Quest Deep Periphery Quest (Battletech Sandbox Empire Builder)

Jarow

Well-known member
[X] Provide emergency aid

Minor cost for more money next year and a chance at an annexation? Even if one world is near-depopulated, the other sounds fine, and every little bit helps. And it'll help the organization of our Empire around the giant hole Kilborrough leaves

Seems the Kraken is the anti-Eagle (which Urist loved so hard we still get fighter wings without rolling for them)
 
Turn 85 - All That Is, Was And Will Be

LordSunhawk

Das BOOT (literally)
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Turn 85 - All That Is, Was And Will Be

You receive reports from your observation teams in the Nya Kopenhamn system. Both planets have erupted in outright civil wars, with the current lunatic governments desperately clinging to power against massive, well organized insurrections that your people have absolutely nothing to do with. Honest, that’s your story and you are sticking to it.

Your forces, however, have been waiting for this opportunity and a number of assault dropships are used to intercept attempts at using WMDs against the rebels. Your forces have orders to avoid anything that could be interpreted as offensive action, purely acting to prevent blatant atrocities.

By all reports the fighting is fierce on both planets, but the issue is still very much in doubt. You do have a pair of Light Brigade Combat Teams on standby in the system, along with a pair of Infantry Divisions. That should be more than enough force to handle both remnant government forces and any overly enthusiastic insurgents.

The relief efforts at GX-J24 are underway. The hunter-gatherers on the completely failed colony world have no real name for the place, they are in such poor condition that you are mildly impressed that there were any survivors at all. Another few months and there likely wouldn’t have been. The very low tech colony is relatively self-sustaining at their Victorian level of technology and are a very Bengali society, calling the system simply Bāṛi, or ‘Home’ in the Bengali language. It’s as good a name as any, you guess.

They aren’t all that bothered either way in regards to the Empire, their own government is pretty much non-existent above the village level. Having completely lost all technology, mostly due to a serious Luddite movement shortly after the initial establishment of the colony itself, followed by a period of massive civil wars which the Luddites technically ‘won’, before accidentally wiping themselves out by going too far into primitivism and dying out to a flu epidemic of all things.

The negotiations with the Space Bourbons are heating up again, with your Foreign Minister reporting that they are threatening to end talks unless they are ‘shown sufficient respect’. What this means is vague, after all they sent an Admiral to do their negotiating and you sent your Foreign Minister. Evidently you are not being sufficiently deferential and showing suitable awe at their ‘power’.

Thanh recommends countering with sending a large naval squadron centered around HMS Morristown carrying several of the new Heavy Brigade Combat Teams to… demonstrate how seriously you are taking them. Have the Warships remain at a discrete distance, land the three Heavy Brigade Combat Teams that you have available, and have them parade past the hotel where the negotiations are taking place on the anniversary of your coronation. If they complain, have the Foreign Minister advise the Space Bourbons that this is merely a celebratory parade meant to honor the anniversary and inquire as to why they haven’t brought along suitable gifts for the occasion.

Leila isn’t completely sold on the proposition, but doesn’t think it’ll hurt all that much to try. The Bourbon negotiators don’t seem to take her very seriously, as far as she can tell because she has boobs rather than balls. Having the heavy and assault mechs and tanks of a few Heavy Brigade Combat Teams march past might well convince them to take her seriously, but there is a risk that they’ll decide to up the aggression level instead.

Considering that your granddaughter and heir is now a Company Commander in the 1st Heavy Brigade Combat Team that might send a stronger message of… intolerance for their rather sexist behavior. Erin is incredibly enthusiastic about that, although the Sergeant who runs the attached squad of battle armor troops and who is part of the formidable Ngo clan seems more than capable of keeping her from excessive enthusiasm in the field.

Alternatively you can simply hold the course, allowing the Bourbons to, in even such a small way, dictate your reactions is, well, reactive rather than proactive, and you have no intention of rewarding their intransigence. Continue ordinary troop rotations and in general treat the delegation with precisely the level of respect it deserves.

[]ActionFailure ChanceOn SuccessOn Failure
[]Send in the NavyMedium
  • +1 to Friendly Diplomatic Counter
  • Makes future actions easier
  • -1 to Friendly Diplomatic Counter
  • Increases Bourbon bellicosity
[]Hold the CourseLow
  • +1 to Friendly Diplomatic Counter
  • +1 to Enemy Diplomatic Counter
  • +1 to Enemy Diplomatic Counter
  • Makes future actions more difficult

There’s some surprisingly good news from Okusawa. A coalition of community leaders who’d previously been rather hostile towards the occupation, while not quite veering into the sorts of activities that would have justified dealing with them harshly has publicly endorsed the Empire as having proven itself to be a ‘worthy’ government. This prompts a flurry of attempted assassinations by the ISF fanatics, but the sheer amateur hour levels of incompetence shown in those attempts is a strong indicator of just how weak the ISF has become. There is hope on the horizon for a resolution to the insurgency on the planet.

Out of a bit of morbid curiosity you check and determine that neither of the not-so-dynamic and really-not-intrepid duo of inadvertent Special Branch catspaws has been involved in any of this, so you guess you’ll get to look forward to more reports of those shenanigans.

For some reason there has been a massive surge in emigration to New Capricorn, the reasons are a bit confusing but apparently there is a massive fad involving bathing in the mud pools present on one of the continents there having ‘significant benefits for youthfulness and beauty’. The cosmetics industry on the planet is absolutely exploding as a consequence, so people are moving there in droves to find work in the industry. You yourself don’t see the point, but both your wife, your surviving daughters, and your sisters are all buying tins of the stuff and smearing it all over their faces. You are told that it is impossible for you to understand because you are a man, which you find just a little insulting but, since you don’t understand, likely true.
 

Yacovo

Occasionally spouting nonsense
[X] Send in the Navy

Medium seems like a decent chance. Not like we are bluffing when we could fight a border war with the limited shared borders means we can bring our numbers and superior tech to the fore.
 

Val the Moofia Boss

Well-known member
[X] Hold the Course

Let's sit tight and let them bark. If the war starts, let it be unambiguously the Burbons who took aggressive action. Rather than "the Griffons sent in their fleets to enact gunboat diplomacy", the history books will say "the Burbons shot first and we sent reinforcements to protect our people", and we will have the computer and sensor records to prove it. Having such a reputation will aid us when we encounter other significant spacefaring powers in the future, especially if the story gets around via interstellar traders.
 

Levant

Active member
Let's sit tight and let them bark. If the war starts, let it be unambiguously the Burbons who took aggressive action.
Actually what fleet assets do we have in system, because in all honesty part of my reasoning for sending in the navy is to increase the assets already there, because clearly, the Burbons aren't interested in anything outside of us bending over backwards for them.
 

Jarow

Well-known member
[X] Send in the Navy

In all honesty, I'm voting for this more for the ground forces than the naval ones. (Well, that and it seems the mechanically superior choice - worst case, we have extra forces prepared to defend the world after negotiations collapse)
 

darkcloudt2

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[X] Send in the Navy

I am starting to get annoyed with these idiots, if the Navy and Mechs don’t wake them up then I don’t see how we will get past this without a war because I will vote against giving them any concessions.
 
Turn 85 - Time And Space, Never Ending

LordSunhawk

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Turn 85 - Time And Space, Never Ending

The arrival of the naval and ground forces in the New Port Royal system resulted in outraged squawks from the Bourbons, chest pounding and declarations that they would not be intimidated by such crude shows of force… and quite notably absolutely no hostile actions by their forces. The parade of the Heavy Brigade Combat Team through the system capital right past the hotel where the talks are being held results in quite enthusiastic crowds, and Leila notes a marked increase in wine consumption by the other delegation.

They have pretty much conceded New Port Royal, but have dug their heels in even more stubbornly over Stahlfurt, evidently something so minor and petty as it being your ships which destroyed the Black Steel isn’t sufficient justification in their view for you to hold the system, with your insistence on this being declared to be an ‘insult to civilized beings throughout the galaxy!’ and other such grandiose proclamations.

On every other issue you’ve pretty much gotten your way, they’ve stopped even arguing about anything else, just Stahlfurt, Stahlfurt, Stahlfurt. Bring up an exchange of embassies? Stahlfurt. Bring up trade possibilities? Stahlfurt. Leila rather dryly points out that she’s sure that if she were to bring up splitting the bill for one of the grandiose dinners the Bourbon negotiators insist that their response would boil down to Stahlfurt.

“Ancestral lands sacred to us!”

“Why weren’t you there?”

“PROVE THAT WE WEREN’T!”

“Prove that you were.”

“Our word should be sufficient! We demand Stahlfurt!”

Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

She recommends simply holding firm on things, that for all of their bluster they don’t seem all that eager for a military confrontation. Reading her dispatches, her sense is that they are beating their chests and puffing themselves up, and that while they were a potent force, they likely couldn’t sustain anything and they know it.

A number of the larger Bourbon ships have left, leaving behind mostly cruiser and destroyer sized vessels which are even more eclectic than the ones which departed. Your codebreakers have picked up some references to the ‘damn Antonovs’ causing trouble, but without more context you don’t know what is up with that.

Parliament has apparently decided to be ‘helpful’ again, or at least they are trying to be helpful. Looking at things it appears that they actually might be onto something, but you don’t want to risk giving them swelled heads by actually being happy to see their legislation.

Both houses have collaborated on the Environmental Protection Promotion Act of 3015. You are initially a bit wary, but are pleasantly surprised by the contents. It effectively incentivizes companies to engage in ecologically sound practices rather than mandating them with heavy-handed regulations. Companies that make use of more sophisticated, yet expensive, materials and processes in order to safeguard the local environment will be able to apply for grants covering the differential between the older, cheaper yet more damaging materials and processes and the newer, more expensive yet less harmful ones. It is specifically noted that this is in lieu of mandating the newer materials, and that the older ones would still have to meet the current mandated levels of environmental protection in order to qualify for these grants.

The mechanism for disbursement of the grants and enforcement of the conditions for the same is remarkably straightforward, linking in to the current environmental regulations and agencies rather than creating new ones. The expenses of those agencies will go up slightly, but not nearly as much as creating whole new agencies to handle things. Likewise the transition is actually expected to, on the whole, benefit the economy and health of the various systems and citizens as the newer materials are in many cases safer to work with.

Arguments For
Arguments Against
The Empire has always promoted environmentally sound industrial policy, prioritizing the health and well-being of our citizens over pure profits. This has on the whole paid off handsomely for the Empire, resulting in sustainable industrial expansion across the Empire while preserving delicate ecosystems. Moreover the Empire has done so without heavy-handed regulation and mandates. The Environmental Protection Promotion Act of 3015 continues this tradition. The cost increases are marginal in comparison to the potential benefits.The Environmental Protection Promotion Act of 3015 is nothing more than a money grab by big business to offset the expenses of compliance with regulations. Yes, the Empire has always had a balanced and light-handed approach, but we have always relied on regulation, not bribes, to maintain the healthy balance between concern for the environment and concern for the economy. Changing that now sets a poor precedent, as industries will wait for government handouts before implementing emergent technologies rather than embracing them on their own.
Counterargument For
Counterargument Against
Unlike what is being claimed by opponents, there is ample precedent for subsidies to be paid to assist in regulatory compliance, dating back to the very first implementation of environmental regulations in the then Kingdom of Griffin’s Roost. Moreover, this legislation isn’t a ‘handout’, companies must first make the switch, before being allowed to apply for assistance, not with the whole cost, but with the cost difference.

Moreover, the legislation is open-ended, as technology and techniques continue to improve, the grants will still be there to encourage early adoption by lowering the financial risks associated with doing so. It doesn’t eliminate them, it doesn’t unfairly compensate some companies versus others, it is available to all, from the smallest one person business to the largest multi-system enterprise. Trying to claim a false shroud of opposition to ‘big business’ in this case is disingenuous at best.
The previous subsidies were one time payments meant to ease the initial implementation of regulations that had never before existed. Not at all comparable to this proposed program which will be an endless drain on the Empire’s finances.

While in theory any business can apply, we all know that this was written by the big companies, for the benefit of the big companies. Only they will have the economies of scale needed to truly profit off of such transitions and by creating these subsidies we will be telling entrepreneurs to not bother, that having a small, agile firm able to quickly adapt won’t help, because big daddy government will protect the big companies from the consequences of failing to continually update their processes. We should not be providing any support whatsoever to the big corporations, and this is a step too far in that direction.

[]ActionEffects
[]Support the Environmental Protection Promotion Act of 3015
  • Increases the upkeep for environmental regulations by $1,000,000 per system per turn
  • All systems
    • +10 POP Limit
  • Core Worlds
    • Increase POP growth by 1% per turn
    • Offset 1 degree of failure on Econ and Health rolls
  • Peripheral Worlds
    • Increase POP growth by 10% per turn
    • Offset 1 degree of failure on Econ and Health rolls
  • +1 Approval Change
  • +1 Research Event
[]Oppose the Environmental Protection Promotion Act of 3015
  • +1 Politics
  • +1 Economic Event
  • -10 support Imperial Senate
  • -10 support Chamber of Delegates

For what it’s worth, the legislation does have the Eldest’s Lick Of Approval, so there’s that.
 

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