Future War with (Red) China Hypotheticals/Theorycrafting

Aaron Fox

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Well this whole situation is getting less 'theoretical' everyday.


How long till they reactivate Midway?

Eh, I wouldn't put money on someone outright saying 'pacific fight' in their posts unless they're someone that is either DoD or similar position. Last I've heard, Midway was supported to get upgrades for years now...
 

Bacle

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Eh, I wouldn't put money on someone outright saying 'pacific fight' in their posts unless they're someone that is either DoD or similar position. Last I've heard, Midway was supported to get upgrades for years now...
Tyler is part of TheDrive.com, which is not exactly DoD, but pretty dependable on military matters.
 

Bacle

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Last I've checked, TheDrive isn't that dependable.
Let me put it this way, I see no reason to doubt the validity of that article, particularly when we are talking about sat imagery that is not easy to fake.
 

Aaron Fox

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Let me put it this way, I see no reason to doubt the validity of that article, particularly when we are talking about sat imagery that is not easy to fake.
Given that DeepFakes is a thing, that is no longer a reason to not doubt its validity.
 

Lord Sovereign

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Thing is, China tends to be the more hated country of the lot and that is after taking into account Japan condensing centuries of colonial horrors into a few scant decades.

Japan had a legendarily bad turn back in the 20th century, which it is very much over now, whilst China has been at this shit for about as long as it has existed. "All under heaven" or else.

Horrid thing is, the Japanese Empire didn't even start out that bad. Taisho era Japan has total moral superiority over modern China (actually, bugger it, Imperial China was a better country than what exists today), but something went awry for them in the 1930s. My knowledge of Japanese history there is a bit foggy.
 

Aaron Fox

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Horrid thing is, the Japanese Empire didn't even start out that bad. Taisho era Japan has total moral superiority over modern China (actually, bugger it, Imperial China was a better country than what exists today), but something went awry for them in the 1930s. My knowledge of Japanese history there is a bit foggy.
The odd thing is, from my readings into Imperial Japan, the overall situation is that one faction of the Japanese political structure (usually termed the Old Men, to give you an idea who these guys are they're the ones that force-march Japan into the industrial age and effectively rejected the British/French style of Empire for a more trade-centric empire model) losing the political fight against the chucklefucks we know and 'love' (usually termed the Imperialists or Imperial Faction,
If you want to claim it is fake, do so.

Otherwise stop saying the site I got it from, and me by extension, are posting deep fakes.
Here's the thing, I only said that DeepFakes is a thing and that the image in question is from a satellite is no longer a reason to not question its validity. Verify over all else.
Its real.
Can you verify that or is it classified information that you're giving vague generals on?
 

Zachowon

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The odd thing is, from my readings into Imperial Japan, the overall situation is that one faction of the Japanese political structure (usually termed the Old Men, to give you an idea who these guys are they're the ones that force-march Japan into the industrial age and effectively rejected the British/French style of Empire for a more trade-centric empire model) losing the political fight against the chucklefucks we know and 'love' (usually termed the Imperialists or Imperial Faction,

Here's the thing, I only said that DeepFakes is a thing and that the image in question is from a satellite is no longer a reason to not question its validity. Verify over all else.

Can you verify that or is it classified information that you're giving vague generals on?
From what I gather the expansion of there has been put for awhile.
 

Airedale260

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Was discussing this with a buddy yesterday, the real throwdown likely comes when India finally decides it’s had enough of Beijing’s shit. Given that W actually worked pretty hard to improve U.S.-India relations, I can see China severely miscalculating and landing itself in a shooting war while pushing too hard. I don’t, however, think it would go nuclear because doing so means it would bring in a response from NATO and possibly Russia, who may panic if they can’t be sure Beijing doesn’t decide to start trying to take them down at the same time.

Even a conventional war probably also drags in NATO, or at least a fair number of members. They may not deploy troops to the Pacific, but will screw over China’s interests in Europe. The U.S.’ allies in the Pacific also will join in, while the ones in the Middle East slap an embargo on China under U.S. pressure (Kuwait and Bahrain are both MNNAs, Saudi Arabia isn’t but they’re still close to us, and the other Gulf States won’t want to piss the U.S. off).

So China is now 1) in a shooting war it really can’t win in the end, 2) is watching its efforts of the past 40 years go up in smoke, and 3) is cut off from global financial markets because despite the aggravation between the U.S. and Europe, the latter is not going to go pissing off its most important ally in the midst of World War III.
 

Zachowon

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From what I've heard, Midway was supposed to get some upgrades for a while now but were put off...
When was this? Because I can tell you it varies depending in source, and it could be the decided to go with it.

I can check
 

Aaron Fox

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When was this? Because I can tell you it varies depending in source, and it could be the decided to go with it.

I can check
Well, I vaguely remember reading about it over a decade ago (upper limit might be ~18 years ago)... although I might be mistaken in that regard... something about new planes requiring new facilities or established facilities not being able to handle new planes...

... it's been ages since I've read the article...
 

Bacle

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Well, I vaguely remember reading about it over a decade ago (upper limit might be ~18 years ago)... although I might be mistaken in that regard... something about new planes requiring new facilities or established facilities not being able to handle new planes...

... it's been ages since I've read the article...
I think I saw the same one; I think it was in Air and Space magazine a long time ago.

But I thought it was just replacing the old tanks and landing instruments/radar?
 

Zachowon

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Well, I vaguely remember reading about it over a decade ago (upper limit might be ~18 years ago)... although I might be mistaken in that regard... something about new planes requiring new facilities or established facilities not being able to handle new planes...

... it's been ages since I've read the article...
I think I saw the same one; I think it was in Air and Space magazine a long time ago.

But I thought it was just replacing the old tanks and landing instruments/radar?
It was probrably redone and money came in so they could add to it.
 

Aaron Fox

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I think I saw the same one; I think it was in Air and Space magazine a long time ago.

But I thought it was just replacing the old tanks and landing instruments/radar?
That's where I think I read it... but as I said, that was ages ago...
It was probrably redone and money came in so they could add to it.
Sounds like the military when Congress kept screwing with their budget...
 

Zachowon

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That's where I think I read it... but as I said, that was ages ago...

Sounds like the military when Congress kept screwing with their budget...
It was probably out there just not a major thing.

We are always increasing our bases in the pacific. Humphreys is growing to be able to fit 80k in base.
 

Zachowon

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Give us a REAL reason to doubt its validity other than it's possible to fake it. It's not like saying the US has expanded a Pacific military base is such an outlandish claim that I feel the need to be super-skeptical about it.
We know they are thanks to the expansion of bases like Humpherys and the like.
 

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