Fallout Fallout General Thread - War, War Never Changes. Nor do game engines.

[ThatZenoGuy]

FO3, 4, NV and 76 all add respective elements.
For instance you can ask @Battlegrinder his favorite FO, and it may differ from others.
I like 4 because of the settlement building aspect and the way power armor is done.
The older ones I do like ideas of it, and the more Turn based stuff is nice, but the FPS aspect makes up for it.
Add in the fact you have a massive modding community that can make the old games into FPS.
We have decent mod such as The Frontier for NV, you have New California for NV.
4 has America Rising 2, Sim Settlements 2, FO4 NV, FO4 CW, hell, there is even talk if making 1 and 2 into 4 or NV.

I'm not saying you can't enjoy 3/4/76 (okay maybe 76 is pushing it), but they aren't 'really' fallout games.
You can't just make an FPS and title it "Halo 6" when it has nothing to do with Halo, and so on.
Also did you just call The Frontier a 'decent mod'? Kek.

 

[S'task]

If you showed a person in the early 2000's a picture of Fallout 4, they wouldn't be able to identify it as a Fallout game unless something incredibly obvious was in frame like a vault door or vault boy.

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OK and? If you showed people a screenshot of FO1/2 that lacked the distinct interface they wouldn't really be able to identify it as Fallout either? It's main graphics were generic isometric RPG. Those were stupid common in the late 90s/early 00s. Arcanum, Fallout, Baulder's Gate, Icewind Dale, and many others shared a general aesthetic that was quite common with the biggest disguising feature being the surrounding interface.

Likewise if you showed someone from 2000 a shot of Baulder's Gate 3 they wouldn't be able to identify it as a Baulder's Gate game, the graphics and interface are radically different, even though BG3 is much more similar to BG1&2 than FO3 is to FO2. Designs have just changed that much over the decades...

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

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OK and? If you showed people a screenshot of FO1/2 that lacked the distinct interface they wouldn't really be able to identify it as Fallout either? It's main graphics were generic isometric RPG. Those were stupid common in the late 90s/early 00s. Arcanum, Fallout, Baulder's Gate, Icewind Dale, and many others shared a general aesthetic that was quite common with the biggest disguising feature being the surrounding interface.

Likewise if you showed someone from 2000 a shot of Baulder's Gate 3 they wouldn't be able to identify it as a Baulder's Gate game, the graphics and interface are radically different, even though BG3 is much more similar to BG1&2 than FO3 is to FO2. Designs have just changed that much over the decades...

I don't agree with this, FO1-2 has pretty unique spritework and anyone who has played the games would identify it as Fallout even if they've had a couple years of not playing it.

 

[Zachowon]

I'm not saying you can't enjoy 3/4/76 (okay maybe 76 is pushing it), but they aren't 'really' fallout games.
You can't just make an FPS and title it "Halo 6" when it has nothing to do with Halo, and so on.
Also did you just call The Frontier a 'decent mod'? Kek.

To me, FO3 is what made FO Iconic. I actually feel like the asthetic of FO3, and 4 are better then that of 1 and 2.

And as fir The Frontier.
It's writing isn't the best, but it has appernerlt improved a good amount.
And don't act like NV was the pinnacle of writing either.
New California is a good mod, have you looked at it for NV?
Plus the aspect of 4 seems to make modding jt slightly easier.
Again. AMERICA rising 2, Sim Settlements 2, and the future FO4 NV, and FO4 CW, with potentially 1 and 2 being put in either 4 or NV is a big deal.

I don't agree with this, FO1-2 has pretty unique spritework and anyone who has played the games would identify it as Fallout even if they've had a couple years of not playing it.

My wife who has played the newer ones and seen me play them, could not tell me what game that scene is from. I told her and she didn't believe me...

 

[Husky_Khan]

To me, FO3 is what made FO Iconic. I actually feel like the asthetic of FO3, and 4 are better then that of 1 and 2.

And as fir The Frontier.
It's writing isn't the best, but it has appernerlt improved a good amount.
And don't act like NV was the pinnacle of writing either.
New California is a good mod, have you looked at it for NV?
Plus the aspect of 4 seems to make modding jt slightly easier.
Again. AMERICA rising 2, Sim Settlements 2, and the future FO4 NV, and FO4 CW, with potentially 1 and 2 being put in either 4 or NV is a big deal.

My wife who has played the newer ones and seen me play them, could not tell me what game that scene is from. I told her and she didn't believe me...

I haven't played the Frontier but I saw a looooong video and analysis of it which seemed to give that version of The Frontier a pretty fair shake, all degeneracy aside.



It's far from perfect but for a mod with such a... troubled history... heh... it apparently wasn't horribad after the improvements made well after its degenerate release.

 

[Battlegrinder]

SyntheticMan

Based on his video on God of War, Synth doesn't have the brains to pour water out of boot with the instructions on the heel, let alone do serious media criticism. My initial impression that he is in fact the sort of alt-right idiot that I'd previous assumed was purely a bogeyman the left had invented, and given his first actual point of criticism of the trailer was that the protagonist is female and not anything about the actual series, that impression has not changed.


More broadly, the "only stuff from the first two games is really fallout, the rest of it is just junk that misses the point" is never something I've found compelling, in large part because it combines 1 and 2. I can see arguments that the OG fallout was the true tone-setter, and that later games split from that in error (I don't agree, but I can see why someone would make it). The problem is the first game to do that was fallout 2.

The core story of fallout was the master's plot to "save mankind" by creating super mutants that were better suited to survive the harshness of the wasteland, and that plan had a pragmatic and coldhearted logic to it. Hence why you can't talk him down by saying it's wrong, only that it won't work.

The core story of 2 is the enclave being stupid cartoon supervillains that want to kill everyone else in the entire world because the enclave decided they're the only real humans left, an ideology they adopted based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever and in spite of the fact it would make their attempts to rebuild postwar substantially harder. Fallout lost the plot and started doing nonsensical crap from the first sequel, and it wasn't until 3, warts and all, that the main series got a plot involving the enclave that wasn't retarded (save for all the worst aspects of 3's plot, all of which were direct carryovers from 2).

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Based on his video on God of War, Synth doesn't have the brains to pour water out of boot with the instructions on the heel, let alone do serious media criticism. My initial impression that he is in fact the sort of alt-right idiot that I'd previous assumed was purely a bogeyman the left had invented, and given his first actual point of criticism of the trailer was that the protagonist is female and not anything about the actual series, that impression has not changed.


More broadly, the "only stuff from the first two games is really fallout, the rest of it is just junk that misses the point" is never something I've found compelling, in large part because it combines 1 and 2. I can see arguments that the OG fallout was the true tone-setter, and that later games split from that in error (I don't agree, but I can see why someone would make it). The problem is the first game to do that was fallout 2.

The core story of fallout was the master's plot to "save mankind" by creating super mutants that were better suited to survive the harshness of the wasteland, and that plan had a pragmatic and coldhearted logic to it. Hence why you can't talk him down by saying it's wrong, only that it won't work.

The core story of 2 is the enclave being stupid cartoon supervillains that want to kill everyone else in the entire world because the enclave decided they're the only real humans left, an ideology they adopted based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever and in spite of the fact it would make their attempts to rebuild postwar substantially harder. Fallout lost the plot and started doing nonsensical crap from the first sequel, and it wasn't until 3, warts and all, that the main series got a plot involving the enclave that wasn't retarded (save for all the worst aspects of 3's plot, all of which were direct carryovers from 2).

Fallout 3's Enclave plot is nonsensical though, they're led by a computer which none of them actually listen to anyways, and the second in command just wants to give people free water and somehow that's a bad thing.

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

Fallout 3's Enclave plot is nonsensical though, they're led by a computer which none of them actually listen to anyways, and the second in command just wants to give people free water and somehow that's a bad thing.

Actually the bad thing is that he wants to use Purity to create his own hydraulic empire, though in retrospect I am pretty sure the BOS turned into that anyways... so all you do is just buy a few good years.

 

[Battlegrinder]

Fallout 3's Enclave plot is nonsensical though, they're led by a computer which none of them actually listen to anyways, and the second in command just wants to give people free water and somehow that's a bad thing.

I didn't say it was perfect, I said it wasn't completely stupid. Also, Autumn did not want to just give people free water, he wanted to use the water as leverage to seize control of DC, and given the Enclave was, at best, a bunch of repressive authoritarians, that is still bad even if he wasn't onboard with the genocidal plan Eden had.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Actually the bad thing is that he wants to use Purity to create his own hydraulic empire, though in retrospect I am pretty sure the BOS turned into that anyways... so all you do is just buy a few good years.

He weirdly sees people of the wasteland as the American people, which is quite uncharacteristic of Enclave people. He might've actually been better than the BoS lmao.

I didn't say it was perfect, I said it wasn't completely stupid. Also, Autumn did not want to just give people free water, he wanted to use the water as leverage to seize control of DC, and given the Enclave was, at best, a bunch of repressive authoritarians, that is still bad even if he wasn't onboard with the genocidal plan Eden had.

BoS are also kinda evil, or at least giant dicks. I still love how the first BoS quest in the franchise is basically designed to kill the player.

 

[Battlegrinder]

BoS are also kinda evil, or at least giant dicks. I still love how the first BoS quest in the franchise is basically designed to kill the player.

Depends on the Chapter, Lyon's chapter wasn't, and the Outcasts were (for the most part) just cold and standoffish. And even in 4 they're not exactly bad, just more self interested and shallowly written (which is a consistent flaw with 4).

 

[Hlaalu Agent]

He weirdly sees people of the wasteland as the American people, which is quite uncharacteristic of Enclave people. He might've actually been better than the BoS lmao.

It seems like the Enclave's problem is more their elite caste than anything else. You know the *actual* Enclave and not the hired help they brought with them. I wouldn't also be suprised if not all of the actual Enclave were 100% on board with gassing everyone to death. I woudn't be surprised if the reason is that Autumn and Autumn the Elder were actually loyal opposition on the issue.

BoS are also kinda evil, or at least giant dicks. I still love how the first BoS quest in the franchise is basically designed to kill the player.

Given what happened in Tactics, and then in the Bethesda era, it makes you wonder if the BoS were purging their own internal dissenters by sending them off to get killed or to fuck off somewhere else?

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Depends on the Chapter, Lyon's chapter wasn't, and the Outcasts were (for the most part) just cold and standoffish. And even in 4 they're not exactly bad, just more self interested and shallowly written (which is a consistent flaw with 4).

FO4 BoS wants to kill all Gen3 synths (which are identical to humans) which basically means they're in for genocide, even if it's misguided.

 

[Zachowon]

FO4 BoS wants to kill all Gen3 synths (which are identical to humans) which basically means they're in for genocide, even if it's misguided.

Do you not remeber what the Institute planned woth said Gen 3 synths?
Institute is literally the bad guys, woth the BoS only being slightly better.
If it wasn't for the horrid a settlement needs your help, the Minutemen are the literal best option

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Do you not remeber what the Institute planned woth said Gen 3 synths?
Institute is literally the bad guys, woth the BoS only being slightly better.
If it wasn't for the horrid a settlement needs your help, the Minutemen are the literal best option

Whatever they planned with Gen3 is irrelevant, they're just people with chips in their brains. Danse is a good person and he's a Synth.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Fallout somewhat reminds me of the Legend of Zelda in how the very first games were quite different to what came after. To my mind both franchises didn’t achieve apotheosis until they’d been around for a while.

And Synthetic man is a nuisance. Often he makes excellent points (God of War: Ragnarok is littered with lefty silliness and a lot of problems in its story), but then he goes full schizo and harms those points. Apparently he’s “playing to his audience” but I’m not so sure.

 

[Zachowon]

Whatever they planned with Gen3 is irrelevant, they're just people with chips in their brains. Danse is a good person and he's a Synth.

Phase 3, not Gen 3.
Amd can Synths reproduce?
No.
They literally would have led to genocide of nit just the commonwealth.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Phase 3, not Gen 3.
Amd can Synths reproduce?
No.
They literally would have led to genocide of nit just the commonwealth.

Synths are anatomically identical to humans, even to the point where their DNA is not out of the ordinary for a human. (yet somehow they don't age, or get disease, or get affected by radiation, and they don't need to eat)

Generation 3 synth

Third generation synths, or gen 3 synths, are the apex of the Institute's research into creating a race of servants necessary to maintain their subterranean habitat. The most advanced synthetics created by the Institute are fundamentally different from their predecessors, the result of nearly...

fallout.fandom.com

Also where'd you get 'phase' 3?

 

[Zachowon]

Synths are anatomically identical to humans, even to the point where their DNA is not out of the ordinary for a human. (yet somehow they don't age, or get disease, or get affected by radiation, and they don't need to eat)

Generation 3 synth

Third generation synths, or gen 3 synths, are the apex of the Institute's research into creating a race of servants necessary to maintain their subterranean habitat. The most advanced synthetics created by the Institute are fundamentally different from their predecessors, the result of nearly...

fallout.fandom.com

Also where'd you get 'phase' 3?

Phase 3 gets rid of any power issues they have allowing fir mass transportation of synths.
We need to remember that thr Institute is willing to murder entire settlements to get a rogue synth back.
And....maybe they can be made to.reproduce, but why would the slaves be allowed to reproduce?

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Phase 3 gets rid of any power issues they have allowing fir mass transportation of synths.

They're referred to as 'generations' ingame however?

We need to remember that thr Institute is willing to murder entire settlements to get a rogue synth back.

Of course, but that doesn't exactly mean killing every synth, good or not, is a good idea. They're not inherently evil, they're just people.

And....maybe they can be made to.reproduce, but why would the slaves be allowed to reproduce?

The issue of synth reproduction is never raised, but seeing as they're identical to people they should be capable of it. 'Why' can be answered with 'The institute are retarded'.
If their uhhh...Baby batter was abnormal in any way, you could detect a synth via it.