stated he wouldn't have charged bicep man if he killed Rittenhouse either.
lawyers are educated in academia and academia has an ideology. when we have to rely on mellenials and zoomers as our lawers and judges we are gonna see the wokists claim a lot of power.
 

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Virginia board is set to return names of the Confederate generals Stonewall Jackson, Turner Ashby and Robert E Lee to two schools after they were changed during George Floyd protests


  • A Virginia school board is considering restoring names of schools that had originally been named for Confederate generals
  • Shenandoah County School Board in 2020 voted to change Stonewall Jackson High School to Mountain View and Ashby-Lee Elementary School to Honey Run
  • Vocal opposition came from community members and alumni with more than 4,000 people signing a petition to switch the names back
  • This time, the board has now decided to poll constituents on whether the names should be changed back with the next board meeting set for June 9
Two Virginia schools which had been named after Confederate generals and soldiers and which changed their names in the wake of the 2020 murder of George Floyd, are to revert back to their earlier names.

The Shenandoah County School Board changed Stonewall Jackson High School to Mountain View High School and Ashby-Lee Elementary School to Honey Run Elementary School in Quicksburg, following a board vote in July 2020 and final approval in January 2021.

But less than two years later, a petition was launched to gauge the strength of feeling on reverting the schools back to their original names.

Vocal opposition came from community members and alumni with more than 4,000 people signing the petition to switch the names back.

The topic was discussed at length by the six member, all-white school board, during a meeting last week.

Some new board members felt the decision to change names was rushed and did not take into account the opinions of the community.

Board Vice Chair Dennis Barlow said those who were in favor of changing the names were outsiders who are 'creepy,' 'elitist' and from 'the dark side,' he told NBC News.

He claims the school board's decision to change names in the first place was 'undemocratic and unfair' noting that he believed General Stonewall Jackson to be a 'gallant commander.'

'Most people who vote for elected officials then count on them to do the right thing on their behalf,' said board member Cynthia Walsh who does not believe the names should be changed back.

'We do have a representative democracy. We don't have a direct democracy,' she added.

'Times have changed, the makeup of our schools has changed and I sincerely believe that revisiting the name change is not what's best for kids,' Walsh said.


'I suggested a compromise: adding a third' option — I did not agree to the name change but I do not think we should change it back — 'and that's where we left it that night, but we didn't vote on it,' Walsh said.

'In my opinion if you're doing it countywide, you might as well throw the students out because they don't care,' said Kyle Gutshall who was elected to the board in this year is a recent high school graduate.

But other board members were adamant throughout the night that the decision has to first be what's right for the students.

'No. 1 criteria: what is best for kids. The kids we'e going to teach today and the next 25 years,' said board member Andrew Keller.

Rather than make a unilateral decision, this time the board has now decided to poll constituents on whether the names should be changed back. The next school board meeting is set for June 9.

Shenandoah County Public Schools have declined to offer an opinion on the issue.

'It is the responsibility of the Shenandoah County School Board to determine the name of schools, school facilities, and areas of school facilities or grounds in the division. We do not have a comment or statement as a division at this time,' the district said in a statement.

After George Floyd's death, statues, monuments, schools and buildings around the country that had been named after Confederate leaders were suddenly the focal point of racial justice. Since that time, several statues and monuments have been taken down and either relocated or placed into storage.

There are more than 6,000 student at school run by the school district with more than 75 percent of them white and about 3 percent, black according to U.S. News & World Report.

What's in a name? Virginia schools that moved with the times
The Shenandoah County School Board made a unanimous vote on the new names for two of its schools on January 14, 2021.
In July 2020, the school board voted to remove the names of Stonewall Jackson and Ashby-Lee from two of its schools’ names in Quicksburg.

Committees were formed with students, community members, and staff members as the school board narrowed down the possible new names.

The school board voted 6-0 that Stonewall Jackson High School be changed to Mountain View High School, and Ashby-Lee Elementary School renamed Honey Run Elementary.

At the time, it was reported how the community has rallied and showed their support of name changes.
Two non-profits even donated money to the schools to be used for the name change with one anonymous donor sending $25,000 for Stonewall Jackson’s name change alone.

Robert Edward Lee was an American Confederate general best known as a commander of the Confederate States Army during the American Civil War. He commanded the Army of Northern Virginia from 1862 until its surrender in 1865. Lee was the only president of the Confederate States of America.

General Stonewall Jackson served as a Confederate general during the American Civil War, and became one of the best-known Confederate commanders after General Robert E. Lee.

Turner Ashby was a Confederate soldier known as the Black Knight. Ashby wore black to mourn the death of his soldier-brother, and he rode a white horse in battle.

General 'Stonewall' Jackson: 'Legendary' General and supporter of slavery who died during Civil War
An engraving of Confederate general Thomas Jonathan Jackson, better known a 'Stonewall' Jackson, done by the artist Desmaisons around 1850

Thomas Jonathan Jackson was born on January 21, 1824, in Clarksburg, Virginia, now West Virginia, and became one of the best known Confederate generals in the Civil War, after General Robert E. Lee.

He was a graduate of Virginia Military Institute and later an artillery professor. He is said to have acquired his nickname 'Stonewall' at the First Battle of Manassas on July 21, 1861, from Confederate general Bernard Bee.

He became known for his 'legendary' military prowess at Harpers Ferry in 1861, his 1862 Shenandoah Valley Campaign, and the flanking maneuver at the Battle of Chancellorsville, leading to many statues, schools and even towns being named after him across the US.

Jackson is also a controversial figure.

Like many Confederate leaders he held anti-abolitionist views that it was 'God's will' that slavery existed, and is known to have owned at least six enslaved individuals.

Some Confederate historians argue that Jackson was sympathetic to abolition because he took part in a black Sunday school in 1855 and that several slaves reportedly 'asked' to be bought by him to 'save them' from harsher owners in the Deep South.
Other historians warn that these 'myths' are routinely used to make former slave-owners appear 'benevolent' and to distance the Confederate cause from slavery and white supremacy.

They also claim that Jackson's participation in black Sunday school could also be viewed as part of a wide-spread attempt at controlling black, religious life.

Jackson was accidentally killed, aged 39, by friendly fire in Chancellorsville in May 1863, by a soldier or soldiers of the 18th North Carolina Infantry Regiment.


Who was Robert E. Lee?

Robert E. Lee, one of the U.S. Army's most brilliant officers prior to the Civil War, turned down President Lincoln's offer of a Union command to join the Confederacy despite personally opposing the secession of pro-slavery states.

'If I owned the four millions of slaves in the South I would sacrifice them all to the Union; but how can I draw my sword upon Virginia, my native state?' Lee is said to have replied when offered a senior U.S. command at the dawn of the war.

In resigning his U.S. Army commission, Lee also expressed skepticism about the legitimacy of a 'Union that can only be maintained by swords and bayonets.'

For the Confederacy, he commanded the Army of Northern Virginia.

He had victories in the Seven Days Battles and the second Bull Run, but led the rebels to the pivotal defeat at Gettysburg.
Lee held off General Ulysses S. Grant from complete victory, then personally surrendered at Appomattox as General in Chief.

A slaveholder himself, Lee nevertheless expressed conflicted reservations about slavery through his life. In an 1856 letter to his wife, he maintained that slavery was a great evil, but primarily due to negative impact he believed it had on white people.

After the war, he backed the end of slavery and supported reunification, but said black people 'lack intelligence.'

Decidedly mixed feelings on this one. On the one hand, Saint Floyd's death caused a lot of bullshit that should not have happened. On the other hand...the Confederacy might be part of American history that deserves to be remembered, even if just as humans with some very flawed ideas and not 2d cartoon villains. But...
 

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Virginia board is set to return names of the Confederate generals Stonewall Jackson, Turner Ashby and Robert E Lee to two schools after they were changed during George Floyd protests





Decidedly mixed feelings on this one. On the one hand, Saint Floyd's death caused a lot of bullshit that should not have happened. On the other hand...the Confederacy might be part of American history that deserves to be remembered, even if just as humans with some very flawed ideas and not 2d cartoon villains. But...
Mixed myself on this.
Good they are being changed back, but perhaps find a local hero to name them after
 

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Virginia board is set to return names of the Confederate generals Stonewall Jackson, Turner Ashby and Robert E Lee to two schools after they were changed during George Floyd protests





Decidedly mixed feelings on this one. On the one hand, Saint Floyd's death caused a lot of bullshit that should not have happened. On the other hand...the Confederacy might be part of American history that deserves to be remembered, even if just as humans with some very flawed ideas and not 2d cartoon villains. But...
I would have been against changing them in the first place because I don't care about confederate names that much, though I get why people don't like them.

As far as changing them back? Meh. You could pick a better name. As @Zachowon suggested, go for a local hero or something like that.

So changing away from Confederate names seems like a pointless waste of time and money, moving TO them also seems like a stupid, pointless waste of money, but a little worse because these losers were on the wrong side of a war they lost a long time ago.

Every locale has got to have a few local heroes to pull names from if they really want to pick a new name.
 

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As far as changing them back? Meh. You could pick a better name. As @Zachowon suggested, go for a local hero or something like that.
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Thomas Jackson IS considered a local hero in the Shenandoah region. He was born in Clarksburg Virginia (now West Virginia) part of the Appalachian region that the Shenandoah is the heart of. He taught at VMI, located at Lexington, Virginia, smack in the middle of the Shenandoah Valley and his only purchased home was in Lexington. His command in the Civil War, the "Stonewall Brigade" drew soldiers from across the Shenandoah Valley and was appointed the Commander of the "Valley District" in the Civil War (the Valley District being the Shenandoah Valley). Jackson's most famous individual action was the Valley Campaign... taking place, again, in the Shenandoah Valley.

I get it, he was on the wrong side, but your ignorance of the Civil War is showing if you think that Stonewall Jackson doesn't qualify as a local hero to people in Shenandoah...
 

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Thomas Jackson IS considered a local hero in the Shenandoah region. He was born in Clarksburg Virginia (now West Virginia) part of the Appalachian region that the Shenandoah is the heart of. He taught at VMI, located at Lexington, Virginia, smack in the middle of the Shenandoah Valley and his only purchased home was in Lexington. His command in the Civil War, the "Stonewall Brigade" drew soldiers from across the Shenandoah Valley and was appointed the Commander of the "Valley District" in the Civil War (the Valley District being the Shenandoah Valley). Jackson's most famous individual action was the Valley Campaign... taking place, again, in the Shenandoah Valley.

I get it, he was on the wrong side, but your ignorance of the Civil War is showing if you think that Stonewall Jackson doesn't qualify as a local hero to people in Shenandoah...
I thought Stonewall was SC
 

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Thomas Jackson IS considered a local hero in the Shenandoah region. He was born in Clarksburg Virginia (now West Virginia) part of the Appalachian region that the Shenandoah is the heart of. He taught at VMI, located at Lexington, Virginia, smack in the middle of the Shenandoah Valley and his only purchased home was in Lexington. His command in the Civil War, the "Stonewall Brigade" drew soldiers from across the Shenandoah Valley and was appointed the Commander of the "Valley District" in the Civil War (the Valley District being the Shenandoah Valley). Jackson's most famous individual action was the Valley Campaign... taking place, again, in the Shenandoah Valley.

I get it, he was on the wrong side, but your ignorance of the Civil War is showing if you think that Stonewall Jackson doesn't qualify as a local hero to people in Shenandoah...
I meant go for a local hero that wasn't on the losing side of one of our bloodiest wars in our nation's history.

If the names are already there, I really don't care. But if you're going to be changing names, I'd choose something less controversial.

I still don't even care that much even if they pick a Confederate name. This isn't something I am emotionally invested in. I just feel they could pick better things.
 

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Both sides had great men and villains.

One side of the war was clearly wrong but I have no problem with people wanting to name stuff after them.

I thoroughly despise the movement of trying to erase people and events from history because the modern left doesn't like them.

F that. Learn from history, don't erase it. There were good and bad individuals on both sides. Study all of them to emulate the good and warn against the bad.
 

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Just a reminder there is a reason why the 'Confederate Air Force' changed it's name to the 'Commemorative Air Force' long before George Floyd was killed.

Turns out associating yourself or your organization with the Confederate States of America tends to be bad for marketing, investment potential, and public relations. Which are actually important for organizations to consider, if they aren't just trying to cater to people who support and embrace Confederate mythology of the war.

Which is why these areas should find local Union agents or sympathizers to honor instead of switching the names back to honoring Confederates. Or even some local WW1/WW2 vets who deserve it more than CSA scum.

Removing things honoring the Confederacy will NEVER erase the evils the Confederacy perpetrated, or the legacy of hate it made manifest in the KKK. The American Civil War will never be forgotten or erased from American history, so complaining about 'history being erased' when Confederate monuments, memorials, or names are removed or renamed is fucking farcical and a way to pretend that this isn't about certain former Confederate areas still wanting to cling to the mythology around the CSA, because they were brainwashed by the Daughters or the Confederacy and KKK, due to both orgs influence over education in the pre-Civil Right Act American Southeast.
 
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