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Good for you.As long as americans have rifles,there is still hope for your nation.
Gold Plated AK Spotted in the Wild...
And in Pakistans Baluchistan region no less... and in a driveby!
And in Pakistans Baluchistan region no less... and in a driveby!
POF has decided to spill spaghetti:
Their Twitter reveal video actually brags about how this thing runs proprietary mags, which is the most insane thing I've seen in a while.
Also, it's $2000.
Article: The Tombstone 9MM is POF-USA’s take on a lever-action rifle. Tombstone is a modern-lever-action chambered in a pistol caliber, initially offered in 9MM. The rifle comes with the same proven 20-round standard magazine, or optional 10-round, that accompanies the POF-USA Phoenix.
The Tombstone’s compact overall length is just 36” and comes in at an ultra-lightweight 5.75lbs (unloaded weight). The trigger is a proprietary non-adjustable design, featuring a smooth pull and crisp break of 3.5lbs. The 16.5” free-floating 4150 steel barrel is complimented by POF’s 10.5” Modular Receiver Rail (M.R.R.), with M-Lok slots at the 3, 6, 9 and a 2” picatinny rail at the 12 position. The integrated XS Ghost Ring sights allow for quick target acquisition and POF’s removable dual port muzzle break is ideal for fast follow-up shots.
Their Twitter reveal video actually brags about how this thing runs proprietary mags, which is the most insane thing I've seen in a while.
Also, it's $2000.
At that price it better do a lot more than advertised so far!
IIRC, 9mm is fine through anything up to a 16 inch barrel. After that, it starts losing velocity.
Since this is a rifle under the NFA, that's fine.
The freefloat tubes do increase accuracy, and I guess the sights would be pretty good if you're not going to slap a red dot/prism sight on it.
Since this is a rifle under the NFA, that's fine.
The freefloat tubes do increase accuracy, and I guess the sights would be pretty good if you're not going to slap a red dot/prism sight on it.
POF makes some really good guns, IMO. I've now gotten to test fire a few of their ARs and they are pretty sweet. Pricey, but worth it IMO. They are local to me here in Phoenix.
Personally, I recently picked up a GSG 1911 chambered for .22LR as a plinking and range gun (for the cheap ammo). Apart from being a bit finicky with extraction (I've had multiple extraction failures, generally the round getting partially ejected but caught by the closing slide) its been running very well. According to the gunsmith at C2 Tactical a 1911, especially one chambered in .22LR takes ~500 rounds to break in properly and is very picky about ammunition.
Personally, I recently picked up a GSG 1911 chambered for .22LR as a plinking and range gun (for the cheap ammo). Apart from being a bit finicky with extraction (I've had multiple extraction failures, generally the round getting partially ejected but caught by the closing slide) its been running very well. According to the gunsmith at C2 Tactical a 1911, especially one chambered in .22LR takes ~500 rounds to break in properly and is very picky about ammunition.
Yes, the 1911 is a classic, but also a crochety old hen that throws tantrums if everything isn't Just So.
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POF has decided to spill spaghetti:
Article: The Tombstone 9MM is POF-USA’s take on a lever-action rifle. Tombstone is a modern-lever-action chambered in a pistol caliber, initially offered in 9MM. The rifle comes with the same proven 20-round standard magazine, or optional 10-round, that accompanies the POF-USA Phoenix.
The Tombstone’s compact overall length is just 36” and comes in at an ultra-lightweight 5.75lbs (unloaded weight). The trigger is a proprietary non-adjustable design, featuring a smooth pull and crisp break of 3.5lbs. The 16.5” free-floating 4150 steel barrel is complimented by POF’s 10.5” Modular Receiver Rail (M.R.R.), with M-Lok slots at the 3, 6, 9 and a 2” picatinny rail at the 12 position. The integrated XS Ghost Ring sights allow for quick target acquisition and POF’s removable dual port muzzle break is ideal for fast follow-up shots.
Their Twitter reveal video actually brags about how this thing runs proprietary mags, which is the most insane thing I've seen in a while.
Also, it's $2000.
NGL... it kinda looks like shite... It may not operate like shite... but... just calling it like I'm seeing it. 🤷♀️
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I was on-board with their tacticool lever-gat silliness, proprietary magazine and all even if I would've grumbled about it, on the assumption it was under half that. Like...High hundreds I understand and would be amenable towards--probly wouldn't buy because I'm a cheapskate, but the thought would cross my mind.
I just don't know who their target buyer is. My and anyone else who would be 'in it for the lols' asses are priced right out, it's too-tactical to get around states with AWBs, there's PCCs aplenty in 9mm (and 2000 gets you your down-payment on a MP5), and nobody doing range shooting is going to want 9mm?
Is there a tactical-cowboy market out there that hasn't jumped into the AR or AK platforms that I haven't heard about?
Here's some other weird shit that's probably pricey AF, but is at least doing something interesting:
Article: Details
As you first heft the RIA 5.0, you notice immediately this is unlike your typical combat pistol. For starters, the barrel is square … on the outside. The inside is round and rifled, just like you might expect. The external contour, however, is essentially a box. This square shape interfaces seamlessly with a corresponding square cutout on the inside of the slide. That’s kind of weird, but it’s a good kind of weird. The slide rides on these glassy-smooth flats for an inimitably seamless cycling experience. This is tough to put into words, but you feel it right off when you cycle the slide by hand. Imagine warm snot across glass.
The barrel doesn’t tilt. Unlike conventional Browning-style autoloaders, the barrel on the RIA 5.0 remains stationary as the slide cycles. Everything remains directly in the line of recoil. More on that later.
The frame wraps around the slide in the manner of the Czech CZ75. This minimizes the slide gripping surface, but it drops the bore axis as low as physics will allow. It’s not really possible to drop the bore axis of a handgun any lower. This nifty bit of unconventional architecture also contributes to minimizing recoil and excising muzzle flip.
The gun is unnaturally nose-heavy. The forward portion of the pistol is a massive aluminum frame cut into a Picatinny rail. The front-heavy architecture combines with the rest of this radically innovative stuff to do some of the most delightful things to the gun’s recoil characteristics.
In keeping with the thoroughly unconventional nature of this beast, the frame itself is a composite of sorts. The structure is aluminum, while the grip is formed from a rugged polymer insert. The polymer bit is nicely stippled, easy on the mitts, and impervious to sweat and corrosion. The demarcation between steel and polymer is essentially seamless.
The hybrid nature of this design is just cool. The components that manage pressures and reciprocating components are all metal. The bits that interface with your soft sensitive flesh are polymer. It’s the best of both worlds.
There are but two controls. The magazine release is left-side-only and in the expected spot. The slide stop is likewise on the left side of the frame. Aside from a simply extraordinary trigger, there’s just nothing else to wiggle.
My particular test gun didn’t have any iron sights. In their place was a top-flight C-More red dot. As I said, this is a different sort of handgun. Rock Island is launching this pistol with a limited run of such optics-only configurations to be followed by conventional iron-sighted models, as shown in the pictures here.
The finish is a deep, rugged black that looks like that inky spot between the stars on a clear summer night. Fit and finish are both superb, as we might expect. Additionally, stamped discreetly on the right side of the frame, it reads “MADE IN USA-Cedar City, UT.”
Armscor, the international umbrella that owns the American company Rock Island Armory, is the largest manufacturer of small arms in SE Asia. They are the largest producer of 1911 pistols on the planet. Armscor is based in the Philippines and has been churning out quality firearms since right after World War II. It seems they are now going to try their hand at building guns on this side of the pond. I’m just giddy at the prospects.
The Trigger
Ah, the trigger. In keeping with the overall mantra of radical differentness, the RIA 5.0 ignites via an internal hammer system. There’s nothing on the outside to snag and very little to see. However, the hammer-fired ignition system offers an inimitably rapturous trigger experience. There is the obligatory safety tab built into the trigger face, but it is all beautifully smooth. The wide, flat-faced trigger draws through a modestly long yet ethereally light take-up to break predictably and brilliantly. The reset is as short as a toddler’s attention span. The overall ambiance is like that of a superbly tuned target gun. If your groups wander, it isn’t due to the trigger.
Parentage
Fred Craig is the brains behind the RIA 5.0. That guy is my hero. He is the Leonardo da Vinci of firearms. He contrived the .22 TCM. The .22 TCM is my hands-down favorite firearms cartridge.
If you’ve not yet partaken of the .22 TCM, then you have my pity. TCM stands for Tuason Craig Micromagnum. I don’t wish to oversell, but the .22 TCM is the coolest round in the world.
Fred started with a 5.56mm cartridge and then cut it down. If my math is correct, the technical appellation would be 5.56x26mm. This charming little cartridge pushes a 40-grain JHP bullet to around 2,000 fps out of my high-capacity RIA 1911. The end result is all but recoilless and shoots like a laser. It also produces the most adorable softball-sized muzzle flash each time you squeeze the trigger. If I had an unlimited amount of ammunition, I could shoot this thing until I starved to death.
Back in 2003, Fred came out with a radically advanced gun he called the M11 Merc. My friend and mentor Roy Huntington reviewed it for American Handgunner back in the day. Roy described the M11 Merc as “The Gas Gun Meets the Terminator.” That’s quite the accurate statement.
The M11 Merc employed a novel gas-delayed action. That mechanism tapped a bit of gas from the barrel and used it against a piston to slow down and buffer the reciprocating slide. The new RIA 5.0 is something else entirely.
Mechanical Magic
I’m seldom the smartest guy in the room, but I’m not stupid. I have a degree in mechanical engineering and have been immersed in guns ever since I was weaned. Despite all that, it still took a humble email requesting advice before I could get the RIA 5.0 disassembled. Once I had actually pawed over everything, it took yet another humble email to figure out just what it was I was looking at. I had never seen anything like this before.
Fred calls it the RVS or Ram Valve System. When first I saw the term “valve,” I went searching for a gas port. However, this valve manages raw mechanical energy rather than gas.
The RVS is a patented linear locking system that secures the action at the moment of firing but allows the weapon to cycle without upsetting the bore axis. In Browning-inspired recoil-operated handguns, the barrel has to tilt to unlock and affect operation. In the case of the 5.0, this mechanical valve unlocks and allows the gun’s recoil forces to cycle the slide. All of this conspires to just gobble up felt recoil.
The Firing System
Fred calls the internal hammer system the Micro Hammer Assembly. Up close, this looks more like a flapper of some sort than a conventional hammer. Fred first contrived this thing in 2008 while working for Smith & Wesson.
The Micro Hammer Assembly is spunky enough to ensure reliable ignition while offering a trigger personality in keeping with a finely tuned 1911. The overall effect, just like everything else about the 5.0, is just so refreshingly different. It’s not really a 1911, and it’s definitely not a striker-fired GLOCK. The 5.0 is indeed an entirely new experience on the range.
That is quite neat.
Buba
A total creep
LOL!
A metaphore worthy of being included in a spoof of ads selling home appliances to men
POF has decided to spill spaghetti:
Article: The Tombstone 9MM is POF-USA’s take on a lever-action rifle. Tombstone is a modern-lever-action chambered in a pistol caliber, initially offered in 9MM. The rifle comes with the same proven 20-round standard magazine, or optional 10-round, that accompanies the POF-USA Phoenix.
Article: "Initially offered in 9mm"
I'll hold out for the 7.62 Tokarev version.
That is a very striking and beautiful pistol... but I have no idea what he's talking about here. A valve that manages raw mechanical energy, rather than gas? That kind of sounds like John Pedersen's hesitation lock from the Remington Model 51, but I'm not sure how you can make a purely linear version of that.
Rock Island Armory huh. Yeah I'll pass. Not gonna trust them nope nope nope.Here's some other weird shit that's probably pricey AF, but is at least doing something interesting:
Article: Details
As you first heft the RIA 5.0, you notice immediately this is unlike your typical combat pistol. For starters, the barrel is square … on the outside. The inside is round and rifled, just like you might expect. The external contour, however, is essentially a box. This square shape interfaces seamlessly with a corresponding square cutout on the inside of the slide. That’s kind of weird, but it’s a good kind of weird. The slide rides on these glassy-smooth flats for an inimitably seamless cycling experience. This is tough to put into words, but you feel it right off when you cycle the slide by hand. Imagine warm snot across glass.
The barrel doesn’t tilt. Unlike conventional Browning-style autoloaders, the barrel on the RIA 5.0 remains stationary as the slide cycles. Everything remains directly in the line of recoil. More on that later.
The frame wraps around the slide in the manner of the Czech CZ75. This minimizes the slide gripping surface, but it drops the bore axis as low as physics will allow. It’s not really possible to drop the bore axis of a handgun any lower. This nifty bit of unconventional architecture also contributes to minimizing recoil and excising muzzle flip.
The gun is unnaturally nose-heavy. The forward portion of the pistol is a massive aluminum frame cut into a Picatinny rail. The front-heavy architecture combines with the rest of this radically innovative stuff to do some of the most delightful things to the gun’s recoil characteristics.
In keeping with the thoroughly unconventional nature of this beast, the frame itself is a composite of sorts. The structure is aluminum, while the grip is formed from a rugged polymer insert. The polymer bit is nicely stippled, easy on the mitts, and impervious to sweat and corrosion. The demarcation between steel and polymer is essentially seamless.
The hybrid nature of this design is just cool. The components that manage pressures and reciprocating components are all metal. The bits that interface with your soft sensitive flesh are polymer. It’s the best of both worlds.
There are but two controls. The magazine release is left-side-only and in the expected spot. The slide stop is likewise on the left side of the frame. Aside from a simply extraordinary trigger, there’s just nothing else to wiggle.
My particular test gun didn’t have any iron sights. In their place was a top-flight C-More red dot. As I said, this is a different sort of handgun. Rock Island is launching this pistol with a limited run of such optics-only configurations to be followed by conventional iron-sighted models, as shown in the pictures here.
The finish is a deep, rugged black that looks like that inky spot between the stars on a clear summer night. Fit and finish are both superb, as we might expect. Additionally, stamped discreetly on the right side of the frame, it reads “MADE IN USA-Cedar City, UT.”
Armscor, the international umbrella that owns the American company Rock Island Armory, is the largest manufacturer of small arms in SE Asia. They are the largest producer of 1911 pistols on the planet. Armscor is based in the Philippines and has been churning out quality firearms since right after World War II. It seems they are now going to try their hand at building guns on this side of the pond. I’m just giddy at the prospects.
The Trigger
Ah, the trigger. In keeping with the overall mantra of radical differentness, the RIA 5.0 ignites via an internal hammer system. There’s nothing on the outside to snag and very little to see. However, the hammer-fired ignition system offers an inimitably rapturous trigger experience. There is the obligatory safety tab built into the trigger face, but it is all beautifully smooth. The wide, flat-faced trigger draws through a modestly long yet ethereally light take-up to break predictably and brilliantly. The reset is as short as a toddler’s attention span. The overall ambiance is like that of a superbly tuned target gun. If your groups wander, it isn’t due to the trigger.
Parentage
Fred Craig is the brains behind the RIA 5.0. That guy is my hero. He is the Leonardo da Vinci of firearms. He contrived the .22 TCM. The .22 TCM is my hands-down favorite firearms cartridge.
If you’ve not yet partaken of the .22 TCM, then you have my pity. TCM stands for Tuason Craig Micromagnum. I don’t wish to oversell, but the .22 TCM is the coolest round in the world.
Fred started with a 5.56mm cartridge and then cut it down. If my math is correct, the technical appellation would be 5.56x26mm. This charming little cartridge pushes a 40-grain JHP bullet to around 2,000 fps out of my high-capacity RIA 1911. The end result is all but recoilless and shoots like a laser. It also produces the most adorable softball-sized muzzle flash each time you squeeze the trigger. If I had an unlimited amount of ammunition, I could shoot this thing until I starved to death.
Back in 2003, Fred came out with a radically advanced gun he called the M11 Merc. My friend and mentor Roy Huntington reviewed it for American Handgunner back in the day. Roy described the M11 Merc as “The Gas Gun Meets the Terminator.” That’s quite the accurate statement.
The M11 Merc employed a novel gas-delayed action. That mechanism tapped a bit of gas from the barrel and used it against a piston to slow down and buffer the reciprocating slide. The new RIA 5.0 is something else entirely.
Mechanical Magic
I’m seldom the smartest guy in the room, but I’m not stupid. I have a degree in mechanical engineering and have been immersed in guns ever since I was weaned. Despite all that, it still took a humble email requesting advice before I could get the RIA 5.0 disassembled. Once I had actually pawed over everything, it took yet another humble email to figure out just what it was I was looking at. I had never seen anything like this before.
Fred calls it the RVS or Ram Valve System. When first I saw the term “valve,” I went searching for a gas port. However, this valve manages raw mechanical energy rather than gas.
The RVS is a patented linear locking system that secures the action at the moment of firing but allows the weapon to cycle without upsetting the bore axis. In Browning-inspired recoil-operated handguns, the barrel has to tilt to unlock and affect operation. In the case of the 5.0, this mechanical valve unlocks and allows the gun’s recoil forces to cycle the slide. All of this conspires to just gobble up felt recoil.
The Firing System
Fred calls the internal hammer system the Micro Hammer Assembly. Up close, this looks more like a flapper of some sort than a conventional hammer. Fred first contrived this thing in 2008 while working for Smith & Wesson.
The Micro Hammer Assembly is spunky enough to ensure reliable ignition while offering a trigger personality in keeping with a finely tuned 1911. The overall effect, just like everything else about the 5.0, is just so refreshingly different. It’s not really a 1911, and it’s definitely not a striker-fired GLOCK. The 5.0 is indeed an entirely new experience on the range.
Here's the patent file:
US10018433B2 - Linear locking barrel system for firearm - Google Patents
A linear locking barrel system for a firearm may include a frame, a slide movably mounted on the frame and defining a barrel channel, a barrel at least partially positioned in the barrel channel of the slide and being movable with respect to the frame and slide along a linear path, and a locking...
patents.google.com
"Valve" appears to be purely a marketing term due to the appearance of the setup. Patent applications are a particularly hard to decipher form of legalese, but it appears to me that it's a linear hesitation lock in which the barrel is initially locked to the slide and both recoil back together, but partway through the recoil stroke, a ram attached to the guide rod disengages the locking lug which links the barrel to the slide, thus allowing the barrel to reverse its motion and go back into battery *independently* of the slide, thereby opening the chamber and ejecting the spent cartridge. Then when the slide comes back forward, a "deflecting element" re-engages the locking lug when it reaches the corresponding recess in the barrel, locking them together again and making the action ready to cycle again.
If my understanding is correct, this mechanism is broadly similar to the long recoil system used in older semiautomatic shotguns, only instead of the bolt being locked back until the barrel has returned to the forward position in order to create the "gap" needed for ejection, the barrel unlocks from the bolt + slide in the middle of the recoil stroke and the "gap" is produced by the barrel returning forward while the bolt + slide is still traveling rearward.
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Looks like there's a locking piece under the barrel which links the barrel to the slide. After a few millimeters of backward travel, the locking piece hits the guide rod spring and is yanked downward. So it's actually nothing like the Remington R51 locking mechanism.
I'd pay good money to see a long-recoil operated pistol.
The locking piece is actually on the slide, fitting into a matched recess in the barrel.
Here ya go, the "Frommer Stop" pistol manufctured by Fémáru, Fegyver és Gépgyár from 1912 to 1945 and serving as the Royal Hungarian Army's standard sidearm for that period.
