United States George Floyd Protests, Reactions and Riots

Cherico

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Yoi think the demorats care? As far as they are concerned, the law is a club to bludgeon us into submission with. Tear it out of their hands and start beating them with it instead.

this isn't even the first time, they pulled similar up to the begining of the US civil war with trying to expand slavery. If history repeats itself and they throw us into civil war after throwing a hissy fit after someone they didn't like won, I will not be happy about it.
 

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The Mother of Daunte Wrights son, the person who was killed by a Brooklyn Center Police officer who mistook her taser for a gun when shooting him, is apparently filing a lawsuit against her Lawyer, the famous Benjamin Crump. She wants 50% of the GoFundMe money that was allegedly promised to her but apparently all of the money went to the parents of Daunte Wright so Chyna Whitaker, the Baby Mama, was left out.

The GoFundMe page which has garnered a million plus in donations initially stated the money would go to supporting Daunte Wright's parents AND Daunte Wright's son, but that portion of the message has apparently been removed.

Alpha News said:
Ben Crump’s eponymous law firm, based in Florida, provided Fox 9 with a statement calling the lawsuit “strictly a family dispute.”

“Ben Crump Law never handled or controlled the money from this GoFundMe account, which was under the sole direction of Daunte’s parents. Ben Crump Law did not benefit from any of the funds raised, and we did not accept any fee in this case. Our hearts are always with the family, and we pray that they can find resolution,” the firm wrote.

The GoFundMe page currently states that it “was established by Kelly Bryant (Daunte’s aunt), and is being managed by Adner Marcelin of Ben Crump Law.”

 

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The Mother of Daunte Wrights son, the person who was killed by a Brooklyn Center Police officer who mistook her taser for a gun when shooting him, is apparently filing a lawsuit against her Lawyer, the famous Benjamin Crump. She wants 50% of the GoFundMe money that was allegedly promised to her but apparently all of the money went to the parents of Daunte Wright so Chyna Whitaker, the Baby Mama, was left out.

The GoFundMe page which has garnered a million plus in donations initially stated the money would go to supporting Daunte Wright's parents AND Daunte Wright's son, but that portion of the message has apparently been removed.

Cynical people might assume that she's merely after the money and doesn't care much about the death of her son...
 

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Cynical people might assume that she's merely after the money and doesn't care much about the death of her son...

Oh this is Daunte Wrights Girlfriend and the mother of Daunte'a son.

It'd be more cynical to assume therefore that the Parents don't care about the Mother of their Grandchild or said Grandchild he/she/itself.
 

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Update on Daunte Wright... or rather the tragic victims equally tragic Mother, Katie Wright/Bryant. Despite receiving a $3.2 million payout after a Brooklyn Center Police Officer shot and killed her beloved Son at a traffic stop, she's apparently been charged with shoplifting/theft.



Probably due to PTSD or something I'm sure. Plus being on a Committee for Police Reform must be very stressful as well. She's still on probation for drug and weapons charges incurred the year before her beloved son was shot and killed.
 
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Cherico

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Derek Chauvin is appealing to the Supreme Court on his conviction now.

As I understand it, the appeal is based on juror intimidation due to BLM protestors threatening to kill them and burn even more cities if they didn't vote guilty. My gut says this is a pretty long shot and feels flimsy.


yeah their not going to stick their neck out for him on this one.

Much more important things on the docket.
 

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A claim of jury intimidation is always an extremely long shot, as you have to prove that there were specific, actual, and actionable threats made against specific members of the jury. Simply making a broad assertion that a popular political movement had strong feelings about the verdict does not even begin to be sufficient.
 

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yeah their not going to stick their neck out for him on this one.

Much more important things on the docket.
Sadly I agree. Personally, as I stated before, I think the trial should be overturned, and found guilty on retrial. Also, I think that the second degree conviction was a reach (but again, that was a while ago). Social cohesion-wise, I think its best it's not relitigated, but that almost always takes a backseat to what's right for me.
 

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My take is, Chauvin probably does have a case for juror intimidation, with everything that happened during the trial and the national spotlight on it.

I mean I think Chauvin was a reckless fucktard in how he handled that scumbag Floyd, and many of his fellow officers that day weren't much better for letting it happen as it did. Even if Floyd was completely and totally screwed by the fentanyl in his system, something I am not convinced of at this point, kneeling on Floyd's neck/shoulders for as long as Chauvin did was reckless beyond measure.

However, none of that changes that Chauvin likely did not get a fair trial, for multiple reasons, and juror intimidation seems like it has some legs to it compared to other possible appeal routes, given the media/national situation that effectively turned Chauvin into a scapegoat to distract from Antifa and co's rampages.

I mean I even kinda remember stories that sounded like legit juror intimidation from back when the trial was still ongoing, but nothing ever came of any of it.
 

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My take is, Chauvin probably does have a case for juror intimidation, with everything that happened during the trial and the national spotlight on it.

"Everything that happened" in the national spotlight doesn't even begin to be actual jury intimidation/tampering because none of it was specific, actual, and actionable threats made against specific members of the jury. That's the objective legal standard of proof followed for due process; you can't claim jury intimidation just because of general popularity/unpopularity.
 

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"Everything that happened" in the national spotlight doesn't even begin to be actual jury intimidation/tampering because none of it was specific, actual, and actionable threats made against specific members of the jury. That's the objective legal standard of proof followed for due process; you can't claim jury intimidation just because of general popularity/unpopularity.
As I said, I remember hearing about specific acts likely to intimidate jurors during the trial in some news stories, it's just I never heard of anything coming from it.

I'm trying to sort back through the thread back to when the trial was actively going on to see if any of the instances made it into a post here.
 

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I remember I was really wrong about him being guilty of 3rd degree murder, as I was pretty sure, but that was tossed out. I didn't think he was guilty of second degree either, I don't think, but I could have been wrong about that, it was a while ago.
 

Cherico

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I remember I was really wrong about him being guilty of 3rd degree murder, as I was pretty sure, but that was tossed out. I didn't think he was guilty of second degree either, I don't think, but I could have been wrong about that, it was a while ago.

Heres the thing what does supporting him give the right?

Seriously the police forces basically either turned on or abandoned their political allies during the months of rioting. They let conservatives be murdered in the streets, lets not forget that. So why should we stick our neck out for the officer who helped give the assholes an excuse by being reckless?

Its a lot of work and a lot of effort for zero in return.
 

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Heres the thing what does supporting him give the right?

Seriously the police forces basically either turned on or abandoned their political allies during the months of rioting. They let conservatives be murdered in the streets, lets not forget that. So why should we stick our neck out for the officer who helped give the assholes an excuse by being reckless?

Its a lot of work and a lot of effort for zero in return.
I'm not interested in whether the police deserve anything. In fact, I'm fairly hostile to police rights generally, and think that more should be prosecuted, and qualified immunity needs to go away and be replaced with something like a 'reasonableness standard' or the like.

I simply believe that justice should be done.
 

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Heres the thing what does supporting him give the right?

Seriously the police forces basically either turned on or abandoned their political allies during the months of rioting. They let conservatives be murdered in the streets, lets not forget that. So why should we stick our neck out for the officer who helped give the assholes an excuse by being reckless?

Its a lot of work and a lot of effort for zero in return.
Some people are really, really invested in 'Chauvin is completely innocent, fentanyl killed Floyd, not anything the cops did/didn't do' narratives to try to push back against the results of Floyd's death/their impact on the US social sphere/protect the 'Thin Blue Line' from backlash.

It's true many police depts effectively threw in with the rioters for political reasons, while abandoning the politically unfavored Right who had supported them. Yet many on the Right still think cops/DAs are either on their side politically, or are politically neutral, when that simply isn't the case and hasn't been for a long time now.
I'm not interested in whether the police deserve anything. In fact, I'm fairly hostile to police rights generally, and think that more should be prosecuted, and qualified immunity needs to go away and be replaced with something like a 'reasonableness standard' or the like.

I simply believe that justice should be done.
Justice in this case is impossible, outside a SCOTUS miracle, and in all likelihood this appeal is going nowhere.

And the frankly reality is, Chauvin's own reckless behavior makes it really, really hard to put up any defense of that man.
 

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Justice in this case is impossible, outside a SCOTUS miracle, and in all likelihood this appeal is going nowhere.

And the frankly reality is, Chauvin's own reckless behavior makes it really, really hard to put up any defense of that man.
TBC, I think he should be convicted. I just hate that a conviction came after threats by congresswoman, and don't think that's the right way to do things.
 

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TBC, I think he should be convicted. I just hate that a conviction came after threats by congresswoman, and don't think that's the right way to do things.
See, this I agree with.

Chauvin's actions would have likely lead to a conviction for at least manslaughter in any normal trial as it was; adding on the political angle and axe grinding turned what could have been a legitimate court case into a circus that may have resulted in juror intimidation due to how highly charged the political atmosphere was at the time.
 

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