Boomstick's and shooty shooty bang bang's - The GUN Thread!

Kobold

The ambivalent trickster
THIS IS NOT A GUN CONTROL THREAD!

This is a thread for discussion about GUNS! Firearms! slug throwers! fire sticks! HOT LEAD AND CORDITE!

What you own, what you want, what you hate, why your opinion is best and should be listened to!

TRY and keep it to real guns, M'kay? But if the urge to DAKKA comes... well... you know what to do.

Pictures. We want gun porn.
Videos? Sure! Some people like to watch, you know...

First, we must be blessed by the Patron Saint of the Holey Boomstick.
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"Twelve Gauge. Who wants some? A-men"


To start:
Something Serious and Ridiculous.
A 9mm Gatling Gun, you say? Looks fun. ME WANT!



How can AK or AR bois even compete?
 
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Kobold

The ambivalent trickster
Okay, next up something fun for the ladies.

Not one of those wimpy dainty featherlights or pink-on-pink purse pistol.

Nope.
It's Big.
It's Black.
It even Rotates for her pleasure!
The Ladies Home Companion. (it really is named that) Sure to leave her satisfied.
A great big tool that she can really feel the power with both hands, though she might have to grab the shaft a bit to keep it under control. 😘

It's a rare .45-70 round... spring wound pistol thing.
Why .45-70? Because fuck that guy and then the 3 other guys that are standing behind him, that's why!

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Truly the weapon of choice for bored housewives... if those housewives live in a dystopia Detroit-level world. :ROFLMAO:
 
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Arch Dornan

Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Muzzle-loading firearms, which muskets are only a subcategory of, are actually quote a different beast than most modern firearms.

Firstly, they're almost ALWAYS firing a larger caliber round than modern weapons. The SMALLEST they went was about .30 caliber for black powder revolvers, and most rifles were chambered in at least .45 caliber (typically long rifles). The famous Brown Bess Musket, used by the British through the 18th century, was nearly .70 caliber.

Further, those weapons used proper Black Powder, not modern smokeless powder. They're two very different compounds, and modern powder is actually more powerful than Black Powder, while also less volatile. On top of all that, with Black Powder weapons you would consciously alter you powder load depending on what you were doing with the weapon at any given time, with the rule of thumb being that for shooting to kill you wanted to fire approximately three times the caliber in grains (IE, for a .50 caliber weapon, you'd use 150 grains of Black Powder).

All that said, Black Powder weapons do tend to be quieter than modern ones for a variety of reasons. The noise from firearms mainly comes from the explosive discharge of the powder. The more efficient and tightly contained the explosion, the louder it ends up (sound is, after all, merely a shockwave in the air, the more intense the shockwave, the louder the sound). Due to the way Black Powder firearms work, they are simply less efficient at containing the explosion than modern firearms. Thus they tend to be quieter. Not so quiet as to where one shouldn't wear hearing protection went using one, especially if you're going to be around a lot of them, but not so loud as to give you tinnitus (that's the formal name for the ringing in the ears folks are referring to) immediately.

As to the question of kickback, they actually tend to not kick as much as you'd think. Bear in mind, traditional Black Powder weapons are made of steel (for the barrel), brass (for the lock), and hardwood (for the stock)*. Neither of these things are exactly LIGHT. The Brown Bess musket mentioned earlier weights a bit over TEN POUNDS. In comparison, the original AR-15 weights just over six. This increased mass, combined with less well contained explosion means that most black powder weapons don't kick all that much when used when firing a killing load. And even less when you're firing a practice load (that is, firing as many grains as your caliber, meant for casual target shooting as to not waste powder).

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* Why yes, the parts of a musket are, in fact, what the old saying of "lock, stock, and barrel" to mean "everything" is referring to.
Makes sense. Older guns would be more heavy and can be bulky so it would eventually be made lighter and more efficient with black powder getting replaced.
Nope, even with double protection on the range we could hear fine.
So this stopped being an issue after a quick search.

Though this question I thought of has been mentioned in quora too.
 

Husky_Khan

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I love how the guys bothered to use the different 10 gauge shotgun loads, explain What they were and everytime the basic result was the same.

Their target exploded.

The Co2 shotgun slugs were a neat idea as well. And the Ithaca Mag 10 semi automatic at the end there... Very nice.
 

prinCZess

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So here's a softball-pitch to folks on the general topic: Do you have any idiosyncrasies or particular things/manufacturers/etc. you look for or enjoy in firearms? Have a company you have slavishly devoted yourself to defending no matter what (or, alternatively, to shaming whenever possible)? Enjoy anachronistic weirdness like wooden furniture on modern rifles or tacticool/bubba'd old rifles (*glares at posters further up the thread...You know who you are*)? Is there a particular 'forgotten firearm' design-feature you just think is neat, even if it's stupid, and want to share?

To answer my own question (because surprise, surprise, it's why I asked it!):
Czech(oslovakian) firearms have been something I always kind of perk-up for whenever looking around--yes, for those of you raising an eyebrow and smirking, because childhood/teenage me saw a CZ-75 being used in a comic book and got enamored/brainwashed into the cult/wanted to be a handgun-hipster (though also because they look similar to a Hi-Power I grew up shooting...And damn did those get spendy to buy). That fondness for the 75 expanded into other CZ pistols when size and price came in to affect things (CZ-82 is much easier to carry about), and then that one turned into a lot more because some of the surplus pistols are relatively affordable and fun to popgun targets with, and then that expanded into (semi)CZ rifles when the opportunity came to pick up a Czech-refurbished Mosin-Nagant--and I still kick myself over a chance I had to buy a CZ-52 rifle but passed on.

Now I've mainly collared the oddity into being something that only comes out at gun shows, with the occasional temptation to internet-order oddball or more historical CZ pistols my cheapskate heart manages to fend off. At least so far. Some of the Interwar and immediate after-war CZ pistols are just so cute it's hard to resist sometimes.
 

bullethead

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So here's a softball-pitch to folks on the general topic: Do you have any idiosyncrasies or particular things/manufacturers/etc. you look for or enjoy in firearms?
I'm a sucker for bullpups. I blame Stargate SG-1 and Halo for that, but I wound up finally getting one.

Don't have a P90, sadly.

Also, I'm a sucker for guns modded to look more futuristic/cool, but those usually don't end up on gun sale sites, or are made with airsoft replicas.
 

*THASF*

The Halo and Sonic Fan
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I have a fair number, myself:

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There are a few that aren’t even pictured here (my Sig M400, 10.5” AR pistol, Norinco SKS, Kimber Custom II, Ruger Mark II, Remington 870 and Mossberg 500).

I’ve shot the AR-10 one-handed. With the VG6 Gamma 7.62 comp, it does not kick at all. It feels like shooting a 5.56mm with a birdcage flash hider.
 

Shipmaster Sane

You have been weighed
*cough cough*

1. Any _>1oz birdshot load #8 or larger is sufficient for home defense, and there is no actual statistical data to dispute this.

2. Statistical data suggests that even what would be considered An extreme difference in pistol caliber (22lr, 25acp, vs 44mag) produces only marginally different results in a defensive situation. All pistol caliber arguments of a smaller range (i.e., 45 vs 9mm) are irrelevant. Anyone who makes caliber arguments who doesn't carry 50GI is a hypocrite.

3. Bear spray is statistically more likely to save you in a bear attack than a gun. Further, magnums are not statistically supierior to standard cartridges in this area.


I will fight you.
 

LordSunhawk

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*cough cough*

1. Any _>1oz birdshot load #8 or larger is sufficient for home defense, and there is no actual statistical data to dispute this.

2. Statistical data suggests that even what would be considered An extreme difference in pistol caliber (22lr, 25acp, vs 44mag) produces only marginally different results in a defensive situation. All pistol caliber arguments of a smaller range (i.e., 45 vs 9mm) are irrelevant. Anyone who makes caliber arguments who doesn't carry 50GI is a hypocrite.

3. Bear spray is statistically more likely to save you in a bear attack than a gun. Further, magnums are not statistically supierior to standard cartridges in this area.


I will fight you.

Point 1 - Perhaps, but there is no statistical data to support you either. It is highly dependent on the situation, the home, and the nature of the intrusion. Bird shot is effective if you are not facing a determined opponent, but quite bluntly double-ought buck is the 'ideal' shotgun load for home defense in the vast majority of situations.

Point 2 - I worship at the Church of the Holy 1911... if your caliber isn't .45 ACP then your argument is invalid. GOOD DAY SIR
 

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