It's funny reading these threads because Agent 23 "ignores" me. He can post points I already addressed before he even thought them up. 
Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)
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Agent23
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Yeah, yeah, Putler/Evil Ivans are behind everything, even when Sloppy Joe can't lift it when he is abusing another underage girl, we know!
Russian state meddling in what it considers its sphere of influence, yeah, sure, i'm the conspiracy theorist here.
Agent23
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Yeah, ok, and if a Russian tells you water is a conductor you will probably throw a toaster in your bathtub to prove him wrong...
Aren't you a bit old for Dis u but what am I?
Yeah, well, we should shut them up and just stay on good terms with the Azeris.
Turkey is far from the paragon of a western state, but I will be more than happy to have it overstretch.I want it out of NATO and deep inside of Greece.
Compete is a strong word, they have a small fraction of what Russia has, but still, any port in a storm.
And as I said, I am fine with Turkey and its friends getting emboldened and the west not doing anything for a few years.
After they stick their heads in a beehive of military adventurism they will have to sell more energy to keep themselves afloat.
Or, it can just wait, sit this one out and play all sides against each-other, e.g. a sensible solution.
Unfortunately the guy is talking about international politics and spicy stuff in them in particular, rather than making popular science videos for Russian state media.
Sorry for stealing your schtick, but you can't deny it.
Again your own private political preferences show, including Balkan rivalries, no reason for me to share yours.
Playing all sides implies the very opposite of sitting this one out.
Agent23
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He is reporting, not giving an opinion, you can always provide legit proof that what he is reporting is nonsense.
Holy non-argument, batman.
Same can be said about you and your Polish/Baltic political preference.
Pot meet kettle.
Start off as neutral, then play them off for maximum profits.
As to annoying diasporas, well, here is a story from Bulgaria.
>Be Bulgarian nationalist.
>Sit in class when fatty Armenian girl that is one of those brown nose annoyances, proto-Purple haired *studies student, basically, decided to tell the whole class about muh Armenian genocide and the usual listen to the song of muh people.
>Enjoy class Chad get up and tell her."So what cha bitchin ta me bout it, cunt."
>Burst into laughter.
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Reporting is not opinion free by any means (we both know what so many mainstream reporters do, no need to cut slack for Russia's ones), sod off with the word games, take your burden of proof and stick it into... your effort to "provide legit proof that what he is reporting makes sense."
So when are you leaving the dastardly NATO you hate so much?
No one (perhaps outside some terminal useful idiots in western countries) is going to believe in Russia "starting off as neutral", there is no year zero bullshit in international politics.
Victim politics 101, doesn't work so well outside of the first world problem zone though.
Agent23
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Fine provide the "truth" from a NATO/USA paid reporter, then.
At this point I am in favor in staying in the so called defensive alliance just to spite you, lol.
Besides, we might manage to use it to fuck with the Turks the way you wanna use it to fuck with Dem damned dirty Muskovite Johns.
When are you gonna stop hiding behind it and start fighting your own battles on your own?
Yup, because Ree, Putler is a mustache twirling villain that just randomly decides to do stuff one day cause he could not get it up.
Sadly, it is spreading, but it must be stomped out completely.
Agent23
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Yaay, anti-Russian chiwawa baltostani paid press.State media of Lithuania represent.
Is Armenia turning to the West?
For centuries, Armenians have had a tight relationship with Russia. But those ties have come under strain over the past ...www.lrt.lt
I don't care about their copium and wishful thinking about pulling a small, land locked shithole devoid of anything useful out of Muh Evil Putler's orbit
An alliance we are in....
And also, I did say I would be happy to ally with Turkey against Greece earlier in the thread.
Hurr-durr.
Then it was about terrorism...
And it has always advertised itself as a mutual defensive alliance.
But ultimately it is just an ever expending bureaucracy.
And him getting into this mess in the middle now would help him...how...
This is about Armenia vs. Azerbaijan, can you stop spamming the thread with your Russia obsession and NATO fetish and stay on topic, thanks!
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Agent23
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To summarize.While both Turkey and Greece are NATO members...
Unlike other bureaucracies, it's the countries that are not in it that whine the hardest about its expansion
>getting into this mess
Implying Russia was not already in it since decades, as i said, aggressive amnesia is not considered the golden standard for foreign policy takes.
All sorts of serious publications consider this.
Russia’s Stake in the Nagorno-Karabakh War: Accident or Design?
Russia opted not to discourage the escalation of Nagorno-Karabakh smoldering conflict into a full-fledged war. There are strong signs that this...www.swp-berlin.org
Putin Is Turning Armenia Into a Russian Outpost
Moscow is losing regional influence—but it's shoring up its position in Yerevan.foreignpolicy.com
Choke on your own words. Also quite telling of how much you give a damn about what's relevant to the topic when Russian troops are officially, as peacekeepers, present on territory of both these countries, and one of them is in an alliance with Russia. But nope, don't mention Russia, totally nothing to do with the Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict, are you for real?
>Ree, muh Russia.
You are not providing anything actually useful to this discussion.
Just bitching about Dem evil Russkies.
Agent23
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The only truth here is that if we back the Armenians we degrade our relations with Azerbaijan, and I for one do not see a real reason why we should do that.
Short-term - we have a nice energy source, long-term Turkey and Azerbaijan overstretch.
The Iranians are another possible alternate source of energy, but with Armenia moving into a position where it is kissing uncle Sam's boots it becomes less likely.
And there is the matter of all the sanctions and the us "Ree, muh evil terrorists..."
I have mentioned before, Erdogan is basically a village wiseguy, those people can often me better populist politicians than the powdered poodles with the pointless *studies degree and the long pedigrees, but ultimately they can also suffer from the huge fish in a small pond mindset.So far this indicates to be the case.
I don't think Turkey wants to threaten Iran unless given a good reason :
The Emerging Iranian-Turkish Energy Partnership: Strategic Implications - Our World
An energy partnership will let Iran leverage its energy resources and Turkey maintain its economic growth, which will also enhance European energy security.ourworld.unu.edu
Turkey is the kinda of bully that threatens those smaller than him such as : Syria, Greece, Cyprus, Iraq, Armenia. But never someone bigger or as big as them like Iran and Russia.
He has overstretched himself and most of his adventures, in Syria, in Iraq, in Libya, have ended as stalemates or embarrassments, and the Turkish economy is in the shitter.
To that you can add the centuries-long animosity between Turks and Iranians/Persians and the millennia-long animosity between Shiites and Sunites.
Yeah, any alliance between Iran and Turkey is unlikely, especially since that place is the de facto successor to the Byzantine empire, and because they were fighting the Ottomans for over 500 years.
If Iran was ran by anything other than an idiot theocracy I would be backing it, hard.
Turns out that for most of our history when we think we were fucking the damned Byzantines we were actually spit roasting them with Iran doing the fucking from below.
There is also some evidnece that the Bulgars were of Indo_iranian origin and a theory that "Bulgar" means warrior tribe in Iranian.
Agent23
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What are diplomats doing when trying to diffuse a conflict between 2 neighboring countries and trying to keep their country's local neighborhood stable, ZOMG the inhumanity...Opinion noted and into the trash it goes, did you have anything useful to add to the discussion or was it just you taking an opportunity to whine about me accusing saintly and innocent Russia who never does anything wrong of being involved in a conflict even though it has troops in the countries involved and everyone serious discusses how involved it is?
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Russia protests to Armenia as tensions rise over disputed Caucasus region
Russia summoned the Armenian ambassador on Friday to present a protest about what it deemed "unfriendly steps" as tension in the South Caucasus surged over the disputed region of Nagorno-Karabakh.www.reuters.com
What the hell are Russian diplomats doing interjecting in the conflict in which they are totally not involved in and only Russia obsessed Polish conspiracy theorists think they have anything to do with?
Russia accuses Azerbaijan of violating ceasefire agreement with Armenia
Russia on Saturday accused Azerbaijan of violating the Moscow-brokered ceasefire that ended the 2020 war with Armenia, by letting its troops cross over the demarcation line.www.france24.com
Oh, wait, it is called mediation and it is practiced widely.
Mediation in International Conflicts
"Mediation in International Conflicts" published on by null.
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Agent23
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It is called a "news cycle" and everyone will forget in a few days. Especially now, when we all have a lot more stuff to worry about and there is no massive, government sponsored push to fan the flames of these news it will die down.
Like maybe we will find out that some Italian deputy has an onlyfans.
It is not impossible, I think the dsme scenario happened to some american peace keepers in Afrika, or some idiot Azeri fot overexcited.
Even if the Russians had proof the muh Russia, ree, would just kick in.
In related news:
Azerbaijan and Armenian forces reach cease-fire for breakaway region
While we were whining about muh Russia and talking about turkey, apparently there has been a cease fire.
The Armenians lost Karabach, and hopefully this is the last we will hear of this in a while.
As conspiracy ideas go, it's quite a vintage one.
And it's not as if the West doesn't "meddle" all over the world. But I suppose to you that's different.
Agent23
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Poland and Britain especially suffer from the historic verison of Ree, Muh Russia Syndrome.As conspiracy ideas go, it's quite a vintage one.
And it's not as if the West doesn't "meddle" all over the world. But I suppose to you that's different.
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Off topic but the leader of the mainstream progressive liberal and "main" opposition party in Italy is a Swiss-born American of Ukranian-Lithuanian ancestry.Like maybe we will find out that some Italian deputy has an onlyfans.
Elly Schlein - Wikipedia
I didn't claim the West is strictly playing the role of "not touching anything" isolationists anywhere. In fact i said many times that it would be utterly retarded for it to do that, and even Russia is not retarded enough to do it, and yet some people still want to pry the hippy movement's foreign policy sunglasses out of its long rotten face and tell me that's something the West does uniquely, often with spoken or unspoken implication that it shouldn't and its some kind of exceptional evil in comparison to how the rest of the world acts, even in the face of clear evidence that everyone acts like that or worse and always did.As conspiracy ideas go, it's quite a vintage one.
And it's not as if the West doesn't "meddle" all over the world. But I suppose to you that's different.
Agent23
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I said OnlyFans, not BonerDestruction dot com, lol.Off topic but the leader of the mainstream progressive liberal and "main" opposition party in Italy is a Swiss-born American of Ukranian-Lithuanian ancestry.
Elly Schlein - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Looks like a whimpy, ugly hypster dude, so probably vegan, pro-Migrant and anti-nuke, too.
And those teeth...
Only reason Mellony and the Brothers would lose the something like that would be terminal idiocy, IMHO.
And how the hell do you let a part-Swiss, swiss born, part-American get elected anything in your country?
EDIT: And of course she is lesbian, and probably the one getting bent over and pegged hard in all holes, too.
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And my position is the opposite of what you are reacting against. Yes, one-sided standards like that should be rejected. If we accept that major world powers having their tentacles all over the place is simply the behavior of rational actors - and I think that we do - then don't be like the American Democrats and freak out about Russia doing what they themselves do all the time.