Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[Marduk]

Mark Krutov (@kromark)

Proof from May 21st: https://vk.com/wall-105334766_27668 Without this paperwork one would be fined for bringing his car to Russia and not paying the tax after the maximum allowed period of stay expired.

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Mark Krutov (@kromark)

The border is closed, but the customs were operational, according to local media. People came there to prolong their permits for temporarily imported cars, because they were not able to leave back to Moldova or other countries...

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Mark Krutov (@kromark)

Two guys killed and wounded by the strike were doing some paperwork near the black car on the Ukrainian video (filmed not by Switchblade itself, but probably by another drone?)

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Mark Krutov (@kromark)

Russia claims a citizen of Moldova was killed and another is in the hospital, both "civilians". Ukraine claims FSB officer (border control is formally all FSB) was killed. The area where it happened is an office of the "Alexandrovskiy" customs control point, though.

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Mark Krutov (@kromark)

The wounded guy was dressed as an office worker, exactly like customs clerk would be, and the killed one wore casual summer outfit (3rd guy too). No reason for FSB officers to do their paperwork on the car trunk door. Can't say for sure, but looks like a tragic UA intel mistake.

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Mark Krutov (@kromark)

(Still, there's a possibility they may have been FSB agents, it may have been a kind of blind revenge from UA side, or other).

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I had to get more on nitter but the sus people there were there to prolong permits for temporarily imported cars because they can't go back to Moldova or other countries.

If they don't they risk a fine. If the intention is to kill FSB then that can work as border control is formerly FSB but you'd be killing border guard staff with not much value.

Why do they *have* to do that on a very closed crossing less than 2km from a warzone? Are there no other customs points in the whole of Russia?

If there is it will be local and then global. Takes time to grow.

For every accidental collateral of a bombing it hardens opinion against those responsible.


That they are people there on their own business at the crossing that's not sus. It maybe possible but don't tell the wife of the departed that.

I saw that already. Are you implying only people without families can be recruited by Russian intelligence? Of course it's also expected of such covert agents to have some kind of civilian cover for what they are doing.

 

[ATP]

But they need separate training. And soon after it's done the tankers would need new training for digital A2, so a waste of effort.

They are acting as if they woke up with a hand in the shitter. They are doing what they can, and finding out that "what they can" encompasses surprisingly little, especially in short term. Trump's complaints about most of NATO not spending even the minimum 2% of GDP on the military are really coming around these days.

1.Better wasted effort,then facing soviet invasion without tanks.
2.Probably true - but,it is better not underestimate enemy.So,just in case,i would consider it as another german genius plan to take over Eurove with Moscov help.And all soviet loses so far are,as @Chiron would say,feint.
Becouse in the right hour german and hidden putin supersoldier would strike and take everything.Not plausible? yes,but better be safe then sorry.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Why do they *have* to do that on a very closed crossing less than 2km from a warzone? Are there no other customs points in the whole of Russia?

I saw that already. Are you implying only people without families can be recruited by Russian intelligence? Of course it's also expected of such covert agents to have some kind of civilian cover for what they are doing.

Evidently business continues even close to a warzone including renewing permits.

I am implying the attack maybe done with faulty intelligence. It's not the first time it happens with drones.

 

[Marduk]

1.Better wasted effort,then facing soviet invasion without tanks.

We still have Leos, and sent only 90 PT-91's for now, will send more as M1's arrive.

 

[Zachowon]

Poland about to become number 2 in NATO making France and Germany look small.

LETS GO POLAND!!

 

[Marduk]

Evidently business continues even close to a warzone including renewing permits.

And it's perfectly normal to do such mundane civilian business in front of the office parking lot rather than inside the office...
Right next to a totally not suspicious black car with black rims and tinted windows... which by the way were unscathed by the explosion, unlike the metallic car's next to it.

Also one little detail about one of the supposed civilians that could carry some hints:
from Grigoriopol, Transnistria
AKA Russia occupied part of Moldova. A guy with a profession involving traveling a lot and dealing with international cargo transfer. The plot thickens...

I am implying the attack maybe done with faulty intelligence. It's not the first time it happens with drones.

Could be. But then, would Ukraine publish the drone footage?
Could also be very good intelligence - the scene creates more questions than it answers.

 

[Arch Dornan]

And it's perfectly normal to do such mundane civilian business in front of the office parking lot rather than inside the office...
Right next to a totally not suspicious black car with black rims and tinted windows... which by the way were unscathed by the explosion, unlike the metallic car's next to it.

Also one little detail about one of the supposed civilians that could carry some hints:
from Grigoriopol, Transnistria
AKA Russia occupied part of Moldova. A guy with a profession involving traveling a lot and dealing with international cargo transfer. The plot thickens...

The permit renewal may need the car to be inspected especially the number plates on the back by the border control clerk.

Due to the way the drone sent it's bomb the direction it hit may not have sent shrapnel that side so the black car left side was unaffected. The back maybe but the drone footage didn't show that side.

A black car with tinted windows may look suspicious but it's not a crime. The same applies to any other color.

Could be. But then, would Ukraine publish the drone footage?
Could also be very good intelligence - the scene creates more questions than it answers.

To show results. Whether their assessment is correct is something we'll only know if the aftermath does look into it that one of those affected is the target for some reason even the pro Ukraine reporter admits it maybe an error after doing the work to check on what happened.

 

[Marduk]

The permit renewal may need the car to be inspected especially the number plates on the back by the border control clerk.

We get quite a while of footage. He's not taking a look at the plates, assuming your average eastern european clerk would care to do so for a renewal. This shit is all in the papers already.

Due to the way the drone sent it's bomb the direction it hit may not have sent shrapnel that side so the black car left side was unaffected. The back maybe but the drone footage didn't show that side.

Explosion blast wave....

A black car with tinted windows may look suspicious but it's not a crime. The same applies to any other color.

This isn't a court hearing, this is a war.

To show results. Whether their assessment is correct is something we'll only know if the aftermath does look into it that one of those affected is the target for some reason even the pro Ukraine reporter admits it maybe an error after doing the work to check on what happened.

To who? You know showing results to the important people does not need them to be public?

 

[ATP]

Poland about to become number 2 in NATO making France and Germany look small.

LETS GO POLAND!!

No,Poland gave 1/3 of its tank to Ukraine for nothing.
We arleady died once for Europe in 1939.USA with democrat president gave us to sovet genociders as reward.

Interesting,when Biden would do the same?

 

[Arch Dornan]

We get quite a while of footage. He's not taking a look at the plates, assuming your average eastern european clerk would care to do so for a renewal. This shit is all in the papers already.

Which papers?

Explosion blast wave....

An explosion blast wave that's limited by what it carries and I can't see a very messy one.

This isn't a court hearing, this is a war.

A war that kills anyone trying to make a living but I don't remember a law about black tinted cars to be illegal.

To who? You know showing results to the important people does not need them to be public?

In post wars the families of the deceased would normally spend effort finding out why their family member died.

Eventually that turns up once governments come and go.

No,Poland gave 1/3 of its tank to Ukraine for nothing.
We arleady died once for Europe in 1939.USA with democrat president gave us to sovet genociders as reward.

Interesting,when Biden would do the same?

How cynical are you?

 

[ATP]

Which papers?


How cynical are you?

Not cynical,realistic.Democrats presidents ALWAYS made deal with soviets when they should fight them,why Biden should be different?
Of course,most Republican presidents would do the same.But,in that case,we could always hope for another Reagan.
Democrats? they would always gave us to soviets for free.Stupid bastards.

But,we are poles,we died for others many times,so why not once more?
Survivors would see how entire war woud be blamed on us.Just like german made Holocaust is now our fault.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Not cynical,realistic.Democrats presidents ALWAYS made deal with soviets when they should fight them,why Biden should be different?
Of course,most Republican presidents would do the same.But,in that case,we could always hope for another Reagan.
Democrats? they would always gave us to soviets for free.Stupid bastards.

But,we are poles,we died for others many times,so why not once more?
Survivors would see how entire war woud be blamed on us.Just like german made Holocaust is now our fault.

Realistic is good enough. If you understand then you'll understand just from the American position to you separated by kilometers of geography and cold attachment at the flip of a pen to screw countries over because it's convenient then I get you.

 

[Marduk]

Which papers?

The ones that allowed him to get the first permit.

An explosion blast wave that's limited by what it carries and I can't see a very messy one.

It's an almost half kilo warhead.

A war that kills anyone trying to make a living but I don't remember a law about black tinted cars to be illegal.

Anyone meaning shady, much traveling Transnistrians who happen to live in Russia mostly, who just happen to be talking with FSB officer in front of a customs post near a black car.
We all know what kind of people hanging around intelligence facilities anywhere use those.

Russia Jails TikToker for Damaging FSB Car During Navalny Protests - The Moscow Times

A popular Russian TikTok blogger has been sentenced to nearly three years in a prison colony for damaging a car belonging to the security services during anti-government protests in January.

www.themoscowtimes.com

FSB sure does have a favorite car color.

In post wars the families of the deceased would normally spend effort finding out why their family member died.

Eventually that turns up once governments come and go.

Good luck getting them if these are US classified documents while being a Transnistrian

 

[Arch Dornan]

The ones that allowed him to get the first permit.

Not the media that reported the deaths?

It's an almost half kilo warhead.

A shame I'll never know how true that is to test it myself.

Anyone meaning shady, much traveling Transnistrians who happen to live in Russia mostly, who just happen to be talking with FSB officer in front of a customs post near a black car.
We all know what kind of people hanging around intelligence facilities anywhere use those.

Russia Jails TikToker for Damaging FSB Car During Navalny Protests - The Moscow Times

A popular Russian TikTok blogger has been sentenced to nearly three years in a prison colony for damaging a car belonging to the security services during anti-government protests in January.

www.themoscowtimes.com

FSB sure does have a favorite car color.

Fair point. If you brought up more evidence of FSB cars I can concede that one when looking into them their predecessor the KGB and themselves like to use black cars.

Good luck getting them if these are US classified documents while being a Transnistrian

Eventually. It took years to know about nasty shit done during the Cold War.

 

[PsihoKekec]

 

[ATP]

Realistic is good enough. If you understand then you'll understand just from the American position to you separated by kilometers of geography and cold attachment at the flip of a pen to screw countries over because it's convenient then I get you.

Indeed.That is why i would not blame FRD if he sell Poland to normal country.That is how our world works.
But bloody idiot GAVE US FOR FREE to dudes who wanted conqer entire world,including USA.
That is something which i could not stomach - being evil for nothing,and helping dudes who would slaughter you.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

Indeed.That is why i would not blame FRD if he sell Poland to normal country.That is how our world works.
But bloody idiot GAVE US FOR FREE to dudes who wanted conqer entire world,including USA.
That is something which i could not stomach - being evil for nothing,and helping dudes who would slaughter you.

Poland getting fucked over by everyone is a historical tradition.

 

[WolfBear]

Who is the first, bald person on here lol?

 

[WolfBear]

Indeed.That is why i would not blame FRD if he sell Poland to normal country.That is how our world works.
But bloody idiot GAVE US FOR FREE to dudes who wanted conqer entire world,including USA.
That is something which i could not stomach - being evil for nothing,and helping dudes who would slaughter you.

At least you got Oder-Neisse Line borders, thus returning your country's borders to what they were back in the year 1000.

 

[PsihoKekec]

Klaus Schwab