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Ot is an astounding amount actually. Korea Taiwan and Japan are all major. Vietnam also.
There are plenty more.
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Ot is an astounding amount actually. Korea Taiwan and Japan are all major. Vietnam also.
There are plenty more.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
How are they compared to China though? Specifically from the perspective of those who will be making the decision of whether or not to defend Taiwan?
Megadeath
Well-known member
I don't think "easily" enters into it if things are actually as bad as some are catastrophising it to be. If the entire judiciary and executive are a sham, democracy is dead and gone, the government cares nothing for the rule of law, and they have eeeeeevil plans to kidnap all the little boys and girls and flip their genders, and force everyone who isn't a gay, black communist into slavery, I think you're well past the point where it's reasonable to worry how easy it is.
As for where to go, that's obviously a fairly individualistic issue. Some obvious choices would be Ireland, RoK, Israel or Russia. But surely anywhere is better than the fascist dystopia of corporate control and kleptocracy I hear America is or will inevitably be.
It's not really a good comparison between the left wingers who were upset about trump and the right wingers upset now. The former were upset and ashamed to share a nation with so many people who support trump. They thought about leaving, or semi-joked about it at least, but instead turned out in record numbers to make sure he lost the next election. The people I'm confused about here don't (think) they have that option 'coz uniparty/controlled opposition/cheating democrats/evil cabal puppet masters, and also believe the present government is inimical to their interests, their way of life or even their continued life and liberty. In other words, it's bad, it's only going to get worse, and there's nothing they can do about it. But they're not going to do anything about it or leave because it isn't easy? That's a whole new level of stupid or lazy.
Speaking of Fascist Dystopias that the Left Leaning Mainstream News never believed in...
Donald Trump is Indeed a Fascist - The Sacramento Bee
This is Fascism - The New Republic
Authoritarianism Expert: Time Is Running Out for Americans to Stop Trump - Business Insider
It is frightening to think we could be entering the civil war mode, where one side is armed with ideas, and the other is armed with weapons. - Literary Hub
Trumps Rushmore Speech is the Closest He's Come to Fascism - Foreign Policy
Post-Truth is Pre-Fascism - New York Times
“Is Trump a Nazi?” can be answered in the clear negative, the answer to the question of whether Trump is a fascist is, it depends. - New York Magazine
This Is How Fascism Comes to America - Washington Post
Donald Trump is a Fascist - Slate
The Post-Fascism of Donald Trump - Washington Post
Donald Trump... he's a neo-fascist - The Daily Beast
Is It Time to Call Trump a Fascist? - Washington Post
How Fascism Works for a Nation Under Trump - The Guardian
Yes the Left Wingers Upset about Trump were merely upset... they didn't think Trump was trying to create a Government inimical to their interests, way of life or continued life and liberty.
Donald Trump is Indeed a Fascist - The Sacramento Bee
This is Fascism - The New Republic
Authoritarianism Expert: Time Is Running Out for Americans to Stop Trump - Business Insider
It is frightening to think we could be entering the civil war mode, where one side is armed with ideas, and the other is armed with weapons. - Literary Hub
Trumps Rushmore Speech is the Closest He's Come to Fascism - Foreign Policy
Post-Truth is Pre-Fascism - New York Times
“Is Trump a Nazi?” can be answered in the clear negative, the answer to the question of whether Trump is a fascist is, it depends. - New York Magazine
This Is How Fascism Comes to America - Washington Post
Donald Trump is a Fascist - Slate
The Post-Fascism of Donald Trump - Washington Post
Donald Trump... he's a neo-fascist - The Daily Beast
Is It Time to Call Trump a Fascist? - Washington Post
How Fascism Works for a Nation Under Trump - The Guardian
Yes the Left Wingers Upset about Trump were merely upset... they didn't think Trump was trying to create a Government inimical to their interests, way of life or continued life and liberty.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Half or more of cutting edge microchip manufacture is done in Taiwan. That, all by itself, and all of the industries dependent on it, is an enormous portion of economic output and wealth.
Also, unlike export markets to buy your stuff, or raw materials to feed your factories, that is very difficult infrastructure to replace, as in building a new factory to produce that stuff takes 3-4 years from start to production beginning to roll off of the lines.
Odds are just about nil that the Chinese would take those factories intact, much less capture the extremely skilled personnel who operate them. In the case of an invasion, such people are almost certainly going to be evacuated to the US post-haste, and factories will be built as soon as possible, but...
That will be 3-4 years where the supply is drastically choked off, and that'll have knock-on effects on literally everything.
Megadeath
Well-known member
Uh huh... What's your point, exactly? I'm not going to read through every article ever written comparing Trump to Hitler, but a quick skim doesn't seem to show a lot of talk about how "This is the end, and nothing can ever be done about it!"
Regardless, if I say that one group of people are acting in a way that seems idiotic and inexplicable, and your response is to just shout "What about..?" while pointing at other stupidity, it seems like we're in agreement that the behaviour is in fact idiotic? It wouldn't surprise me at all if you could find some article, blog post etc. where someone on the left does decry it as the beginning of the end but even then, that doesn't actually explain or mitigate the issue. So, other than the startling revelation that there are idiots on either side of the political divide, what is your point?
3-4 years with a micro-chip shortage is a damn sight better to most people than risking nuclear war with China to defend Taiwan.
I don't agree with it, but I do understand where people who feel that way are coming from.
yeah, but their interests is a fascist state they control with a boot on all their inferiors. And, well, they lie and project. Accuse your enemies of what you do. What is this all supposed to prove then?
edit: apologies, I didn't see who you were responding to and took this argument incorrectly.
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Terthna
Professional Lurker
Fascinating; and microchip manufacturing impacts a lot of other industries. That does make me a bit more hopeful that our elites (even those bought and paid for by the CPP) will decide to defend Taiwan.
Bigking321
Well-known member
I wish we would just build the damn factories here so we wouldn't have to worry about suddenly losing our supply.
Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
That's actually something Congress just allotted around 60 billion bucks to do just last week
Bigking321
Well-known member
Well, as much as I despise the government and expect a huge amount of corruption and waste, I can support that in a bipartisan way.
What you seem to be misunderstanding, is that what half the people on this board believe is that much like a captain, it's their duty to go with their ship, even if it means a watery grave.
Your gut reaction may tell you to move if say, things in Australia don't go the way you want, but if that's the case, you probably would want European style social democracy and their isn't exactly a shortage of those for you to worry about.
What conservatives want is an American style Constitutional republic which respects conservative American values and liberties while maintaining a fair standard of living and if you could point us in a direction to were one of those is at, we would be very appreciative.
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Terthna
Professional Lurker
As for those of use who aren't conservatives, there's still things we like about America that cannot be found anywhere else; like freedom of speech for example, or a legal system that is (supposed to be) built on the precept of innocent until proven guilty. Other countries may claim to have those things, but every single one fails to measure up to their promises when placed under any amount of scrutiny.
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LordsFire
Internet Wizard
I wasn't making a point about cost relative to nuclear war, I was making a point about cost of losing Taiwan as a business partner vs cost of losing China as a business partner.
Says the random person telling people he disagrees with to move to South Korea and Israel in a Biden Policy thread in a discussion tangent supposedly about election fraud.
Like seriously, it's obvious my point was to run counter to this claim.
Congratulations to Terthna... apparently the random postings on a small internet forum are basically the equivalent of the Washington Post and New York Times. Like there's a lot of screeching from both sides on social media this should be nothing new and yet Megadeath is treating it as some sort of exception that is occurring on The Sietch.
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You do know the chip market affects nearly every market in modern society right?
My post was in response to 'Megadeath' who instead of discussing issues on a discussion forum, apparently decided to take the aberrant tack of bullying people, trying to find roundabout ways of insulting them and mocking them, and telling them they should move to de facto ethnostates like Israel and Korea.
Like looking back in the thread a few pages (I ain't looking back all ninty eight of them) Terthna was talking about election fraud and instead of discussing the merits or stupidity of it on the evidence or lack thereof, Megadeath started a tangent of discussion which ignored that topic and was like "Durrrr maybe you should file a lawsuit!" which then went to "Your apathetic and lazy, Move to Israel" and for some reason people are actually responding to those deflections like they're somehow legitimate points instead of pathetically bullying ad homs and other deflections.
As a metaphor... I posted a lot about the Tigray War in Ethiopia. It'd be akin to Megadeath stumbling in and instead of discussing the issue (as you do on discussion forums) going: "Durrr if you care so much, why don't you grab a rifle and some cans of food and go help them!"
The appropriate response, would be some variation of "Shut the fuck up if you don't want to talk about it. Why go to Africa when you can eat my ass and I'll help feed you instead?
" (or perhaps something more nuanced if you prefer so as not to run afoul of either the rules or proper forum ettiquette)Like this is a discussion forum. We're here to
(Hypothetically speaking, I'm sure he's a wonderful human being).
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