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Marduk

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This film series might need more studio meddling. He apparently cut out ten minutes of Avatar 2 due to it having too much gun violence.



Then he apparently womped about how thankful he feels living in New Zealand instead of returning the millions of dollars he made fetishizing guns in movies in the very culture that now makes him sick to his stomach. Sad.

The silly gun control propaganda has messed up the brains of US progressives so hard that they are beginning to see guns like the Japanese see nukes or medieval knights saw crossbows.
Another nail to the coffin of Hollywood.
 

Seras

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I haven't watched it yet. (Still not planning on it.) But RobotHead pointing out that humanity already has effective immortality at this stage being able to clone bodies of an entirely new species and transferring their consciousness into that, means there is no reason for them to hunt the whales at all.

God dammit James Cameron. You used to be good. You used to have someone actually proofread your fucking scripts. Why are all these big directors in charge of massive projects having zero oversite on their scripts anymore? There used to be people that would read through a script and say "This makes no fucking sense you moron." Reviving Quartrich, which was a character I liked in Avatar until the end of the script where he suddenly went from competent soldier to frothing madman, ruins so much.

In the last movie the concern was power. They needed unobtanium to keep the fuckin lights on. Now it's immortality!? When they already have that? And as was pointed out, Navi go from unable to damage human machines with their bows. To piercing armored glass with each shot to murder pilots and kicking an entire armys ass. To now being unable to resist against a fishing boat?

Fuckin christ. This entire series has no fuckin continuity. It's just whatever fancy shots Cameron thinks will look best.
 

Sailor.X

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I haven't watched it yet. (Still not planning on it.) But RobotHead pointing out that humanity already has effective immortality at this stage being able to clone bodies of an entirely new species and transferring their consciousness into that, means there is no reason for them to hunt the whales at all.

God dammit James Cameron. You used to be good. You used to have someone actually proofread your fucking scripts. Why are all these big directors in charge of massive projects having zero oversite on their scripts anymore? There used to be people that would read through a script and say "This makes no fucking sense you moron." Reviving Quartrich, which was a character I liked in Avatar until the end of the script where he suddenly went from competent soldier to frothing madman, ruins so much.

In the last movie the concern was power. They needed unobtanium to keep the fuckin lights on. Now it's immortality!? When they already have that? And as was pointed out, Navi go from unable to damage human machines with their bows. To piercing armored glass with each shot to murder pilots and kicking an entire armys ass. To now being unable to resist against a fishing boat?

Fuckin christ. This entire series has no fuckin continuity. It's just whatever fancy shots Cameron thinks will look best.
Humanity could go full on Cybertronian. And be effectively immortal. I repeat we can go full on Cybertronian!!!!! James Cameron's Brain is broken.
 

Agent23

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God dammit James Cameron. You used to be good. You used to have someone actually proofread your fucking scripts. Why are all these big directors in charge of massive projects having zero oversite on their scripts anymore? There used to be people that would read through a script and say "This makes no fucking sense you moron." Reviving Quartrich, which was a character I liked in Avatar until the end of the script where he suddenly went from competent soldier to frothing madman, ruins so much.

Allegedly he stole Terminator from Harlan Ellison.

Titanic was crap.

His other stuff, well no idea.
 

Syzygy

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I haven't watched it yet. (Still not planning on it.) But RobotHead pointing out that humanity already has effective immortality at this stage being able to clone bodies of an entirely new species and transferring their consciousness into that, means there is no reason for them to hunt the whales at all.
That's a one-way street to wearing a blue fursuit for the rest of your life, and only that extra life because the planet is gatekeeping hard. All the recoms are hollow men; it's memory uploading, not mind uploading. So unless the super rich are fine with a furry running around living their new life while they wither, or die in the process, true immortality is confined to sipping whale juice. Stupid, but it doesn't break anything.

I'll laugh at cameron while he laughs all the way to the bank, but I will give credit where credit is due: the whole film is a side plot, and works as a side plot. Predictable, but not offensive, as is most of cameron's schlock. It's not even a detour from "muh corporate capitalism, muh space cowboys and indians" because the mining is still there, just out of focus. Rather it's one ship bankrolled by private investors looking for exotic adrenochrome. Lame, but that's the story he wanted to tell. Good on cameron for adding some diversity to the crew; got a chuckle out of me seeing the only asian in the film hunting whales.

And honestly, the ISV landing scene would be worth the price of admission if I had actually paid. Can't wait for the third film showing suspiciously pale space cats shooting up their blue peers with human tech. Gonna laugh if they're also "atheists" that reject the planet's genius loci.
 

Husky_Khan

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If they can make custom blue cat people bodies and transfer their consciousness into them, why couldn't they make custom human bodies and transfer their consciousness into those?

Or turn Prisoners into custom whale people and then hunt them for brain juice.
 

ParadiseLost

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This film series might need more studio meddling. He apparently cut out ten minutes of Avatar 2 due to it having too much gun violence.

Then he apparently womped about how thankful he feels living in New Zealand instead of returning the millions of dollars he made fetishizing guns in movies in the very culture that now makes him sick to his stomach. Sad.

This is just stupid. I watch action movies for the violence. Its fun to watch a fit, determined man shoot through a bunch of enemies, John Wick or Terminator style.

There are very few actions movies that I can genuinely say I would watch just for the philosophy or ideas... and those tend to be the most violent of all. Think Fight Club or Total Recall.

God dammit James Cameron. You used to be good. You used to have someone actually proofread your fucking scripts. Why are all these big directors in charge of massive projects having zero oversite on their scripts anymore? There used to be people that would read through a script and say "This makes no fucking sense you moron."

This happens to all massively successful creators regardless of medium, at least to some extent. Eventually they become big enough to tell their editors to STFU, and then bloat and some level of decreased quality is practically inevitable.
 

Sailor.X

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Forget human bodies, stick my brain in an ISV with the crew and passenger quarters replaced by automated factories for teleoperated robot bodies.
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Then pay Pandora another visit. And this time you don't play nice.
 

Syzygy

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Forget human bodies, stick my brain in an ISV with the crew and passenger quarters replaced by automated factories for teleoperated robot bodies.
Why waste the money on mind uploading instead of just programming an a.i.?
 

Jormungandr

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Why waste the money on mind uploading instead of just programming an a.i.?
You know, that'd be a kickass crossover?

Someone watches an old sci-movie called "The Terminator". He then gets the bright idea to use the remaining unobtanium stocks to create room temperature superconductor CPUs.

Hundreds are deployed to Pandora, and they just wipe out anything that moves. No support needed except ammunition drops, no breath masks...
 

Val the Moofia Boss

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Just got back from the movie. Glad I dodged spoilers.

9/10 Great


First, see this movie in IMAX 3D on a real IMAX screen with a digital laser. The movie looks amazing! You are really doing yourself a diservice if you see it in theaters in any other format. Was well worth the drive. I'd go see it a second time if I could. Definitely getting this on Blu Ray.

The movie also made me smile, like when Tuk feeds the Ilu. The Tarzan scene with the shark had me on the edge of my seat.

Second, the soundtrack. Certain parts were really suspenseful, but there wasn't any "wow" music that I would want to download and add to my favorite's list like in the first movie.

Really loved the new creatures. The Illu are cute. The Skimwings are cool. The Tulkan are interesting. Sadly, the movie is light on new vehicles. The helicopters now look like LEGO toys rather than the grounded, Vietnam-esque vehicles we saw in the first movie. The crab mechs are okay. The real star of the show is the Seadragon.

I think the new environments are underwhelming. One of the things I really loved about the first movie was that you got to explore two fantasy environments: the bioluminsicent rainforest/jungle, and the floating mountains. In this movie, there aren't really any new fantasy environments. Much of the movie is set underwater and at coral reefs, but there is nothing particularly unique about them. I suppose there was a split second shot where you saw floating coral reefs underwater, but that was it. The only new, distinctive fantasy location I can think of is the pink spirit tree that was underwater. I hope the third movie introduces new fantasy locations. Also disappointed that we only got to see the new human city, Bridgehead, for just 30 seconds. Hopefully we get to see more of it in movie #3.

The characters are much more likeable in this movie. In the first movie, it was hard to care about most of the human half of the cast. I didn't care about Norm or Max or Trudy or Grace. Only really cared about Sam, Quarritch, and Parker, but Sam becomes really unlikeable halfway through when he started derelicting his duty and then betrayed his people. In this movie, almost all of the characters are likeable.

I was pleasantly surprised that there wasn't anywhere near as much swearing as there was in the first movie.

That's what I can think of off of the top of my head. It's 3:34 AM so I should probably go to bed now. Can't wait for the third movie.



Miscellaneous thoughts:

  • I might be mistaken, but I believe that the Venture Star used antimatter to propel itself, so there would be a humongous radiation trail for the ships. At the start of the movie, when the spaceships lower into the atmosphere and scorch the earth before releasing the drop pods, wouldn't they be irradiating the landing zone? Or did the humans swap out the engines on the spaceship to something that wouldn't emit radiation? Would that have enough thrusting power to keep the ship flying in atmosphere and lift the payload?
  • Why don't the whalers harvest whale meat? They could use that meat to feed the growing population of Bridgehead. Tulkan ivory would also probably be really valuable too. Maybe harvesting brain-juice is just so much more profitable, but I'd imagine that there would still be a market for smaller whalers to follow the seadragon and harvest the leftover carcasses.
  • Is Spider going to live with the Sullys at the Metakyina's village from now one? If so, how is he supposed to eat if he can't take the mask off? Will the Metakyina's chief be fine with Jake having a hab helicoptered in just for Spider?
  • I wonder how Quarritch is going to explain to the general when he gets back to Bridgehead. "Yeah, not only did I lose our army and our base in the first movie, but I also lost my new team of Recoms AND lost your unbelieveably expensive whaling ground-effect carrier that is funding our expedition (hopefully we are still mining!). Also, I was tasked with suppressing the hostiles, but I went around antagonizing villages, so now there are probably more hostiles for you. No, I don't have anything to show for this."
  • Did any of the Seadragon's crew survive? Did Quarritch's second in command at least survive?
 
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Husky_Khan

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Has it flopped officially yet?

In spite of an opening lower then expected opening and overall box offices in the US and China initially, the movie apparently broke one billion fairly quickly. The international box office is really big for this film apparently and while people don't seem in a rush to see it, they are still apparently seeing it eventually. 🤷‍♀️

Plus all of those big IMAX and 3D and IMAX 3D tickets pushing the box office even higher.
 

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