Maybe the ash tribes have salamanders and wyverns. Could be cool to see, especially if they have some equivalent of hellhound.
Movies Avatar 2: Way of Water
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The Critical Drinker roundtable is discussing their reasons why Avatar 2 is still going strong, having apparently broke $1.5 billion and surpassing Top Gun: Maverick (though we are in 2023 now).
It broke two billion at the box office. Sixth film to get there. Second fastest to reach that number. Interestingly perhaps its box office in the United States and Canada was pretty meh at $600 million and under $250 million in China where it seemed to generally underperform... but everyone else like in Europe, the Asia-Pacific and India etc, it's been performing very, very well apparently.
Val the Moofia Boss
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I wonder if Avatar performing well outside of the US has more to do with the US being overexposed and inoculated to CGI fantasy movies, or if other countries are just more predisposed to like it.
Agent23
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Maybe, and there is also the pent-up demand and good visuals.
Have you seen Chinese movies for instance?
They have yuge amounts of bling and over the top effects.
TheRejectionist
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It broke two billion at the box office. Sixth film to get there. Second fastest to reach that number. Interestingly perhaps its box office in the United States and Canada was pretty meh at $600 million and under $250 million in China where it seemed to generally underperform... but everyone else like in Europe, the Asia-Pacific and India etc, it's been performing very, very well apparently.
These statements honestly surprise me because I haven't heard anyone talking about Avatar 2. Maybe is because except everyone is worried with exams ? Or maybe we just sail the high seas of the net? Or maybe nobody give a hoot about it ?
Maybe it's all them.
ThatZenoGuy
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I thought the film was better than the first one, but I didn't like the first one too much.
I personally think James Cameron has lost his skills, just compare older props in his films to Avatar props which can be very forgettable.
And just overall weird plot points and 'filler', dude removes 10 minutes of gunfights only to keep in an entire sub-plot of avatar bad dudes who ultimately do little in the film.
It's like having a second shark in the original Jaws who only eats one person then disappears, but removing 10 minutes of hunting the original shark.
I personally think James Cameron has lost his skills, just compare older props in his films to Avatar props which can be very forgettable.
And just overall weird plot points and 'filler', dude removes 10 minutes of gunfights only to keep in an entire sub-plot of avatar bad dudes who ultimately do little in the film.
It's like having a second shark in the original Jaws who only eats one person then disappears, but removing 10 minutes of hunting the original shark.
He's so focused on the technology behind the film that he's lost sight of actually making films, if that makes sense.
Ridley Scott is the same, though his problem is that his scripts and stories have become, well, too abstract.
Compare the original Alien back in 1979 and Alien: Covenant a few years back, for example.
ThatZenoGuy
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Have to agree entirely. Dude has BEAUTIFUL CGI but can't make a likeable protagonist. It's like throwing a dart bullseye at a pie eating competition.
I mean, the original Avatar was an amazing technological demonstration of new film-making techniques and upcoming technologies that eventually all became used in many more films in Hollywood.
The plot was Pocahontas and Dances with Wolves in space and with guns.
I mean, "throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks" can work -- the original C&C: Generals, for example, was basically built because Westwood's/EA's plans for a C&C3 game back then fell through multiple times.
So, their situation was that they had this then state-of-the-art 3D engine and no game.
They just began rush-brainstorming random shit based on the War on Terror, throwing it all to see what worked to cobble it together into a cohesive game.
I mean, at one point you had African Warlords with mutant soldiers and war chariots being pulled by lions, Mongolians with basically what China had, Russia ala Red Alert 2, and another faction I can't remember, heh.
The final result of this haphazard development was a game that's still being played in tournaments to this very day, 21 years later.
Typhonis
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I heard an interesting theory about Avatar. Ewya, the tree...is an alien intelligence and created the Na vi to study humanity. It then allowed the humans to land on Pandora to see how they would treat the natives.
Because there is no way in HELL the Na vi evolved naturally on Pandora.
Each of the cat people has a USB plug growing at the end of their hair that allows them to interface and control certain creatures. Thus they have to be a gene engineered species but the question is why...and was Sully to awe struck or ignorant not to report there was something off with the tree?
Because there is no way in HELL the Na vi evolved naturally on Pandora.
Each of the cat people has a USB plug growing at the end of their hair that allows them to interface and control certain creatures. Thus they have to be a gene engineered species but the question is why...and was Sully to awe struck or ignorant not to report there was something off with the tree?
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
In a way, that would explain why they look like us...
It is basically the panspermia theory made into movie.
Val the Moofia Boss
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That sounds impossible to me. It would require Ewya to have had prior knowledge of humanity, who hail from a completely different world and solar system. Unless you mean to say that Ewya somehow created a civilization the night the RDA landed and gave old men and women decades of false memories? In either case, the movies do like to play up Ewya as some sort of supernatural being, but having knowledge of humanity or the ability to create an entire race with a preexisting culture and memories overnight would make Ewya into an omniscient, omnipresent all powerful being, which then begs the question of why such an almighty being would have physical brain cells that can be destroyed (the trees and vegetation across Pandora).
According to the script (can't remember if this was in the movie), he did write a report about how the Na'vi revere the trees, but at that point he hadn't actually touched one of the two special trees yet (the Tree of Voices or the Well of Souls).
Pandora, and by extension everything on it, being bioengineered by some ancient, long-gone third-party? I can see it. Or at least Eywa being a bioengineered creation that went on to "evolve" everything else on the moon.
ThatZenoGuy
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It's a lot easier to lug big rocks at a planet than risk reentry and waste precious fuel by going into a standstill above said planet.
ThatZenoGuy
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Didn't they have shuttles for that in the first film?
Typhonis
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Allegedly those drop pods are forty stories tall. Roughly 400 feet tall carrying the combat suits and mining equipment. This was the start of the colonization of Pandora. Massive amounts of gear in a short amount of time. They didn't want to give the cat people a window to respond in.
Val the Moofia Boss
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In the first movie there wasn't a hostile planet waiting to jump on them the moment they touched down. As @Typhonis mentioned, they only used this technique to establish Bridgehead quickly. They use shuttles as normal after.