bintananth
behind a desk
Too expensive. A minimum wage worker with a full-time job in the US is more highly paid than most of the people in China (or most of the world, for that matter) and still considered to be impoverished by US standards.
United States Biden administration policies and actions - megathread
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Apperently if you have a degree it is better to work in another country then in the US. Some friends of mine and I got into an argument about this
Megadeath
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Well, the first point is well taken. It seems foolish to me, but then most sentimentality and honour can look that way to someone who doesn't share the same values and ideals. I can at least understand the idea "My country right or wrong, till whatever end." even if I don't agree with it.
The last bit I don't think makes as much sense to me. Like, I get that's what the people want. But what I'm not getting, is that certain people are saying that America doesn't fit that version of America anymore and never will again, whilst the government is actively working to harm them for being who they are. In that case, ignoring your first point, it would make more sense to me to find somewhere that at very least isn't going to round you up into re-education centers, and hopefully somewhere that even if it isn't exactly what you want, is somewhere that you can have a political voice and where you can hope to change things to suit you better. Surely they don't believe the democrats/evil cabal control every election everywhere?
Lol, I feel like you're missing the point there. I'm not telling people to move, I'm asking why they don't. It quite honestly doesn't make sense for me for someone to believe things are as bad as they say, that it's not possible to fix the issue, but to then just suffer it anyway. Like, if I truly believed that democracy was dead where I live and voting was a meaningless facade, I would leave.Says the random person telling people he disagrees with to move to South Korea and Israel in a Biden Policy thread in a discussion tangent supposedly about election fraud.
But, it doesn't counter it. There's a fairly huge difference between "The current president is a shitty human being." and "The current government are evil puppets, and there is no point trying to fix the system."
Yeah, there's always screeching from whichever side isn't in power. I'm not complaining that people are upset about Biden. I don't think an honest belief that democracy is dead and the judicial system is irrelevant are usually a part of that though. The people who were upset with Trump did do exactly what I'm suggesting; they mounted constant legal and political attacks, to hamper and remove someone they disagreed with. Some of those efforts were more questionable than others, but they worked in the system for change. Here, people are saying the Biden administration/democrats/evil cabal committed a massive and blatant crime. So then I say "prove it" not to me, but where it matters. Make a legal case, and show off that evidence if you truly believe it shows that. Then the response is that the judiciary are entirely controlled by whoever, so it's pointless. At that point, I can't understand why anyone would stay in a place like they're describing America to be. If I lived in Russia, I'd leave for the same reasons. So I guess to me it seems people don't truly believe what they're saying themselves, or else everyone is behaving in a way that's entirely irrational.
LOL! I'm a bully? Do I have some power over anyone here? I'm not round about insulting anyone, I'm saying that clearly there's something I'm not getting because there seems to be a massive disconnect between certain people's stated beliefs and their actions and I honestly believe there's a better explanation than assuming they're idiots.
How can you say that the idea of filing a lawsuit is separate from the discussion about the existence and validity of evidence? If you do go back further you'd have seen that I have responded to specific "evidence" when it's been raised, and the general response feels like "You're an idiot if you don't believe in fraud, the evidence is obvious, extensive and incontrovertible." and I'll tell you right now, if I thought I had that kind of evidence against a politician I thought was ruining my country, and no one else was doing anything with it, I would file suit.
The childish "hurr durr" shit aside, this is a discussion about fraud. Specifically about the existence/value of evidence, and the disconnect between people's claims there and their actions.As a metaphor... I posted a lot about the Tigray War in Ethiopia. It'd be akin to Megadeath stumbling in and instead of discussing the issue (as you do on discussion forums) going: "Durrr if you care so much, why don't you grab a rifle and some cans of food and go help them!"
The appropriate response, would be some variation of "Shut the fuck up if you don't want to talk about it. Why go to Africa when you can eat my ass and I'll help feed you instead?
Like this is a discussion forum. We're here tobitch and whinediscuss stuff so if some asshole responds to your arguments that "Durrr why don't you create a new national movement or move to Mongolia you lazy fuck!" just tell them to piss off, they don't know you or what you do. Lest they drag you into the weird tangent Megadeath just did which is meant to siderail the discussion and whose main point is to give Megadeath enough room to insult people because he can't get his smug sociopathic hate boner off on SB without running afoul of fifty rules
Let me ask you a couple direct questions:
Do you believe there's evidence the election was stolen?
Do you believe that evidence is strong enough to hold up in a court of law?
Have you considered that up and moving out of the country is not financially, or economically, feasible for many of us, regardless of what we think of the election?
Have you also considered we do not think leaving the country will actually protect us if the Biden regime wants to have a go at us for 'wrongthink', due to America's global reach?
Have you considered some of us have family obligations that mean we cannot just leave the country, even if we feel we are living in the corpse of the Republic?
You are high on ideology, short on practicality.
bintananth
behind a desk
If you can get a salary comparable to what you can get in the US while living abroad in a country where the cost of living is much lower you are better off for doing so. With the US and several other countries many foreign people are willing to risk everything just to get one of the shit jobs the locals don't want to do because the pay is much higher than what they could get at home.
I'm sorry. I'm here to discuss and learn about Biden's policy actions. Not election fraud like I intimated earlier since IIRC we have an Election Fraud thread. I don't even recall implying I wanted to talk about election fraud despite your whimsical desires to talk about anything but the topic of this thread. 🤷♀️
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Megadeath
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Considered the first point, but that would be something that would make leaving unpleasant and hard, not impossible.
The second point I didn't consider, because it seems kinda insanely paranoid. I'm pretty sure that even if we accept the worst claims anyone is making about the biden administration they have better things to do than mount international black ops to silence the voice of dissent of random private individuals.
I'd think obligations to dependents would be more reason to leave the country and take them with you, rather than a reason to stay. I can't imagine any family obligations that would convince me to live in the kind of dystopian fascism some people are describing, but maybe that's just a limit of my imagination.
Wasn't me that bought it up in the first place and you sure seemed happy to discuss a bunch of unrelated stuff as an excuse to insult me, but if you're done with that and don't have anything else to add to the discussion okay.
So you ignore the practicalities again in favor of your ideological position.
You didn't consider it because you aren't someone it would be aimed against.
And they don't need to use black ops teams to make the lives of expats who left for political reasons miserable.
There are such things as family obligations to non-dependents and relatives, some of whom may not share the same political views or belief the election was stolen by Biden, and thus who see no reason to leave.
You have a very simplistic view of this whole thing, and your claim that we don't actually believe the election was stolen because we aren't acting how you think we should, just shows you really do not understand the actual mindsets and realities faced by people on the Right.
As I said before, your view is high ideology, low in practicality and reality.
Airedale260
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His party just got slapped down hard in the midterms, and as Cherico pointed out, that means he lost any hope of being able to have the constitution amended.
He basically got in due to mass dissatisfaction with the established parties but because he has proven to be incompetent, corrupt, and authoritarian, he's toast politically.
An outright war means that all trade with China stops. At that point it means all hope of profit in China is completely gone.
DarthOne
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What a surprise, Biden is a blundering, doddering embarrassment when he's not in a completely controlled environment.
None of the Democrats thought about this at all when they pushed for Biden. Not a one.
DarthOne
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What a surprise, Biden is a blundering, doddering embarrassment when he's not in a completely controlled environment.
None of the Democrats thought about this at all when they pushed for Biden. Not a one.
Probably because they're waiting to get rid of him and put Kamala into the Presidency.
With politicians, sometimes it can just be stupidity, but it's often better not to blindly assume that and try to find other angles.
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DarthOne
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I doubt the people who were really pushing to get him in were only really concerned with how easy it would be to control him. I'm halfway tempted to report him as a case of elder abuse. Seriously.
Oh, and:
Are we sure this isn't just typical 'stuff to bring up' notes? I seem to remember Trump having those as well, with the fact his were hand-written being something the media brought up or something?
I mean, we all know Biden isn't all there in the head, but let's not jump the gun here and give more ammunition to the opposition to say that we've got double standards.
MEGA PWN! How will Putin recover?!
Looks like he returned the Crystal Skull to the Soviets though.
Hopefully Putin wears the Aviators next time he takes question about one of his allies allegedly hijacks/shoots down an airliner.
No idea what Putin gave Biden. Fill in your answers below.
Looks like he returned the Crystal Skull to the Soviets though.
Hopefully Putin wears the Aviators next time he takes question about one of his allies allegedly hijacks/shoots down an airliner.
No idea what Putin gave Biden. Fill in your answers below.
bintananth
behind a desk
Yeah, it's really nothing special. He's not taking a closed book exam and bringing note cards to an open book exam* where you aren't told the questions beforehand is standard practice practically everywhere.
* which is basically what a press conference is.
His definitely are where he is given the questions before hand
bintananth
behind a desk
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The people giving him the notes either knew what questions would be asked beforehand or were very good at guessing. The only way it's different from any other press conference is that the person on the podium was the US President.
Most likely the former