United States Biden administration policies and actions - megathread
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Megadeath
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So, a plan can't benefit everyone at once so it's bad? If you're stationed overseas then you're not exactly going to be feeling the tremendous hurt that comes from paying 20c extra for a quarter pounder. On the other hand, nearly a million people, who are doing their best, and working a job but still living in poverty will be lifted out of it. Do you really need a slightly higher standard of living more than they need to be able to put a roof over their families head, and food on their table?
I mean, it's not like this is aimed at free loaders or even actual legitimate welfare recipients. This is helping the people who are trying to do their best. The single mumsmums to Who go from a day shift at a cafe to night shift at a restaurant, or the guy who lost his job because of increased automation and can't find anything better right now to keep his family going than cashiering at McDonald's.
Doomsought
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Poverty is the lowest level of wealth that exists among people who work. It is be definition impossible to eliminate poverty. All you can do is increase the quality of life of a person who is in poverty, and in America that quality of life is good enough that you cannot get me to pity the impoverished.
AnimalNoodles
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If I were black I would vote democrat, because they deliver the booty. I just wish the 'conservative' parties would deliver the goodies for people like myself.
Bear Ribs
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Almost a million will be lifted out of poverty. Almost a million and a half will lose their jobs entirely. The cost appears higher than the benefit on a pure numbers basis.
One thing I think we need is some sort of minimum wage adjustment for the under 21 crowd. Minimum age is always put into these terms of somebody working 60 hours an week and their family still starving, never highschool kids working a summer job to earn money for their first car. The two are fundamentally very different and adjustments designed around the family breadwinner always hose the kid wanting a car for her senior year.
So those high school kids deserve to make 15 dollars an hour with no experience?
Also, I make roughly, 4 to 5 dollars an hours a salary, and I am currently making LESS this year because of taxes being taken out of my pay.
Also, how many businesses can pay their works 15 dollars an hour?
This has already been enacted. The 1996 amendments to the FLSA created a "youth minimum wage" of just $4.25 an hour for employees under age 20 for up to 90 consecutive calendar days.
Not sure what kind of car anyone thinks you're "saving up for" at that rate, though.
LindyAF
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You can get a decent car for like 4K, so that's ~1,000 hrs. Working 20 hrs/week (part time), that's about a year, so four summers. A bit steep but doesn't seem ridiculous?
Abhishekm
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Yeah how does that work anyway? I never got military pay, any military. Like they file room and board as part of the compensation or something? And no hazard pay or overtime at all obviously. But like with the number of government sector unions you'd think someone would get the idea to appeal to that final government union frontier.
So, I have federal taxes come out of it, state taxes depending on the state.
I get around 300 something taken out for meal card, as in the DFAC.
Everything else is a standard base pay, they can add more if need be. Like adding COLA or Hazard depending on area.
We get a yearly uniform pay.
But thats about it. Nothing extra. Free Healthcare is a bonus though
Terthna
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Poverty | Definition, Causes, Types, & Facts
Poverty, the state of one who lacks a usual or socially acceptable amount of money or material possessions. Poverty is said to exist when people lack the means to satisfy their basic needs. Learn more about types and causes of poverty in this article.
Poverty doesn't really have anything to do with whether someone is working or not; it just denotes someone who "lacks a usual or socially acceptable amount of money or material possessions". Or, in other words, a person that "lack the means to satisfy their basic needs". Think people who cannot afford socks for the winter, and end up losing their toes because of it; because that actually happens in this country. I should know; I've met them.
strunkenwhite
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The number of people who go from under the line to over it isn't the sum of people who would be helped by the proposed minimum wage.
1.4 million jobs lost.
0.9 million workers currently below poverty line move above it.
Idk if you realized this but losing your job will land you in poverty pretty quickly.
If This would move .9 million people above poverty who are currently below it, while losing 1.4 million jobs. Congratulations, you just actually increased the total people in poverty by 500,000. You just switched around who's in poverty a bit.
So you create more poverty, While raising the defecit by 54 billion, and labor costs by 330 billion.
To top it all off, now everyone who didn't get a raise is now more poor because as prices go up, they have even less buying power.
This plan makes the whole country over all more poor.
It's fucking stupid. Of course leftists support it.
The thing that's getting ignored here is that minimum wage was never meant to represent any kind of living wage. The type of jobs that pay it are typically the kind of low skill jobs that a high school student could work. The real issue is when people who aren't in high school or just out of it are working those types of jobs, and just raising the minimum wage won't do anything to address that problem. In fact, it won't do anything to address any kind of a problem, because all it will do is end up raiding the prices on everything else, and everyone working minimum wage jobs will be right back where they started, not making a "living wage."
Bear Ribs
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The number of people fired also aren't the sum of people harmed. All prices will raise on all goods and services so pretty much everyone is going to suffer.
We've already seen stores closing because of state-mandated pay increases. Which stores go? The ones with the smaller margins. Small business get hosed, especially the small businesses that server poorer neighborhoods since they have to have lower prices and slimmer margins to support their community.
The traditional bastions of minimum wage are grocery stores and restaurants, both of which tend towards razor-thin margins. Hitting them means a loss of jobs, and more importantly a loss of business. We're going to get more food deserts as it becomes harder for poor people to reach a store, or afford food. We're also going to see inexpensive restaurants either switch entirely to robotic stores (McDonald's is already doing this) or turn into high-end restaurants for the wealthy, cutting out the smaller operations and making eating anything except McGarbage too expensive for the poor and middle class.
Abhishekm
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Also wouldn't that 1.4 million be an increase to current numbers? Like not 1.4 million during regular times but an additional 1.4 million during a rather serious recession? Weren't the majority of jobs lost already in the minimum wage service or small business sectors?
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LordsFire
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One of the stupid things about 'raising minimum wage,' is that there's a much better way to increase wages.
Cut taxes and regulation.
Lower taxes=more people keeping more of their money, and thus spending it on various things, which stimulates the economy, and results in more demand for labor, which drives the economy up. Cutting the cost of the regulatory burden does likewise.
In short, if you cut taxes and regulation, you get all the benefits a hike to minimum wage is supposed to bring, with none of the drawbacks.
Except for one. That drawback is that it doesn't give the people in government more power and control over your lives, particularly by not expanding the class of people dependent upon the government's largesse to live. When a politician says they're in favor of raising minimum wage, they aren't saying they want you to have a better life. They're saying one of three things:
1. They have no idea how economics work.
2. They want you to become a permanent serf who exchanges government support for a vote.
3. Both of the above.
Cut taxes and regulation.
Lower taxes=more people keeping more of their money, and thus spending it on various things, which stimulates the economy, and results in more demand for labor, which drives the economy up. Cutting the cost of the regulatory burden does likewise.
In short, if you cut taxes and regulation, you get all the benefits a hike to minimum wage is supposed to bring, with none of the drawbacks.
Except for one. That drawback is that it doesn't give the people in government more power and control over your lives, particularly by not expanding the class of people dependent upon the government's largesse to live. When a politician says they're in favor of raising minimum wage, they aren't saying they want you to have a better life. They're saying one of three things:
1. They have no idea how economics work.
2. They want you to become a permanent serf who exchanges government support for a vote.
3. Both of the above.
strunkenwhite
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I object to equating that situation with the proposed minimum wage hike. The implementation in that case was retarded on every level. For example, Krogers was hit with it but Walmart wasn't.
The link seems to be paywalled for me, but the glimpses I got seem to be much less than entirely robotic stores. Do you have another source for McDonald's realistically switching to completely automated stores?
On the damage, I suspect it's being oversold. Either way, we will hopefully be able to figure out whose predictions were more accurate: even if Democrats falter, Florida is already committing to the experiment.
It actually wouldn't be that hard to switch fast food joints like McDonalds over to automation. Computers are already pretty good at taking orders and handling payment, and it really wouldn't be that hard to automate cooking and assembly either. The main reason they haven't done it so far is that this would be costly. So the more expensive labor becomes, the more cost-effective automation becomes, because while they'll still have to have people give the machines materials, and regularly clean and maintain them, this will be a lot less than a typical place has now, and it will be easier to justify paying these fewer people a higher wage to do that kind of work.