Winter_Wind45
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[X] Send in the Impeial Guard to crush the riots on Skala.
Quest Deep Periphery Quest (Battletech Sandbox Empire Builder)
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Kilvanya
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So what I’m hearing is magic dumb fuck juice made the situation worse and the investigation we wanted never happened.
This is like the Supreme Court ruling against a too big to fail company then everyone just deciding to loot all their stores, makes no fucking sense beyond either enemy action or authorial fiat to make rolls work.
This is like the Supreme Court ruling against a too big to fail company then everyone just deciding to loot all their stores, makes no fucking sense beyond either enemy action or authorial fiat to make rolls work.
Dude...it's not that far out. Anger has been simmering in Skala for a while. We (and I mean the Royal 'We') heard about it only because of assassination attempts on the Corporate personnel and bombings. Once you get to that point, I can easily see a lot of idiots joining in for 'their pound of flesh' once it seems like the other side has been neutered. It doesn't take a lot to lead to that, especially in a mob mentality.
It's the scale of events that leads me to believe that there is some sort of outside push effecting/coordinating it; it doesn't mean that it's NOT entirely home grown, but it's not as likely.
[X] Send in the Impeial Guard to crush the riots on Skala.
[X] Send in Special Branch to investigate the instigators and rabble rousers. The reaction feels a little over the top and looks like it may have been pushed.
The heck happened to the judicial investigations!? Wasn't there like a majority for it?
[X] Send in Special Branch to investigate the instigators and rabble rousers. The reaction feels a little over the top and looks like it may have been pushed.
The heck happened to the judicial investigations!? Wasn't there like a majority for it?
To my knowledge they already happened no evidence of tampering/illegality.
And may have been pre-empted by events.
Per the update, the actual artisans on Skala are only peripherally involved in the riots. It sounds like it's basically various violent ideological fringe types jumping in and taking advantage of the unstable situation.
ShadowArxxy - I'm Certainly Not Fanning The Flames Because I'm Right, Right?
Omake: I'm Certainly Not Fanning the Flames Because I'm Right, Right?
Not too surprisingly, the explosion of socialist and anarchist fanatics in the Skala system is a countless-ways free-for-all, with not only an "all of them" variety of positions but also a full spectrum of sincerity ranging from genuinely-raving ideologues to simple opportunists.
Arguably the most dangerous of the lot are those who are nearly sensible. There's a rapidly growing niche of grassroots leaders who are unambiguously condemning the "unfortunate excess" of violence, but at the same time insisting that harsh punitive measures are justified because of the way the corporation was attacking the fundamental civil rights of the people of Skala. They're portraying the company's actions as an unambiguously malicious attempt to misuse Imperial anti-corruption measures to strip the people of Skala of their very right to democratic self-government and representation, and hold that up as an example of why corporations can never be trusted and why the government should double down on anti-corporate measures.
Specifically, there's growing calls for local systems to be allowed much greater autonomy, but within a framework that explicitly denies local citizenship to "corporate immigrants", citing a surprisingly broad array of historical precedents from pre-space Europe and the United States in support of restricting citizenship and voting rights based on local plebiscites. Taken in context of the current situation, they're not remotely as high-minded as they're making themselves sound, but they're sounding just reasonable enough to garner truly dangerous amounts of support.
((Basically, they want a Swiss-style system where the majority of local residents can effectively vote people off the island in the name of "cultural assimilation" and "maintaining traditional values". And while that can be argued for as a point of principle, they're very clearly doing it to double down on the current mess.))
Not too surprisingly, the explosion of socialist and anarchist fanatics in the Skala system is a countless-ways free-for-all, with not only an "all of them" variety of positions but also a full spectrum of sincerity ranging from genuinely-raving ideologues to simple opportunists.
Arguably the most dangerous of the lot are those who are nearly sensible. There's a rapidly growing niche of grassroots leaders who are unambiguously condemning the "unfortunate excess" of violence, but at the same time insisting that harsh punitive measures are justified because of the way the corporation was attacking the fundamental civil rights of the people of Skala. They're portraying the company's actions as an unambiguously malicious attempt to misuse Imperial anti-corruption measures to strip the people of Skala of their very right to democratic self-government and representation, and hold that up as an example of why corporations can never be trusted and why the government should double down on anti-corporate measures.
Specifically, there's growing calls for local systems to be allowed much greater autonomy, but within a framework that explicitly denies local citizenship to "corporate immigrants", citing a surprisingly broad array of historical precedents from pre-space Europe and the United States in support of restricting citizenship and voting rights based on local plebiscites. Taken in context of the current situation, they're not remotely as high-minded as they're making themselves sound, but they're sounding just reasonable enough to garner truly dangerous amounts of support.
((Basically, they want a Swiss-style system where the majority of local residents can effectively vote people off the island in the name of "cultural assimilation" and "maintaining traditional values". And while that can be argued for as a point of principle, they're very clearly doing it to double down on the current mess.))
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Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
[X] Send in only MP units to reinforce law enforcement assets. Anything more seems gross overkill
mmgaballah
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[X] Send in the Impeial Guard to crush the riots on Skala.
I have no trouble with the idea National Guard being sent in to a region where rioting is going on and being given an order to, 'fix bayonets.'
Val the Moofia Boss
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We have most certainly not opposed corporations at every time. The royal family has partnered and endorsed specific corporations numerous times, and allowed corporations to submit their own designs for military contracts. The media is grossly exaggerating and someone has an agenda to push.
In the mean time, we shall not have people being stoned to death simply because they choose to support their family by working for... a corporation.
[X] Send in the Impeial Guard to crush the riots on Skala.
[X] Send in Special Branch to investigate the instigators and rabble rousers. The reaction feels a little over the top and looks like it may have been pushed.
In the mean time, we shall not have people being stoned to death simply because they choose to support their family by working for... a corporation.
[X] Send in the Impeial Guard to crush the riots on Skala.
[X] Send in Special Branch to investigate the instigators and rabble rousers. The reaction feels a little over the top and looks like it may have been pushed.
Jarow
Well-known member
[X] Send in the Imperial Guard to crush the riots on Skala.
This hurts, but not as much as the other option. Not much choice here mechanically.
[X] Plan: Riot Survival
-[X] Procurement [$ 1,980,384,816.87 ]
--[X] Lay Down Major Unit [Construction - $230,020,805.00 ] (95)
---[X] 100 Bainbridge [95]
---[X] 35 Long Becach [95]
---[X] 46 Aetna [95]
---[X] 23 Meteor [95]
---[X] 2 Canopus [95]
--[X] Lay down Jumpship [Jumpship Construction - $6,524,018.97 ] (85)
---[X] 7 Windjammer [85]
--[X] Lay down Warship [Warship Construction - $700,826,742.00 ] (85)
---[X] 10 Dido*
---[X] 2 Vestal*
---[X] 10 Prinz Eugen*
---[X] 10 Prinz Eugen*
---[X] 20 Fubuki [85]
---[X] 30 Lyr [85]
---[X] 26 Dido [85]
---[X] 10 Prinz Eugen [85]
--[X] Purchase New Units [Minor Unit - $ 28,095,685.20 ] (90)
---[X] 0 Fighter Wing [auto]
---[X] 30 Heavy Fighter Wing [90]
---[X] 30 Heavy Carrier Wing [90]
---[X] 30 Medium Fighter Wing [90]
---[X] 30 Garrison Regiments [90]
--[X] Increase Militia Rating of System [$ 14,917,565.70 ] (95)
---[X] 30 Militia Regiments [95]
--[X] SLEP [$ 1,000,000,000 ] (100)
---[X] SLEP all Mech Units* [->2]
---[X] SLEP all Conventional Units* [->2]
-[X] General [$ 85,171,708,188.00 ]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Raj Zenith* [->2]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Grand View Zenith* [->1]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Iskra Zenith* [->1]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Kuroisora Nadir* [->1]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Olej Zenith* [90]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Pinball Zenith* [90]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Kainga Nadir* [90]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Bari Nadir* [90]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Nya Kopenhamn Nadir* [90]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Feurstem Zenith [->3]
(We still need to complete our recharge network)
--[X] Construct Black Tower Griffon [90]
--[X] Construct Black Tower Calliope [90]
--[X] Construct Black Tower New Capricorn [90]
--[X] Construct Black Tower Nowy Slask [90]
--[X] Construct Black Tower Nowa Warzsawa [90]
(Better defenses for our core worlds)
--[X] Colonize Nox [75]
--[X] Establish Legal System - Nox [75]
--[X] Establish System Government - Nox [75]
(New colony!)
--[X] Public Relations Campaign [90]
(With -30 approval (ouch), we're going to need stuff like this)
--[X] Construct Conventional Military Factory (95)
---[X] 1 Nowy Wroclaw [95]
---[X] 5 New Phoenix [95]
---[X] 5 New Pollux [95]
---[X] 5 New Castor [95]
---[X] 5 Edelsteine [95]
(Not entirely sure what these are needed for, but if they're asking should probably get them)
--[X] Focus Development on Core World Calliope [80]
--[X] Focus Development on Peripheral World Chuma [80]
--[X] Massive Peripheral Investment Kaiyo [75]
--[X] Massive Core Investment New Port Royal [75]
--[X] Economic Investment Okusawa [90]
(Money!)
--[X] Upgrade All DHS Factories [90]
--[X] Upgrade All Endosteel Forges [90]
--[X] Upgrade All Ferro Fibrous Forges [90]
(I can kind of see why we need more now, even if we're at a weird spot where it's hard to reach the next level but very solidly within this one)
--[X] Build Orbital Shipyard Pinball [105]
--[X] Build Orbital Shipyard Catachan [105]
(Need more dropships for expanding warship fleet)
--[X] Construct Escort Yard Chuma [90]
--[X] Construct Escort Yard Griff's Leap [90]
--[X] Construct Escort Yard New Castor [90]
--[X] Construct Escort Yard Nowy Slask [90]
--[X] Construct Escort Yard Nowy Wroclaw [90]
--[X] Construct Escort Yard Pieklo [90]
(We do need smaller ships alongside real ones)
--[X] Expand Orbital Shipyards [105]
--[X] Upgrade Refit & Repair Yard [105]
--[X] Build Light Warship Yard New Port Royal [85]
--[X] Build Light Warship Yard Edelsteine [85]
--[X] Build Light Warship Yard Nya Kopenhamn [85]
--[X] Build Light Warship Yard Kainga [85]
--[X] Build Light Warship Yard New Pollux [85]
--[X] Build Light Warship Yard New Phoenix [85]
--[X] Build Light Warship Yard Okusawa [85]
--[X] Build Medium Warship Yard New Capricorn [85]
--[X] Build Medium Warship Yard Nowa Warzsawa [85]
--[X] Build Medium Warship Yard Calliope [85]
--[X] Build Medium Warship Yard Griffon [85]
-[X] DoME [$ 25,000,000,000.00 ]
--[X] Terraform Catachan - Stage 0 [->4]
--[X] Colonize Olej* [75]
--[X] Terraform Calliope II - Stage III* [->5]
--[X] Terraform Feurstem - Stage 0 [->4]
--[X] Terraform Iskra - Stage 0 [->4]
--[X] Terraform Pinball - Stage 0 [->4]
--[X] Terraform Kaiyo - Stage 0* [->2]
--[X] Terraform Bohren - Stage 0* [->2]
--[X] Terraform Grand View - Stage 0* [->2]
--[X] Terraforming Bari - Stage 1* [->2]
--[X] Terraform Raj - Stage 0 [->4]
(Making planets more livable is a reasonable choice for DoME)
--[X] Planetary Optimization (Core) - New Port Royal [->1]
(Core upgrades are a reasonable choice given it's that or peripheral ones)
-[X] Research [$ 215,030,000,000.00 ]
--[X] Life Extension Therapy Lvl 5 [->1]
(we need the approval change to fix our approval, and can't really afford elder care)
--[X] Advanced Ground Combat Doctrine* [->6]
--[X] Improved Germanium Refining Lvl 3* [->6]
--[X] Terraforming Equipment Lvl 6* [95]
--[X] Advanced Short Range Missiles* [45]
--[X] Improved Ferro-Aluminium* [->1]
--[X] KF Drive Theory Tier 4* [->2]
--[X] Advanced Pulse Lasers* [55]
--[X] Commercial R&D [-]
--[X] Industrial R&D [-]
(We need the money savings from doing these instead of real research)
-[X] Miscellaneous [$ 175,100,100,000 ]
--[X] People Purchase [100,000,000]
--[X] Olympics [100,000]
--[X] Artisan Buyback [175,000,000,000.00]
$26b leftover
This hurts, but not as much as the other option. Not much choice here mechanically.
[X] Plan: Riot Survival
-[X] Procurement [$ 1,980,384,816.87 ]
--[X] Lay Down Major Unit [Construction - $230,020,805.00 ] (95)
---[X] 100 Bainbridge [95]
---[X] 35 Long Becach [95]
---[X] 46 Aetna [95]
---[X] 23 Meteor [95]
---[X] 2 Canopus [95]
--[X] Lay down Jumpship [Jumpship Construction - $6,524,018.97 ] (85)
---[X] 7 Windjammer [85]
--[X] Lay down Warship [Warship Construction - $700,826,742.00 ] (85)
---[X] 10 Dido*
---[X] 2 Vestal*
---[X] 10 Prinz Eugen*
---[X] 10 Prinz Eugen*
---[X] 20 Fubuki [85]
---[X] 30 Lyr [85]
---[X] 26 Dido [85]
---[X] 10 Prinz Eugen [85]
--[X] Purchase New Units [Minor Unit - $ 28,095,685.20 ] (90)
---[X] 0 Fighter Wing [auto]
---[X] 30 Heavy Fighter Wing [90]
---[X] 30 Heavy Carrier Wing [90]
---[X] 30 Medium Fighter Wing [90]
---[X] 30 Garrison Regiments [90]
--[X] Increase Militia Rating of System [$ 14,917,565.70 ] (95)
---[X] 30 Militia Regiments [95]
--[X] SLEP [$ 1,000,000,000 ] (100)
---[X] SLEP all Mech Units* [->2]
---[X] SLEP all Conventional Units* [->2]
-[X] General [$ 85,171,708,188.00 ]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Raj Zenith* [->2]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Grand View Zenith* [->1]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Iskra Zenith* [->1]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Kuroisora Nadir* [->1]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Olej Zenith* [90]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Pinball Zenith* [90]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Kainga Nadir* [90]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Bari Nadir* [90]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Nya Kopenhamn Nadir* [90]
--[X] Construct Oasis II Heavy Recharge Station Feurstem Zenith [->3]
(We still need to complete our recharge network)
--[X] Construct Black Tower Griffon [90]
--[X] Construct Black Tower Calliope [90]
--[X] Construct Black Tower New Capricorn [90]
--[X] Construct Black Tower Nowy Slask [90]
--[X] Construct Black Tower Nowa Warzsawa [90]
(Better defenses for our core worlds)
--[X] Colonize Nox [75]
--[X] Establish Legal System - Nox [75]
--[X] Establish System Government - Nox [75]
(New colony!)
--[X] Public Relations Campaign [90]
(With -30 approval (ouch), we're going to need stuff like this)
--[X] Construct Conventional Military Factory (95)
---[X] 1 Nowy Wroclaw [95]
---[X] 5 New Phoenix [95]
---[X] 5 New Pollux [95]
---[X] 5 New Castor [95]
---[X] 5 Edelsteine [95]
(Not entirely sure what these are needed for, but if they're asking should probably get them)
--[X] Focus Development on Core World Calliope [80]
--[X] Focus Development on Peripheral World Chuma [80]
--[X] Massive Peripheral Investment Kaiyo [75]
--[X] Massive Core Investment New Port Royal [75]
--[X] Economic Investment Okusawa [90]
(Money!)
--[X] Upgrade All DHS Factories [90]
--[X] Upgrade All Endosteel Forges [90]
--[X] Upgrade All Ferro Fibrous Forges [90]
(I can kind of see why we need more now, even if we're at a weird spot where it's hard to reach the next level but very solidly within this one)
--[X] Build Orbital Shipyard Pinball [105]
--[X] Build Orbital Shipyard Catachan [105]
(Need more dropships for expanding warship fleet)
--[X] Construct Escort Yard Chuma [90]
--[X] Construct Escort Yard Griff's Leap [90]
--[X] Construct Escort Yard New Castor [90]
--[X] Construct Escort Yard Nowy Slask [90]
--[X] Construct Escort Yard Nowy Wroclaw [90]
--[X] Construct Escort Yard Pieklo [90]
(We do need smaller ships alongside real ones)
--[X] Expand Orbital Shipyards [105]
--[X] Upgrade Refit & Repair Yard [105]
--[X] Build Light Warship Yard New Port Royal [85]
--[X] Build Light Warship Yard Edelsteine [85]
--[X] Build Light Warship Yard Nya Kopenhamn [85]
--[X] Build Light Warship Yard Kainga [85]
--[X] Build Light Warship Yard New Pollux [85]
--[X] Build Light Warship Yard New Phoenix [85]
--[X] Build Light Warship Yard Okusawa [85]
--[X] Build Medium Warship Yard New Capricorn [85]
--[X] Build Medium Warship Yard Nowa Warzsawa [85]
--[X] Build Medium Warship Yard Calliope [85]
--[X] Build Medium Warship Yard Griffon [85]
-[X] DoME [$ 25,000,000,000.00 ]
--[X] Terraform Catachan - Stage 0 [->4]
--[X] Colonize Olej* [75]
--[X] Terraform Calliope II - Stage III* [->5]
--[X] Terraform Feurstem - Stage 0 [->4]
--[X] Terraform Iskra - Stage 0 [->4]
--[X] Terraform Pinball - Stage 0 [->4]
--[X] Terraform Kaiyo - Stage 0* [->2]
--[X] Terraform Bohren - Stage 0* [->2]
--[X] Terraform Grand View - Stage 0* [->2]
--[X] Terraforming Bari - Stage 1* [->2]
--[X] Terraform Raj - Stage 0 [->4]
(Making planets more livable is a reasonable choice for DoME)
--[X] Planetary Optimization (Core) - New Port Royal [->1]
(Core upgrades are a reasonable choice given it's that or peripheral ones)
-[X] Research [$ 215,030,000,000.00 ]
--[X] Life Extension Therapy Lvl 5 [->1]
(we need the approval change to fix our approval, and can't really afford elder care)
--[X] Advanced Ground Combat Doctrine* [->6]
--[X] Improved Germanium Refining Lvl 3* [->6]
--[X] Terraforming Equipment Lvl 6* [95]
--[X] Advanced Short Range Missiles* [45]
--[X] Improved Ferro-Aluminium* [->1]
--[X] KF Drive Theory Tier 4* [->2]
--[X] Advanced Pulse Lasers* [55]
--[X] Commercial R&D [-]
--[X] Industrial R&D [-]
(We need the money savings from doing these instead of real research)
-[X] Miscellaneous [$ 175,100,100,000 ]
--[X] People Purchase [100,000,000]
--[X] Olympics [100,000]
--[X] Artisan Buyback [175,000,000,000.00]
$26b leftover
Winter_Wind45
Well-known member
[X] Plan: Riot Survival
Thors_Alumni
Well-known member
[X] Plan: Riot Survival
Yup...that Skala stupidity hurts.
[X] Plan: Riot Survival
[X] Plan: Riot Survival