Klaus Schwab
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Klaus Schwab
Poland getting fucked over by everyone is a historical tradition.
From 1700 till 1920,and 1939 till 1990,yes.But our country existed from about 900 AD,so - germans,for example,was fucked longer.
Blame one of their leaders for that. He could've but he got too greedy after occupying Moscow and wanted them all to become catholic rather than letting them be orthodox.You Poles at least had your golden age in the form of the PLC. Too bad that it didn't last. What would have been really epic would have been having the PLC conquer all of Russia and then creating a Slavic super-race!
Blame one of their leaders for that. He could've but he got too greedy after occupying Moscow and wanted them all to become catholic rather than letting them be orthodox.
It already has. As I said their leader got greedy. There were elements that wanted a new liberal tsar rather than the old despotic one and would support a Polish prince once they converted to orthodoxy and gave back the fortresses they captured. The son was willing but the father was not and wanted to have his cake and eat it so they resisted and those that were willing to capitulate joined them and the fabled Polish Lithuanian Muscovite Commonwealth was gone just like that.Secularization would have solved the religion problem lol.
It already has. As I said their leader got greedy. There were elements that wanted a new liberal tsar rather than the old despotic one and would support a Polish prince once they converted to orthodoxy and gave back the fortresses they captured. The son was willing but the father was not and wanted to have his cake and eat it so they resisted and those that were willing to capitulate joined them and the fabled Polish Lithuanian Muscovite Commonwealth was gone just like that.
From 1610 to 1612.Very sad. The father should have choked to death on a kielbasa or died of a heart attack or something at the right moment.
What year was this in? 1612?
From 1610 to 1612.
You Poles at least had your golden age in the form of the PLC. Too bad that it didn't last. What would have been really epic would have been having the PLC conquer all of Russia and then creating a Slavic super-race!
It already has. As I said their leader got greedy. There were elements that wanted a new liberal tsar rather than the old despotic one and would support a Polish prince once they converted to orthodoxy and gave back the fortresses they captured. The son was willing but the father was not and wanted to have his cake and eat it so they resisted and those that were willing to capitulate joined them and the fabled Polish Lithuanian Muscovite Commonwealth was gone just like that.
If you look at that way out of piety but to me he wanted it all way too fast rather than doing it slowly as you said which is quite greedy to me when he already got lucky with the Dmitri affair to reach that far.Smoleńsk was Lithuanian stronghold taken by Moscov in 1514,so no - but making one of his son tsar would worked.He had 3 after all.
Unfortunatelly,he was not greedy,but pious - and want save moscovite souls now,not waiting 100-200 years.
Both russians and poles suffered for it.
Secularization would have solved the religion problem lol.
What has happened before will happen again as man loves to experiment.Secularization brought you the USSR.
I'm not keen on seeing that tried again.
Yes,we had few such chances.Last in 1611,unfortunatelly King was too pious and instead of trying to made stronger Poland wanted catholic Russia.
Bad decision,if Russian get polish tsar they would become catholics on their own,just like orthodox gentry in Lithuania.
It would take 100-200 years,but it would be done.
Secularization brought you the USSR.
I'm not keen on seeing that tried again.
There was the proposal made by Lew Sapieha about a potential union between the PLC and Muscovy, but that went nowhere. Coupled with Muscovite (later Russian) antipathy towards Roman Catholicism in general, the union between the PLC and Muscovy was never going to work.It already has. As I said their leader got greedy. There were elements that wanted a new liberal tsar rather than the old despotic one and would support a Polish prince once they converted to orthodoxy and gave back the fortresses they captured. The son was willing but the father was not and wanted to have his cake and eat it so they resisted and those that were willing to capitulate joined them and the fabled Polish Lithuanian Muscovite Commonwealth was gone just like that.
America has done the same with Iraq, Afghanistan and South Vietnam.Which has never actually been proved and is just a way to try and stop aid from the west.
There was the proposal made by Lew Sapieha about a potential union between the PLC and Muscovy, but that went nowhere. Coupled with Muscovite (later Russian) antipathy towards Roman Catholicism in general, the union between the PLC and Muscovy was never going to work.
I mean, there was also the possibility of Russia becoming Greek Catholic, as opposed to Roman Catholic, though as I have said, that idea would have gone down the drain. In addition, a Catholic Russia of either the Latin or Uniate kind might result in souring of relations with its non-Christian minorities. I could guess that the only reason why OTL Orthodox Russia was able to expand easily was because of its prior relations with non-Christian states in the area.
Possible, although that would have resulted in a much more costly expansion.Would a Catholic Russia have been more inclined to go Inquisition on its minorities?