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ShadowArxxy

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While there are definite mitigating circumstances (being locked into critical long-term contracts), the bottom line here is that outside of both sides getting their backs up and staking out the most extreme possible positions as attacks on each other, the union's position is more reasonable and the company were the ones who broke the law by engaging in illegal strikebreaking as its opening move.

In addition, the company created the whole situation in the first place by failing to invest in automation all along, and is now upset that its market dominance is being "undermined" by new competitors that "work smarter, not harder", made investments in automation, and as a result are now able to offer competitive services with lower overhead costs.

The union was locking the company into an unsustainable trajectory, and insisting on impossible demands. Corporate did break the law, and then mirrored the escalation.

While there is fault on both sides at this point, it is really not the union that "locked the company into an unsustainable trajectory". The company made business decisions that made sense at the time but locked it into an unsustainable trajectory when the market shifted, but then they decided that the union and workers should be the ones to pay the price for those decisions.

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As a general truism, "Older company is outmaneuvered by fresh blood and new technology in a shifting market" is a good thing, and protectionist measures that protect old companies from the market consequences of their own decision making are one of the most direct examples of corrupt "crony capitalism". A healthy government doesn't want to punish innovative, successful businesses by artificially propping up their competition!

The big problem for us, as the government, is that this company is currently "too big to fail"; we can't afford the hit to the economy and to infrastructure availability that it would cost to allow the market to sort this out. And we arguably do bear some indirect responsibility because our decisions as a government *made* the economy shift rapidly and dramatically, but we absolutely don't "owe" them a bailout.
 
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Vilegrave

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While there are definite mitigating circumstances (being locked into critical long-term contracts), the bottom line here is that outside of both sides getting their backs up and staking out the most extreme possible positions as attacks on each other, the union's position is more reasonable and the company were the ones who broke the law by engaging in illegal strikebreaking as its opening move.
It wasn't actually their opening move, first they tried renegotiating things/talking to the unions, then they decided to bite the bullet, accept the losses and shut things down to upgrade/automate their facilities, then they went back to the unions to talk while this was going on and they still refused to negotiate, then once the upgrade was finished they tried again and the Union still said no and thats when they decided to move to the 'technically strikebreaking' step of hiring independants.

The Unions were actually willing to talk/negotiate at that point but as they now had the initiative the corporation went overboard in making demands and then the Union tripled down on their demands once they were the ones getting pressured.

There's blame on both sides here, Unions for unfairly crippling the business despite handing out other much better contracts to other companies and the Corporation for going way too far once they managed to claw their way into having more leverage.

It was less that the older company was getting outmaneuvered/locked themselves into an unsustainable trajectory and more the fact that despite trying to upgrade/keep ahead the Union decided to sabotage them/cripple their ability to compete while cheerfully giving much better deals to the new guys. Normally with contracts like this there's always a clause to let people/companies renegotiate just in case something gamechanging (like for instance the automation we've been introducing) is introduced to the market so that any company won't just suddenly find themselves obsolete with no way to change (normally with the corporation/company paying compensation to whoever may find themselves out of a job due to the changing circumstances and with an added fee paid to the union for terminating the contract early), i can see the point your making but in this case the Union initiated this by refusing to be reasonable.

The new companies weren't 'innovative' they just made use of our upgraded research, if it was something they came up with themselves i could agree with you but as is they simply managed to pull ahead while the Union was doing everything they could to hold their biggest competitor back, if the Company had actually gone out of it's way to ignore automation or not bother to invest in it at all i'd agree with you that it was their own fault/that they were trying to make others pay for their foolish decisions but in this case that just isn't what happened.
 
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ShadowArxxy

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Pity that we really can't do that.

We most certainly can. At this point, both sides have broken the law -- the company much more severely than the workers -- and that gives the Crown a lot of leverage. Especially since in this case, all the Crown is doing is being a little dramatic in enforcing the existing laws that require both sides to participate in arbitration before a strike/lockout.

It wasn't actually their opening move, first they tried renegotiating things/talking to the unions, then they decided to bite the bullet, accept the losses and shut things down to upgrade/automate their facilities, then they went back to the unions to talk while this was going on and they still refused to negotiate, then once the upgrade was finished they tried again and the Union still said no and thats when they decided to move to the 'technically strikebreaking' step of hiring independants.

Read Sunhawk's post again.

1. The company started negotiating with the union, but those negotiations went nowhere. At this point both sides were, presumably, negotiating in good faith.

2. The company decided to go ahead and invest in automation without a renegotiated contract from the union, then ordered their employees to start their new jobs with the automated equipment without actually having a new contract.

This is something that happens in real life, although usually not so simply and dramatically. The company is trying to achieve a fait accompli where employees are pressured to accept new and radically redefined job positions in violation of their employment contracts, placing the company in a strong position to force the union to retroactively accept a modified contract.
(And yes, employment contracts are typically that detailed. Changing someone's job from "do X" to "operated automated X machinery" absolutely does require a new contract.)​

3. The union declares that they're standing on the contract as agreed upon, meaning the workers stay at their existing positions until a new deal is actually signed. At this point, the company is no longer negotiating in good faith, whereas the union has actually done nothing wrong. The union's position would be absurd as a long-term measure, but it is absolutely correct as a short term negotiating position.

4. In response to the union refusing to bend the knee to their blatant breach of contract, the company doubles down by crossing the line from "contract violation" to "outright illegal strikebreaking action". At this point, the company isn't just acting unethically, they are acting criminally.

5. The union does knuckle under after the illegal strikebreaking, and offers a reasonable compromise position. The company responds by escalating even further, rejecting the compromise position and making even more extreme demands because they feel they have the upper hand and want to take maximum advantage.

6. The union decides it's had enough and escalates in return by skipping mandatory arbitration and going straight to a wildcat strike. It is only at this point that the union has done anything legally wrong, and even then only in response to multiple illegal acts by the company. They're not the ones playing Queen of Escalation here.

7. Both sides escalate even further, adopting the most extreme possible positions.

There's blame on both sides here, Unions for unfairly crippling the business despite handing out other much better contracts to other companies and the Corporation for going way to far once they managed to claw their way into having more leverage.

Bullshit. There's nothing "unfair" whatsoever about the union declaring that a contract is a contract and holding the company to the terms of the contract until it's actually re-negotiated. That's literally how contractual employment works. The company is not entitled to say, "You've kept up your side of the bargain we made, but we're not happy with our side of it after all, so we're entitled to throw the deal out and claim it's all your fault.", especially when it's the company side's poor long term planning that created this entire mess.

The new companies weren't 'innovative' they just made use of our upgraded research,

That literally is being innovative. They made wise investments in advanced technology and automation, which allowed them to be more flexible and adaptive than the dominant company which did not invest in automation.

This is a very close match for how Sprint rose in wireless telecom against the big networks that had a huge advantage from existing networks; they turned starting from scratch into an advantage by building their network from Day One with the best and latest technology. It didn't work out for Sprint in the long run, but that was for other reasons.
 
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CurtisLemay

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[X] Wageslave - I rather like his solution.
 
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Bear Ribs

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[X] Kelgar04
-BINDING ARBITRATION

Having them solve it themselves and merely giving them a much stronger impetus to do so would seem to be the least intrusive option, compared to forcing our will on one party or the other or just allowing the house of cards to fall.
 

Ridli Scott

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We most certainly can. At this point, both sides have broken the law -- the company much more severely than the workers -- and that gives the Crown a lot of leverage. Especially since in this case, all the Crown is doing is being a little dramatic in enforcing the existing laws that require both sides to participate in arbitration before a strike/lockout.

I don't think we could feed people to the grifftigers, even if they were criminals, and less without a trial.
 

kelgar04

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ShadowArxxy - Semi-Canon Omake of Security Guard Woes

ShadowArxxy

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Comrade
More Omake! Also (totally not!) poking fun at my current job.

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To: incidentreports@office.ditchwatersecurity.com, supervisors@office.ditchwatersecurity.com

From: officer.bcalhoun@employees.ditchwatersecurity.com

Subject: Incident Report, Griffin Run Shipping

At appproximately 0730 hours on 4 July xxxx, while on duty at the Griffin Run Shipping facility, I observed two unidentified VTOL aircraft approaching the building at low altitude. I alerted the on-duty supervisor, who stated in substance that he was not aware of any scheduled air arrivals for this client. I then proceeded to the roof pad via the stairs, since the the passenger elevator at this facility remains offline due to ongoing maintenance issues (see previous incident report).

At approximately 0735 hours, I arrived on the roof, where I observed one VTOL aircraft in a final approach posture and one VTOL aircraft hovering at a distance of approximately 50 meters. I was then approached by an individual who identified himself as W. Breen, the "global operations manager" for Griffin Run Shipping. Breen stated that the VTOLs did not belong to Griffin and were not authorized to land here. The landing VTOL continued to approach and was unresponsive to "wave off" hand signals. I radioed a situation update to the on-duty supervisor, who stated that additional security was "not available at this time".

At approximately 0739 hours, the VTOL aircraft touched down and I approached it, announcing myself as security and stating that they were trespassing on private property. At this time, four armed individuals and three grifftigers exited the VTOL and identified themselves as law enforcement officers. I asked them if they had a warrant and they confirmed that they did. They directed me to wait at the pad while they executed their warrant, leaving one grifftiger with me.

At approximately 0800 hours, the second VTOL landed on the roof but did not deploy any personnell.

At approximately 0915 hours, the group of law enforcement officers returned to the roof with ten individuals in business suits, including Breen, in custody. They were loaded into both VTOLs.

At approximately 0930 hours, both VTOLs departed the property. I then returned to my routine security duties.


Officer B. Calhoun
DitchWater Security

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From: incidentreports@office.ditchwatersecurity.com
To: officer.bcalhoun@employees.ditchwatersecurity.com

Subject: Re: Incident Report, Griffin Run Shipping

DUDE, THERE WERE GRIFFTIGERS AND YOU DIDN'T GET PICTURES?

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From: officer.bcalhoun@employees.ditchwatersecurity.com
To: incidentreports@office.ditchwatersecurity.com

Subject: Re: Re: Incident Report, Griffin Run Shipping

All relevant photographs are in the incident report.

Officer B. Calhoun
DitchWater Security

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From: management@ditchwatersecurity.com
To: officer.bcalhoun@employees.ditchwatersecurity.com

Subject: Client Complaint

Officer Calhoun,

I regret to inform you that our client Griffin Run Shipping has filed a formal complaint against you for "failure to prevent trespass" during the incident which occurred last week. We have informed the client that private security is not lawfully permitted to interfere with law enforcement activity and that there was literally nothing you could have legally done beyond asking to see the warrant.

Nonetheless, the client has demanded that you be removed from their property. We therefore have no choice but to terminate your current assignment, effective immediately. This is a non-disciplinary removal and we will be assigning you to a new site as soon as possible. Please turn over all site-specific equipment as soon as your relieving officer arrives on site.

Respectfully,

Operations Manager G. Freeman
DitchWater Security


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((Yes, this is loosely based on several actual incidents at an actual security job. Yes, some clients think private security should have tried to actually *stop* police from "trespassing" despite having a search warrant. They apparently watch too many action movies.))
 
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Turn 18 - Advisor Actions and Paging Rhiannon Bruce to the White Courtesy Phone, Somebody is Stealing Your Shtick

LordSunhawk

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Turn 18 - Advisors

The entire affair with Griffin’s Run Shipping is starting to give you a serious headache. It had already looked convoluted and intricate enough from the initial barebones briefing, as you read more details it just becomes worse.

From the documents reviewed by your investigators, corporate was planning on converting their two smallest docks into full size automated facilities sized so as to require the same total number of workers, rather than justifying any downsizing. In addition it appears that the long-term plan was for aggressive growth in capacity, again rather than downsizing, in an attempt to drive down costs enough via sheer volume that they’d be able to return to profitability. There are even long-term plans to convert most of the docks into Dropship handling facilities for cargo dropships which land in the water and taxi to the dock.

Moreover, according to the message logs, a notification and request for a meeting to discuss these plans had in fact been sent to the senior union rep… who never responded and who insists that he never received it, in between strident demands that the executives be punished for trying to pull a fast one.

You initially decide to send enforcement teams from Justice to… escort… the principles to a neutral arbitration meeting as they should have done in the first place once the dispute began.

Said meetings prove to be utterly useless, or even worse than useless. The arbitrator, a highly experienced veteran of previous labor disputes is not able to even get a word in edgewise as the two sides simply yell at each other without seeming to be giving a single solitary good goddamn about what the other is saying in response.

So you decide to get involved more directly. You bring your favorite office chair (well, your kids favorite office chair, when you let them play with it in your study) which is so large that it quite effectively hides you from view when you turn it to face away from the table.

Underneath the massive conference table lurks Bastet, assigned the duty simply because Sekhmet is far too large.

So when the executives and the union reps enter, and immediately pause as they notice the absence of the usual arbitrator, you keep silent. Perhaps something will come out if they think they’re alone that your investigators hadn’t caught on to.

And boy does it ever… both sides immediately start ripping into each other, as expected… but not about anything to do with the company or the labor dispute. Instead, both sides seem to be in extremely high dudgeon about what sounds to you to be a family dispute.

As far as you can figure out, it looks like the CEO’s daughter is actually married to the son of the head Union rep. Moreover, as far as you can tell most of the combatants are actually related to each other. And something happened at a family get together that has set all of them at each other's throats.

You haven’t the foggiest idea what it was… and you are seeing red.

You lightly tap your foot on the floor, signalling Bastet, who promptly growls.

A spine-tingling, stomach-churning, throat-curdling growl that cuts through the argument like a hot knife through butter.

You wait a beat, before Bastet chuffs, still sounding incredibly menacing, before you slowly turn around and simply glare at everybody.

“You were warned to settle this matter before I got involved.” you say flatly, eyes flashing.

“I am now involved.”

Bastet practically flows out from underneath the table and sits up next to you, before pointedly beginning to lick her paws, each claw extending and being inspected minutely.

You slap the arm of the chair, but keep your voice level and icy.

“And now to find out that it appears this entire useless waste of time has been caused because you immature children got into a spat and are now all pouting in your corners waiting for Mommy to tell you to behave.”

You lean back in your chair, bringing your fingers together into a steeple in front of your face, glaring angrily.

“Behave. And tell me what in God’s name is serious enough to cause you imbeciles to nearly bring down the entire economy because you are in a snit.”

They at least have the good grace to look rather sheepish at this.

“Well, I’m waiting.” you snap, tapping your toe on the floor, still glaring through your fingers at them while Bastet growls again in counterpoint.

It turns out that it was an utterly ridiculous dispute over, of all things, who ate all the brownies at the last family picnic that somehow metastasized into them not talking to each other, deleting emails from each other, and a light bulb goes off in your head as you realize that the business email about the dock upgrades had been mistaken for a personal email and probably deletes.

In the end it takes you several hours of yelling, in terms that have Sergeant-Major Ngo nodding along with a bit of pride in her expression as you make full use of the rather colorful vocabulary you’d learned from her and the other NCOs.

By the time you are done, you have them sheepishly apologizing and promising to behave themselves, so you count that as a win. On your way out the door, you pass one final judgement.

“And no brownies for any of you until you finish fixing this mess!”

On your way to the armored hovercraft you had taken to the offices, the good sergeant-major makes a comment that utterly freezes your blood.

“You sounded just like bà, you know.” she says.

“I’m not old enough to be bà!” you promptly protest.

She has the audacity to laugh at you for this.

The next day you and Willis take the kids to the next of Jeremy’s Junior League races. The racing is quite close, and Jeremy takes home the win. But that isn’t the highlight of the afternoon.

No, that honor goes to Thanh and Sarah, who had gone with a few of their little friends ‘exploring’ a wooded copse near the track that lent the location a beautiful ambience. When they don’t return in time for the start of Jeremy’s heat you contact their security detail, who inform you that the girls had fallen into a large pool of mud and were being taken to be cleaned up once they were retrieved.

The transmission abruptly ends, then returns with an urgent request for backup.

Your sphincters clench, only to relax when the requests specified a ‘technical retrieval team’ as backup, and the trooper on the security detail relays to you that Thanh had found ‘something metallic’ in the mud pit that they’d not been able to identify.

On your way home from the race you get a call from the retrieval team… the metallic object was a rifle. Specifically a Mauser 960 Assault System. Despite being caked with mud from having been buried for over 200 years, it appears to be in nearly perfect condition.

You immediately order it to be sent over to the university research labs for examination.

A few days later your favorite time of year comes about. Not Christmas, not Easter, not even First Landing, but… BUDGET TIME!

Please, contain your enthusiasm with appropriate decorum.

General Potter speaks first, his voice rumbling like crashing rocks from somewhere in the abyss. “Your Majesty, I have several recommendations that will be highly useful for the future growth and capability of the Armed Forces. First of all, there should be a high priority on completing the Battlemech Training Battalion. We’ll only ever be able to man as many units as we have in the training battalion in a single budget cycle, so filling it out will have long term benefits. Secondly, we need to complete the Mechwarrior Training Center in order to make best use of the training battalion.”

“Finally, we should consider completing other Training Center’s so that we can boost the capability of our entire force. Once we have done so, we’ll be able to further expand the Aerie, potentially making it a proper degree-granting institution in addition to Griffin’s Roost University.”

Bridget is lookin as perky and bouncy as ever, as evidently the reverses and challenges of the last year haven’t dented her confidence one bit.

“Your Majesty! We’ve got some important things that we could do to improve the economy and the overall well being of the planet so I think we should do them since we’ll be finishing up the harbors and getting access to all that titanium so our economy can take the expense so I recommend that we improve our environmental laws which I know the grifftigers would really appreciate and then we also should think about making additional factories for both the Ambush and for our ASFs so as to not be as vulnerable to single knockout attacks also we might want to expand our current ASF factories too.”

She manages all of that without breathing a single time.

You deliberately ask her to repeat herself… slower. She does so, having to take considerable effort in the process, but at least you were able to understand all of that this time.

Dr Young barely cracks a smile at that. She’s now the oldest member of your advisory team, after all. “Your Majesty, there are two things that the Foreign and Cultural Affairs Ministry can do for you that we recommend. First is that we are prepared to start the anti-drug campaign that has been discussed in the past, and second it might be a good idea to make a personal appeal from the Throne to calm any issues between labor and management.”

Professor Chapman nods in agreement “There are several priorities on our end, first extending governmental facilities and control over the new ports, assuming that they are completed this year, and I would strongly recommend holding several town halls to address labor issues with the public before we make any further decisions in that regard.”

Doctor Palmer is smiling almost as much as Bridget. “Your Majesty, can we hire your daughters to prospect for LosTech in the ruins? Because that 960 is in perfect condition and can be very easily stripped down and reverse engineered! Sure they’re a bit heavy, but they are the peak of Star League small arms!”

She takes a deep breath. “But all of this will have to wait for the labs to be cleared of current projects, which hopefully should be this year.” She grimaces a bit at that admission.

Harry and Janet look at each other, then at you, and Harry starts. “Your Majesty, we have more prisoners now to interrogate, so I strongly recommend we focus all of our efforts on the intel side into that project.”

Janet nods. “On this end, we’ve got… options. First, with apologies to Dr Palmer, we could shut the labs down for the year while my investigative teams go over everything with a fine-toothed comb to search for any shenanigans, or we could initiate meetings with stakeholders about revisions and updates to labor laws.” she shrugs. “Your choice, girlfriend.”
 

CurtisLemay

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[X] Plan: Get to the Bottom of Things
-[X] Military
--[X] Establish Advanced Tactical Training Annex - Mechwarrior Training Center
--[X] Purchase 12 Ambush Light Mechs
-[X] Interior
--[X] Establish Industrial Stabilization Fund
-[X] Diplomacy
--[X] Appeal for calm in light of labor-management disputes
-[X] Political
--[X] Hold town hall forums on labor relations
-[X] Research
-- [X] LOSTECH - Mauser 960 Assault System
-[X] Intelligence
--[X] Write-In: Insert asset among research staff to determine who is the behind the sabotage, if anyone and supplement conventional CI efforts.
-[X] Justice
--[X] Meet with Business Leaders and Union Leaders to discuss labor laws
 

Jarow

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If people ask, I have a plan that shuts down research (meaning uses the Investigate University for saboteurs action) 90% ready (a few changes from advisor advice), but I don't think it's needed at this time.

[X] Plan: Ongoing Progress
-[X] Military 5
--[X] Train complex entrance team*
--[X] Build Fortifications lvl 2*
--[X] Advanced Tactical Training Annex - Mechwarrior Training Center (75-$5000)
--[X] Advanced Tactical Training Annex - Vehicle Training Center (75-$5000)
(We'll probably be building some of both soon)
--[X] Recruit 1 Lance Ambush Mech for training unit (60-$1124)

-[X]Interior 5
--[X] Establish Harbor on Castor*
--[X] Establish Harbor on Pollux*
--[X] Build the Titanium mines and port w/Penguin Fighting Grip*
--[X] Planetary Resource Survey (45-$100)
(Cheap interior, potential for valuable things)
--[X] Strengthen Environmental Regulations Lvl 2 (75-$5000)
(Event protection)

-[X] Diplomatic 3
--[X] Increased funding for the arts

-[X] Political 3

-[X] Research 3
--[X] Power Generation lvl 2*
--[X] Orbital Infrastructure lvl 2*
--[X] Reverse Engineer DEST Infiltration Suit*
--[X] Improved Communications Lvl 2 (75-$2000)
(Relatively inexpensive research, finishes tech level)

-[X] Intelligence 3
--[X] Counterintelligence Surveillance
--[X] Interrogate POWs*

-[X] Justice 2
--[X] Establish Royal Grifftiger Mounted Police*

-[X] Training
--[X] RRF (80-$724)
(New anti-air platforms need training from green)
 
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kashim3

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I don't know what the SLDF procurement department was thinking with the Mauser 960 Assault System. I know peace time needs and bloat but having your survival kit on your primary weapon and it being the most likely thing a soldier can lose, as with how we found it, on top of making the rifle stupidly heavy. Hopefully we make version that does not have the survival kit on it.


[X] Plan: Ongoing Progress
 
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