Val the Moofia Boss
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Trailer was leaked a couple weeks ago but I didn't want to post low quality footage. Official trailer is up now. Coming December of this year.
Movies Avatar 2: Way of Water
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This is over a decade too late to matter, I'm going to guess. Really, though, seeing as I actually found the first one kind of stupid and insulting, I'm not even going to bother with this one. If he keeps making Alita movies after this, I just might forgive him for making these crappy hippy noble savage white savior movies. 
Manga still continue - and it is happening on Mars,not Earth.Still good.This is over a decade too late to matter, I'm going to guess. Really, though, seeing as I actually found the first one kind of stupid and insulting, I'm not even going to bother with this one. If he keeps making Alita movies after this, I just might forgive him for making these crappy hippy noble savage white savior movies.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
On the plus side there does seem to be a much larger human military presence than in the last film. Might mean we get to see the blue cat people ground into paste this time. A forlorn hope, but hope nonetheless.
Argent
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Really the plot for the Space Fern Gully was just average.
Overall what made Avatar so big the the special effects. Now thoses same effects are old news. At the time the 3D effects where huge and new to an audience that had never seen them. This was the frist major move in decades that used 3d effect that most cosgined to the past and spun a decade of every action movie shoving them in.
That is the reason Avatar smashed box office records but quickly faded and is only really show on T.V. Cool effects do not make a classic or add rewatch vaule on a smaller t.v. set.
I expect the new one to make decent money but will likely be the last of the Avatar movies made unless the plot brings something new thay recaptures the old audience or draws someone new. Going by what has been released and the preveiw I doubt it will be a second lightening strike.
Overall what made Avatar so big the the special effects. Now thoses same effects are old news. At the time the 3D effects where huge and new to an audience that had never seen them. This was the frist major move in decades that used 3d effect that most cosgined to the past and spun a decade of every action movie shoving them in.
That is the reason Avatar smashed box office records but quickly faded and is only really show on T.V. Cool effects do not make a classic or add rewatch vaule on a smaller t.v. set.
I expect the new one to make decent money but will likely be the last of the Avatar movies made unless the plot brings something new thay recaptures the old audience or draws someone new. Going by what has been released and the preveiw I doubt it will be a second lightening strike.
Don't Care Anymore.
James Cameron will have to make me care.
So far with the trailer he hasn't.
James Cameron will have to make me care.
So far with the trailer he hasn't.
Agent23
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Cameron did not direct Alita!This is over a decade too late to matter, I'm going to guess. Really, though, seeing as I actually found the first one kind of stupid and insulting, I'm not even going to bother with this one. If he keeps making Alita movies after this, I just might forgive him for making these crappy hippy noble savage white savior movies.
His involvement appears minimal, that is probably why it didn't suck.
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
Cameron hasn't made a good movie since True Lies.
prinCZess
Warrior, Writer, Performer, Perv
Too late for any carry-on hype from the first movie, and not much in the trailer to raise my cockles of interest. Probably be pretty to look at like the first one, but just don't see much reason to care. It's Space-Fern Gully 2. No Tim Curry and an even more groan-worthy message I expect.
Pretty with potential but almost-undoubtedly be cocked-up by writers/directors incapable of storytelling beyond simplistic moral-messaging bats that lack any weight of authenticity or earnestness...and incapable of presenting moral complexity...Going off the first one here since it's the only standard to judge, but expecting similar/same from the sequel seems like a short jump.
Seeing blue-aliens in human gear and a human doing the actual 'go native' thing without the avatar shortcut to hair-sex and air-breathing pleases me a bit. I know they won't do anything with it (both by who the alien in human gear is and just general expectation...see above) but that's a dynamic that presents some storytelling potential and was missing from the first one.
If Avatar had done any kind of job worldbuilding beyond 'ooh pretty' then I'd have probably taken my own plot-bunny of blue-aliens who sided with the humans--evil money-grubbing mining company and all--because human tech was badass and written something of it but...There's just so little to go on or care about. Too much pretty and moral-message bat in the movie, not enough setup and setting-establishment.
Pretty with potential but almost-undoubtedly be cocked-up by writers/directors incapable of storytelling beyond simplistic moral-messaging bats that lack any weight of authenticity or earnestness...and incapable of presenting moral complexity...Going off the first one here since it's the only standard to judge, but expecting similar/same from the sequel seems like a short jump.
Seeing blue-aliens in human gear and a human doing the actual 'go native' thing without the avatar shortcut to hair-sex and air-breathing pleases me a bit. I know they won't do anything with it (both by who the alien in human gear is and just general expectation...see above) but that's a dynamic that presents some storytelling potential and was missing from the first one.
If Avatar had done any kind of job worldbuilding beyond 'ooh pretty' then I'd have probably taken my own plot-bunny of blue-aliens who sided with the humans--evil money-grubbing mining company and all--because human tech was badass and written something of it but...There's just so little to go on or care about. Too much pretty and moral-message bat in the movie, not enough setup and setting-establishment.
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
I am of thr opinion it will be a repeat of the first movie with basically an identical ending.
I see the movie with different eyes now.
I consider myself a leftist (but not the kind that preaches muh gender muh natives cant do wrong or profeminist or whatever) but I think IF Earth was on the condition it is in the movie, many wouldn't turn the back on humanity, despite you can say what was happening to the Na'vi is objectively wrong.
I would say the message is good and wasn't too heavy, problem now it has been hijacked by corporations and globalists.
And I think the corporation of Avatar 1 is EVIL.
BUT if the future of humanity depended on the resources of that planet, I would have chosen humanity.
And I would probably be look like Colonel Miles Quaritch, Stephen Lang's character, just instead for a corpo I would be probably work for the benefit of humanity's working classes and proletariat!
So basically a Zhukov with hair.
And less drunk.
I see the movie with different eyes now.
I consider myself a leftist (but not the kind that preaches muh gender muh natives cant do wrong or profeminist or whatever) but I think IF Earth was on the condition it is in the movie, many wouldn't turn the back on humanity, despite you can say what was happening to the Na'vi is objectively wrong.
I would say the message is good and wasn't too heavy, problem now it has been hijacked by corporations and globalists.
And I think the corporation of Avatar 1 is EVIL.
BUT if the future of humanity depended on the resources of that planet, I would have chosen humanity.
And I would probably be look like Colonel Miles Quaritch, Stephen Lang's character, just instead for a corpo I would be probably work for the benefit of humanity's working classes and proletariat!
So basically a Zhukov with hair.
And less drunk.
Argent
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True there was a fanfiction I read a while back that had all I wanted for an Avatar 2.
It did a decent job of showing how Sully's PDST gave with a cynical and wrapped overall veiw of Earth. It also showed RND was generally a Corp frist and out for money which lead to movie happen. The story took place as the UN broke RND and sent in an actual military to provide support for a new mining effort. Overall it took the frost movie and painted a much better sequel then I execpt Way of the Water to be.
Sling asteroid at the moon and let the Galactic norm do the job. The fact that Pandora does not get pounded more by large asteroids while in orbit of a GAS FREAKING GIANT. Is pure bullshit and junk scifi. Advanced life on Pandora should not exist at all.
Seras
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Why should I care? The first movie already killed the best character. Quaritch, you will be missed. This will just be more "And now the Na'avi defeat the humans that come to take more of their land!" And I just don't care. It will be pretty, but completely bankrupt from a storytelling perspective.
Allegedly Quaritch somehow comes back all big and blue and is the Navi Avatar with the Humans in the trailer.
Val the Moofia Boss
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From the overall sequel storyline Cameron has talked about, it seems like the Na'vi heroes are eventually going to go back to Earth and save it. I guess they will plant an Ewya tree and that will magically fix the atmosphere or something.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
God only knows.
Weird thing is, it isn't like we aren't anti-environment or anything. Does anyone else remember watching Lord of the Rings and feeling somewhat distraught when Treebeard found all the cut down trees? Hell, we were all cheering on the Ents as they flattened Isengard.