what's the punishment for being late?
Death.
Whats the punishment for rebellion?
Death.
Sir we are late.
Former caterer gets delusional, declares war on Russia
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what's the punishment for being late?
Death.
Whats the punishment for rebellion?
Death.
Sir we are late.
We're talking an overt armed coup -- those have always been win or die, and Lusashenko's intervention in the matter made Putin look both stupid and weak. Reneging on the deal and having Prigozhin liquidated at the first possible opportunity was literally the only sensible response; I would fully expect significant punitive action against Lusashenko as well, potentially all the way up to revoking Belarusian independence.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
Everybody knew this except, oddly enough, Prigozhin himself by the looks of it.
Disagree on Lukashenko, he did Putin a solid when it seemed the Russian military / police forces were ready and willing to stand by and let the Wagners and Putin's personal guards slug it out.
Prigozhin should've implemented some sort of Scorched Earth policy in place after his untimely death. Like some.sort of massive data dump of Russian state secrets or something.
It's only been a day or so -- maybe something like that is in the works already, behind the scenes? Then again, I doubt it.
Zyobot
Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
Honestly, I think this begs the question as to why Prigozhin apparently hadn't thought this through?
For a cutthroat businessman who managed to rub shoulders with Putin and start a mercenary operation with presence and profitable ventures worldwide, he sure as hell fucked up towards the end. Really, swinging for the king's head is the worst possible time to have a critical oversight.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
When you swing at the king’s head you sure as shit don’t miss, let alone have second thoughts mid swing.
Zyobot
Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
Yes, but that doesn't answer the question as to why he suddenly had second thoughts.
Granted, I suppose failing to move his family out of Russia (so that they can't be taken hostage) explains why he stopped, but not why he hadn't moved them out of harm's way in the first place. As I've said, Prigozhin's been in this business long enough to know better, and the fact it might not have occurred to him until it was too late might as well have been him signing his own death warrant.
Well Prigozhins coup was never targeting Putin. He was targeting Shoigu and Gerasimov and hoping Putin would back him over those two. Prigozhin also seemed more then willing to attempt to conquer Moscow by force to convince Putin as well.
But Putin publicly backed Shoigu and Gerasimov because loyalty is more important in a Dictatorship then mild competency and so when Lukashenko offered Prigozhin an out he took it.
But Putin publicly backed Shoigu and Gerasimov because loyalty is more important in a Dictatorship then mild competency and so when Lukashenko offered Prigozhin an out he took it.
I can't shake the feeling the Prigozhin is playing dead. He knew Putin's MO. He knew Putin would try to kill him. If you are rich. and have resources to fake your own death to avoid getting whacked It would not be that hard to do. If Putin has body doubles...... Well you know.
Aaron Fox
Well-known member
Given that Putin is a former KGB agent and likely has the same fascination with various poisons and drugs as the KGB... he probably spiked the food with a specific drug from northern South America infamous as a puppeteer drug. One dose, and boom, you're a puppet for a few hours. It happens enough in the area that people check people for its use.
King Arts
Well-known member
Yes it always has been that way. But if prig stayed alive that might change. Putin killing him means future coups attempts won’t stop. If he was left alive Putins regime could point to him to convince future coups to surrender peacefully. Now they can’t do that except with anyone except fools.
Someone write a fanfic.Not even Aqua should suffer his presence.
It won't change, because letting someone live after a failed coup attempt is unforgivably stupid. Regardless of whether the coup was justified from an outside perspective, from the perspective of the government in place, all involved in a decision-making capacity have committed high treason and must be purged without mercy in order to maintain the fundamental authority of the government.
To allow any compromise with a coup is to concede that the government has no rightful standing.
King Arts
Well-known member
It’s not necessarily stupid because very few people care about “muh fundamental authority of government” if they have power they will try to be the new government as long as a rebellion does not cause too much damage then compromise might work. Again do you think a future prig won’t exist Russia will never face a coup? What lesson will future prig learn from what happened, that if he starts a coup he has to see it to the end. Now what if prig got to live to a ripe old age. What lesson would future prig learn in that case? As long as he does not go to far he would be able to surrender and survive which would be better for the government than a disastrous civil war that cripples it.
It is historically well-proven that the "win or die" rule is not just the most effective way to suppress coups, but the only effective way. That's why even extremely "soft" government systems like the United States maintain the death penalty for treason.
The answer is that under the historically proven "win or die" rule, coups are extremely rare because "win or die" means no one tries a coup unless they are either absolutely confident of victory or so desperate they figure they're dead already.
Under your "compromise" rule, coups become catastrophically commonplace because every remotely powerful warlord will launch coups at the drop of a hat as a standard political power move, only to be undermined by rivals and subordinates launching their own coups and counter-coups. . . it quickly becomes coups all the way down, and the situation spirals into total anarchy until someone with a ruthlessly sensible belief in "win or die" actually wins and kills off all these damn rivals.