So that leaves us with three options:
1) These men are cowards.
2) These men know no relief is coming and are fleeing a hopeless situation.
3) These men were ordered to withdraw.
That about sum it up?
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So that leaves us with three options:
1) These men are cowards.
2) These men know no relief is coming and are fleeing a hopeless situation.
3) These men were ordered to withdraw.
That about sum it up?
Yes, and we know it is 1. Maybe 3. Definitely not 2
Why not 2? Seems pretty reasonable reading of the situation.
Because they had the numbers and equipment to easy stand firm at some of the places
I think it's a mixture of all three, and maybe they're all riding in the same jeep. Because I don't trust Afghani officers not to sell weapons or gear to interested parties for cash on the side. I've read an article or two about some troops being so poor, they need to sell guns for flour. And how some troops didn't get paid for months.
You guys forgot a sizable amount of Afghan security forces fled to Tajikistan several week ago, maybe more, because they could see the writing on the wall and decided leaving A-stan was the smartest move they could make.
The Taliban are coming back and winning easily, because most of the troops they are facing are partially trained, probably in the army for the what amounts to a welfare check, and tribal loyalties mean more to them than the gov in Kabul.
A-stan was never going to be a success for the US, after bin Laden fled to Pakistan, and we've deluded ourselves into thinking that there was any realitistic outcome other than the Taliban taking back control once we left, particlualry once they made nice with the CCP and are still fighting ISIS-A-stan in some areas.
The only useful thing for the US in A-stan were the airbases as forward deployed points for conflicts with China, Russia, or Iran and the rare earth's in A-stan's mountains; but the DC establishment would never admit that to the US public.
As long as the Taliban don't piss of CHina they will be fine. If China does or Taliban does. It will get bloody
They won't; they will become a CCP catspaw and will be given free rein to do what they want in A-stan, so long as it does not interfere with Xi's Belt and Road plan.
This is the Taliban. The second China decides they are tired of them, or they come at odds. They will suffer
That's assuming the CCP do not just bribe the Taliban into compliance, and/or remind them CCP ROE is far looser than US ROE, if things get unpleasant.
Edit: I mean, when was the last time you heard the Taliban or others in the region say anything against the CCP for their treatment of Uighyrs? They know China is not going to be nearly as squeamish when it come to collective retaliation for attacks against their people and realize that Beijing isn't going to bitch at them about 'human rights' like we would.
THey took on Russia.
All that would happen is we supply them with weapons. AGAIN.
You are naive if you think China will make the same mistakes we and the Russians did in A-stan. They do not have the same aims, nor the same domestic pressures they have to keep in mind.
The Taliban is going to be a CCP front in all but name before too long, and A-stan will be a big link on the Belt and Road plan.
You say this
China will fuck it up. They always do
That is an assumption that it is too soon to make with China in A-stan.
Now if you are thinking that because the US plans to try to get the Taliban to have beef with China via shady ops and false flags...good luck.
Both the CCP and Taliban are likely aware the US may try shit like that in the future; our playbook in situations like this is rather predictable at this point.
I mean.
We know the Taliban will do something the CCP dint like and Chins will take revenge
I rather doubt the Taliban is interested in beef with the CCP, given they've been mum about the whole Uighyr thing, and I think the CCP is more interested in A-stans resources and location than they are with actually properly conquering the place.
That's not even counting in that the CCP would likely have no problem using methods and weapons on the Taliban that the US and Russia both didn't have the stomach for.
Sobek
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China would have absolute no qualms about going medieval on Afghanistan. They ran tanks over their own protesters, proper Han Chinese men and women. How much do you think they will care for the lives of foreign devils?
It will make the Soviet attempts in the region look downright humane. The Taliban might have just dealt with the devil.
It will make the Soviet attempts in the region look downright humane. The Taliban might have just dealt with the devil.
I honestly don't think the Taliban and the Chinese are going to come to blows, but that's because I don't think China is going to be able to maintain a major global policy if there's a falling out over the US boycotting the Winter Games. China will have no choice but to respond and that may kill any sort of economic relation. And that will probably lead to worse things.
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History Learner
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I'm glad Afghanistan is finally ending, the GIRoA is corrupt and evil as fuck to the extent the Taliban taking over is probably an improvement for most Afghans. It's surreal to watch Saigon 2.0 play out, especially this fast; Kandahar City and Herat fell today and probing attacks have already begun on Kabul. The one saving grace right now for the latter is the 4,600 Anglo-Americans coming into evacuate everyone out, so the Taliban will probably wait until we clear out to finish off that city in favor of taking out Dostum and Noor in Mazar.
20 years, 3,000 Soldiers and $1 Trillion....and all for nothing. A very fitting end to Empire, in a sense, and to the end of the "End of History".
20 years, 3,000 Soldiers and $1 Trillion....and all for nothing. A very fitting end to Empire, in a sense, and to the end of the "End of History".
killerofa23
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Here's my question who isn't evacing there Afghan embassy