United States Biden administration policies and actions - megathread

[Zachowon]

Does your dad live under a rock?

It was obvious who was more friendly to china from the beginning...

This is like voting for joe because you want to lower taxes and shrink the welfare state lol

Or beiliving he will keep frakking, get rid of student loan debt, raise minimum wage on a federal level etc etc

 

[Arch Dornan]

Social media at it's cringiest.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

I hope you're right about that.

For all its might, remember that a lot of China's soldiers are underpaid conscripts who probably don't want to be there. And in order for it to flex its superpower muscles, it must first pacify its neck of the woods. It'll have to fight the regional powerhouses of South Korea and Japan (one of whom has the second largest navy in the world), with the not exactly weak Taiwan likely joining in.

Then there's also India, dear god, India. Delhi will not tolerate Beijing's ascendancy. South East Asia is probably getting worried and their power is nothing to sneeze at either.

China is surrounded by people who would spend blood and treasure to stop it rising, and if it came to that, opportunistic Russia will take the opportunity to snuff out what could be a real problem.

And to top it all off, there are various ethnic groups in China who will jump at the chance to breakaway when the PLA is off fighting. China has so very many more problems than the West, which will materialise down the line.

 

[Zachowon]

For all its might, remember that a lot of China's soldiers are underpaid conscripts who probably don't want to be there. And in order for it to flex its superpower muscles, it must first pacify its neck of the woods. It'll have to fight the regional powerhouses of South Korea and Japan (one of whom has the second largest navy in the world), with the not exactly weak Taiwan likely joining in.

Then there's also India, dear god, India. Delhi will not tolerate Beijing's ascendancy. South East Asia is probably getting worried and their power is nothing to sneeze at either.

China is surrounded by people who would spend blood and treasure to stop it rising, and if it came to that, opportunistic Russia will take the opportunity to snuff out what could be a real problem.

And to top it all off, there are various ethnic groups in China who will jump at the chance to breakaway when the PLA is off fighting. China has so very many more problems than the West, which will materialise down the line.

And this is why I say war with China WILL happen. it is getting to big for its briches, and it will push to far out and too fast. Taiwan is the only one that could possibly use to get with thier military, but with India and Japan being thier biggest enemies besides the US in the area.
China and Korea both N and S have somewhat of a good relationship. Though from talking with ROK Officers and KATUSA's the people seem to not like China as much as members of their giverbment, and theyhave been trying to get further away from China.
Korea has thier own issue to the North and would probrably have to deal with them AND China.

 

[Arch Dornan]

For all its might, remember that a lot of China's soldiers are underpaid conscripts who probably don't want to be there. And in order for it to flex its superpower muscles, it must first pacify its neck of the woods. It'll have to fight the regional powerhouses of South Korea and Japan (one of whom has the second largest navy in the world), with the not exactly weak Taiwan likely joining in.

Then there's also India, dear god, India. Delhi will not tolerate Beijing's ascendancy. South East Asia is probably getting worried and their power is nothing to sneeze at either.

China is surrounded by people who would spend blood and treasure to stop it rising, and if it came to that, opportunistic Russia will take the opportunity to snuff out what could be a real problem.

And to top it all off, there are various ethnic groups in China who will jump at the chance to breakaway when the PLA is off fighting. China has so very many more problems than the West, which will materialise down the line.

You described China like a poor version of Germany with unfriendly neighbours on all sides.

 

[Zachowon]

You described China like a poor version of Germany with unfriendly neighbours on all sides.

They want to eb Germany form World War 2, but successful.

 

[LordsFire]

They want to eb Germany form World War 2, but successful.

They don't even have that much going for them. Part of why Germany was so successful in the early phases of WWII, is because the nations of Europe (mostly) expected to be treated in a civilized way when they surrendered.

The neighbors of China have no illusion regarding how the CCP would treat them, and that makes an occupation *extremely* difficult, especially against Vietnam.

 

[Arch Dornan]

They want to eb Germany form World War 2, but successful.

Their PLA isn't even like the Germans. Their one child policy has fucked their birth rate too.

 

[Rocinante]

They don't even have that much going for them. Part of why Germany was so successful in the early phases of WWII, is because the nations of Europe (mostly) expected to be treated in a civilized way when they surrendered.

The neighbors of China have no illusion regarding how the CCP would treat them, and that makes an occupation *extremely* difficult, especially against Vietnam.

The first 5 countries Hitler invaded didn't even fight back. They just let Germany in. They wanted to be part of Germany again.

I agree, China Definitely won't have this advantage.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

The neighbors of China have no illusion regarding how the CCP would treat them, and that makes an occupation *extremely* difficult, especially against Vietnam.

The only way China could win such a conflict is if they get to fight their enemies one at a time, which just isn't going to happen. I think they'd lose even without US intervention.

 

[LordsFire]

The only way China could win such a conflict is if they get to fight their enemies one at a time, which just isn't going to happen. I think they'd lose even without US intervention.

I think it's more likely they'd lose than not, but I'm too aware of how rapidly things can change, and how often they can go against expectations, to be certain of it.

They are a large and powerful nation, and if they manage to leverage their strengths and minimize their weaknesses, they could do a hell of a lot of damage.

But, if they get hit where they're weak instead, they'll fold like a house of cards.

 

[BlackDragon98]

I think Chinese competence reared its ugly head. The virus was probably a research project for something else, all being on the sketchy side, and the Chinese being as competent as the Soviets were in their initial nuclear program (such as handling plutonium with their bare hands) resulted in the virus escaping into Wuhan proper.

Could have been a lab animal that was sold on the exotic meat market by an employee of the lab for a few extra yuans. . .
In fact, that the most likely scenario given all the evidence we have.

For all its might, remember that a lot of China's soldiers are underpaid conscripts who probably don't want to be there. And in order for it to flex its superpower muscles, it must first pacify its neck of the woods. It'll have to fight the regional powerhouses of South Korea and Japan (one of whom has the second largest navy in the world), with the not exactly weak Taiwan likely joining in.

Then there's also India, dear god, India. Delhi will not tolerate Beijing's ascendancy. South East Asia is probably getting worried and their power is nothing to sneeze at either.

China is surrounded by people who would spend blood and treasure to stop it rising, and if it came to that, opportunistic Russia will take the opportunity to snuff out what could be a real problem.

And to top it all off, there are various ethnic groups in China who will jump at the chance to breakaway when the PLA is off fighting. China has so very many more problems than the West, which will materialise down the line.

Chinese don't use conscription. I mean, they have the laws for it, but there are enough volunteers that they never have to use it.
But with all big armies, they have the problem of their military not being uniform.
Some elite units will be inherently better than others while low grade units will be absolute crap.

 

[Zachowon]

They don't even have that much going for them. Part of why Germany was so successful in the early phases of WWII, is because the nations of Europe (mostly) expected to be treated in a civilized way when they surrendered.

The neighbors of China have no illusion regarding how the CCP would treat them, and that makes an occupation *extremely* difficult, especially against Vietnam.

Oh I know. They want to be like nazi germany, and be the world power, own the world. THe issue? THey have a LOT of enemies

The only way China could win such a conflict is if they get to fight their enemies one at a time, which just isn't going to happen. I think they'd lose even without US intervention.

I think it's more likely they'd lose than not, but I'm too aware of how rapidly things can change, and how often they can go against expectations, to be certain of it.

They are a large and powerful nation, and if they manage to leverage their strengths and minimize their weaknesses, they could do a hell of a lot of damage.

But, if they get hit where they're weak instead, they'll fold like a house of cards.

They would win as they have a LOT of areas they can leverage for theemselves. They can distract Japan and Korea with the NOrskies, then focus on Vietnam and India, should either get invovled, and then have Taiwan to themselves without US support.

 

[Typhonis]

China has a problem, though. They are The One Child policy fucked them over and it's only a matter of time before it sucker punches them.

 

[Zachowon]

China has a problem, though. They are The One Child policy fucked them over and it's only a matter of time before it sucker punches them.

Apperently they are also Picky as fuck with thier soldiers.
Even the US isnt that Picky

 

[BlackDragon98]

Apperently they are also Picky as fuck with thier soldiers.
Even the US isnt that Picky

Chinese rations taste like plastic shit apparently.
-10% morale

 

[Zachowon]

Chinese rations taste like plastic shit apparently.
-10% morale

Apperently, the US field food (Not MREs) is better then korean field food

 

[LordsFire]

They would win as they have a LOT of areas they can leverage for theemselves. They can distract Japan and Korea with the NOrskies, then focus on Vietnam and India, should either get invovled, and then have Taiwan to themselves without US support.

If China goes into a hot war against India, they won't have any attention to spare to deal with anyone else. It's the only other nation out there large enough to win in a raw numbers match, and they can near-trivially cripple Chinese oil imports.

And the Indians are very, very unlikely to fold quickly, especially as basically every non-Chinese arms manufacturer in the world will be happily selling the Indians every weapon they could ever want.

 

[Zachowon]

If China goes into a hot war against India, they won't have any attention to spare to deal with anyone else. It's the only other nation out there large enough to win in a raw numbers match, and they can near-trivially cripple Chinese oil imports.

And the Indians are very, very unlikely to fold quickly, especially as basically every non-Chinese arms manufacturer in the world will be happily selling the Indians every weapon they could ever want.

That is very true. They may try to keep peace there while they head east

 

[Lord Sovereign]

If China goes into a hot war against India, they won't have any attention to spare to deal with anyone else. It's the only other nation out there large enough to win in a raw numbers match, and they can near-trivially cripple Chinese oil imports.

And the Indians are very, very unlikely to fold quickly, especially as basically every non-Chinese arms manufacturer in the world will be happily selling the Indians every weapon they could ever want.

Not to mention, as I understand it, the Indian officer corps isn't quite as "political" as the Chinese officer corps. IE, merit counts a bit more to the Indians than party loyalty.

China gets wrecked in a war with India, especially if India can hold the Himalayas. The only way I could see around that is if the Chinese played off long standing Pakistani hatred for India and got them to attack through Kashmir or Gujurat, but I don't think Pakistan and China are best buddies.