Movies Avatar 2: Way of Water

[Husky_Khan]

When they finish Avatar 6 they can then do a crossover with the Terminator franchise and it can be the seventh movie for both franchises.

Get Ridley Scott involved and we can throw in a Seventh Aliens movie into the Phase Ending Crossover as well!!!

 

[Seras]

I'm not gonna see it in theaters. I'll watch it on some pirate website in a month or something, if I even care enough. Which I honestly don't.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Breitbart Reviewed the Movie. They too mentioned that it had some traditional messaging in a Father protecting his family but that some shallow traditional family values wasn't close to enough to spin this movie into actually being good.

States that while the first movie was Dances With Wolves combined with Fern Gully, this one was Dances With Wolves combined with Free Willy IN SPAAAAAAACE!

'Avatar: The Way of Water' Review: Free Willy Meets Dances with Wolves in Space

Yes, "Avatar: The Way of Water" is Dances with Wolves in Space Part II with the same on-the-nose, subtle-as-a-Joel-Osteen-smile-on-Sunday messaging.

www.breitbart.com

Also alternate article titles he pondered using:

May God Save Us from this Franchise

This Movie Desperately Needs Testosterone

I was Rooting for the Humans

The World’s Most Expensive Cartoon

Watch BBC’s The Blue Planet Instead

Shallow Family Values Cannot Save this Movie

The Emperor Has No Clothes

At Least Fern Gully Had Tim Curry

 

[Husky_Khan]

Avatar 2 is roughly tied for the FIFTH biggest opening... this year.

According to CNBC:

The film snared $134 million at the domestic box office during its opening weekend, short of the $175 million that industry analysts had predicted, and just under the $135 million to $150 million range that Disney had forecast.

The film is tied with Warner Bros.′ “The Batman,” which also generated $134 million during its domestic opening in March, as the fifth-highest opening of the year, according to data from Comscore. Internationally, “Way of Water” tallied $300.5 million, bringing the film’s opening weekend haul to $434.5 million.

Just under the range Disney was forecasting and a fair bit more then below industry expectations.

To be fair... I don't think very highly of the four films above Avatar 2 in ranking either and I haven't even seen Black Panther: Wakanda Forever yet.

And who knows, maybe it'll do a Top Gun Maverick and just say in theaters for like six to eight months (like the original Avatar film IIRC).

Also... looks like someone is suffering from toxic masculinity...



Actually I'd be more sympathetic to James Cameron acting like James Cameron if it wasn't for his dorky comments about testosterone being a toxin or some nonsense. Oh well... either way.

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Haven't had a chance to see the movie yet but hoping to soon. The nearest theater with an IMAX Digital Laser is quite a drive away and is packed during the day, and there are no early morning screenings. Might have to bite the bullet and go to a really late night screening, and then drive back home.

 

[Agent23]

 

[Sobek]

There has been some copium about the performance in China being shit because of Covid. Telling that the comments by Disney sources paint it as "the chinese people think covid is a lot worse and are far more careful" instead of the truth of the orwellian lockdown policies of the CCP.

 

[Agent23]

Pretty sure it has to make over 800million just to break even.
The movie cost somewhere around 400 million to make, that does not account for advertising, or the fact that theaters keep about 50% of ticket sales.

Hopefully this will be the straw that breaks Hollywoke's back.

 

[Sobek]

It was more than 400 million to make dude. From what I heard it cost at least 600. The Hollywood hypebeasts were talking about at least a B to male it break even.

 

[Agent23]

It was more than 400 million to make dude. From what I heard it cost at least 600. The Hollywood hypebeasts were talking about at least a B to male it break even.

Dunno, it is what I heard a while back, now, I trust Hollywood accounting as much as the next guy, but I'd rether lean conservative on any cost estimates we are throwing around.

Frankly, it if costs them over 800 that would please me greatly, but until it is a proven loss maker after it is released on DVD/streaming, then I will celebrate.

There has been some copium about the performance in China being shit because of Covid. Telling that the comments by Disney sources paint it as "the chinese people think covid is a lot worse and are far more careful" instead of the truth of the orwellian lockdown policies of the CCP.

Or maybe the Chinese just don't like preachy Hollywood econut garbage...

 

[Robovski]

‘Avatar 2’ Is So Expensive It Must Become the ‘Fourth or Fifth Highest-Grossing Film in History’ Just to Break Even

James Cameron says that "Avatar: The Way of Water" will need to become the fourth or fifth highest-grossing movie in history in order to break even.

variety.com

"‘Avatar 2’ Is So Expensive It Must Become the ‘Fourth or Fifth Highest-Grossing Film in History’ Just to Break Even"

 

[Typhonis]

Proverbs 16:18 King James Version

18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

 

[Seras]

Here's the thing. I can respect someone using his rep like this to just go "I'm gonna make the art I want even if it ruins any future chances of me making a massive movie." Cause maybe that's just the story he wants to tell.

I just think James Cameron lost track of the story in exchange for visuals in his last few movies, and people aren't going to remember Avatar as anything but a fancy pretty picture with a shit story.

 

[Jormungandr]

The thing is about Cameron... he's become so obsessed about "leaving a legacy" in cinema that he's lost whatever charisma he once had. People just see him as an arrogant cunt now, while before he was a bit arrogant but was still somewhat liked.

This is what happened with Ridley Scott, too.

 

[Sobek]

The second issue is that Cameron is a briliant director but a absolute garbage writer. His dialogue is complete memeworthy, and don't even get me started on what that fucking moron did to the lore of Avatar with his "story vision"

 

[Argent]

I just think James Cameron lost track of the story in exchange for visuals in his last few movies, and people aren't going to remember Avatar as anything but a fancy pretty picture with a shit story.

He kind of did here too. I watched the movie though certain means on a decnt projector. So while the special effect where good it was not theater quality. But it is some of the best CGI I have seen and the faster ratio really does help. The visuals and scenery are outstanding and everything looks great.

The problem is that the plot is meh. There are some weird plotholes especially with Jake and his families actions. The dialogue is wooden in places but at least it tries add more depth to the characters then the frist one.

So overall the ratings would be

Speical effects and visuals: 10 out 10
Acting: 6 out of 10
Plot: 4 out of 10

Overall I would rate it as a 5 to 6 and would call it a decent Summer Blockbuster. It would be fun watch once but like the original it will fade away quickly after it leaves theater.

 

[Agent23]

Proverbs 16:18 King James Version

18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

Whom the gods would destroy they first make mad.

Has it flopped yet?

 

[Sobek]

Hard to tell, Christmas is kind of messing with the box office, but we will know next week if it is gonna be a flop.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Just saw it. It was decent... like the first film. And yeah... basically like the first film. Same themes and messaging and everything but this time IT'S ABOUT FAMILY and living in the reefs and oceans instead of the forests.

Good acting, like all of the blockbusters. Very pretty. Nice world building. Plotholes you can swim a whale through, cringey dialogue... lots to riff off of.

Spoiler On Surprise Moral of Film

 

[Husky_Khan]

This film series might need more studio meddling. He apparently cut out ten minutes of Avatar 2 due to it having too much gun violence.

“I actually cut about 10 minutes of the movie targeting gunplay action. I wanted to get rid of some of the ugliness, to find a balance between light and dark. You have to have conflict, of course. Violence and action are the same thing, depending on how you look at it. This is the dilemma of every action filmmaker, and I’m known as an action filmmaker.”

“I look back on some films that I’ve made, and I don’t know if I would want to make that film now. I don’t know if I would want to fetishize the gun, like I did on a couple of ‘Terminator’ movies 30-plus years ago, in our current world. What’s happening with guns in our society turns my stomach.”

Then he apparently womped about how thankful he feels living in New Zealand instead of returning the millions of dollars he made fetishizing guns in movies in the very culture that now makes him sick to his stomach. Sad.

James Cameron Cut Out 10 Minutes of ‘Avatar 2’ Gun Violence Because It Made His Stomach Sick: ‘I Don’t Want to Fetishize Guns’ Anymore

James Cameron cut out 10 minutes of gun violence from "Avatar 2."

variety.com