Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[WolfBear]

Russia Will Miss the World Order Putin Upended - WSJ

archived 26 Jul 2022 02:18:38 UTC

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[Arch Dornan]

toomas ilves, ex-verif (@IlvesToomas)

We should just keep all Russians out of the EU. A total entry ban. Yes, "but not all Russians are like this", but a minor matter compared to what that nation is doing. Don't give me the "collective punishment is bad". Visa denial is not punishment, it's self preservation. Tough.

nitter.1d4.us

I oppose this. I think that Russian refugees and also Russians who dislike Putin's regime SHOULD, in fact, be able to move to the West. I support strip-mining Russia of as much of its human capital as possible, especially but not only its working-age human capital, and thus support generously depopulating Russia by having as much of their population as possible move over here to the West. Russian spies would be excluded from this, of course.

With sentiments like this the Russophobia will continue.

Ukraine to EU: Ask Russians if they support war in visa application

Kyiv’s envoy for sanctions says Russian citizens have ‘partial responsibility’ for the war.

www.politico.eu

 

[WolfBear]

With sentiments like this the Russophobia will continue.

Ukraine to EU: Ask Russians if they support war in visa application

Kyiv’s envoy for sanctions says Russian citizens have ‘partial responsibility’ for the war.

www.politico.eu

That makes sense to ask, to be honest. Though Russians could simply lie about this if necessary, I guess.

 

[Arch Dornan]

That makes sense to ask, to be honest. Though Russians could simply lie about this if necessary, I guess.

They always can. It's the times they live in. Either they follow through or start packing.

 

[History Learner]

I wasn't wrong was I?
Kherson fell.
And it is on the verge of being retaken.
Kharkiv wasn't taken, yet yall Vatniks were saying it would fall. Kiev didn't fall, yet yall vatniks said it would, and now claim it was a faint. Faints don't get units of veteran force wiped out because of ineptitude.
Then the whole Odessa is the main goal, yet they are not making any progress there.

I laugh at you trying to say "okay glowie" when I was right more times then you were.


You are just crying that your running low on cope as Russia has stalled

The post was made in early April and Kherson was captured by the Russians in February; if you were just then noticing this almost six weeks after the fact, then we can safely discount your analysis abilities. In reality, as simply looking at that post shows, you were claiming in early April Kherson was about to be captured by Ukraine; here we are almost four months later. Kherson remains Russian, along with Mariupol, Severdonetsk, and numerous other cities.

I don't have to cope about anything when the only thing you've gotten right is that the war happened. You were spinning a stalled out invasion in April and now look where we are.

 

[Arch Dornan]

The post was made in early April and Kherson was captured by the Russians in February; if you were just then noticing this almost six weeks after the fact, then we can safely discount your analysis abilities. In reality, as simply looking at that post shows, you were claiming in early April Kherson was about to be captured by Ukraine; here we are almost four months later. Kherson remains Russian, along with Mariupol, Severdonetsk, and numerous other cities.

I don't have to cope about anything when the only thing you've gotten right is that the war happened. You were spinning a stalled out invasion in April and now look where we are.

Reality does give way if anyone can watch it all in real time.

 

[ATP]

Another Munitions Depot, as well as a Command Post for a Russian Brigade Have Been Allegedly Struck by Ukrainian Fires.



Polish PT-91 tanks, an upgraded/modernized version of the T-72M1 Tanks Already Supplied by Eastern European NATO Powers, Have Already Started to be Delivered to Ukraine as well as (finally) German Gepard SPAAG's.



Russian Forces are Building a Pontoon Bridge Near the Bridge Damaged by Ukrainian Fires North of Kherson.



Russians Are Claiming They Have a Special Spetsnaz Unit that is Hunting NATO Equipment with Drone Assistance and Provided Drone Video of them Recording a Ukrainian Caesar SPG as Proof.



Recent Pictures of the Antonov-225 Hangar at the Hostomel Airport. Rubble, including a Destroyed Russian Airborne BMD Turret, Can Be Seen Nearby.

Bloody idiots.Now,we are with 249 Leopard 2 tanks and maybe 70 T.72.What they want to achieve? kill Poland,so Europe could lived? we did the same stupid thing during WW2 - Allies gave us to Moscov after that.
Now,Biden would do the same.

Our politicians are either traitors or idiots unable to comprehend what is going on.Yes,we should support Ukraine - but not destroy Poland !

 

[Arch Dornan]

Bloody idiots.Now,we are with 249 Leopard 2 tanks and maybe 70 T.72.What they want to achieve? kill Poland,so Europe could lived? we did the same stupid thing during WW2 - Allies gave us to Moscov after that.
Now,Biden would do the same.

Our politicians are either traitors or idiots unable to comprehend what is going on.Yes,we should support Ukraine - but not destroy Poland !

What's the matter? Is it sending too much of your own equipment to support Ukraine your army can be defenseless?

If that's the case your politicians are being politicians.

 

[ATP]

What's the matter? Is it sending too much of your own equipment to support Ukraine your army can be defenseless?

If that's the case your politicians are being politicians.

Politicians do not destroy their own country to help others,but other countries to help their country.They are either traitors or drunken children in fog of war.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Politicians do not destroy their own country to help others,but other countries to help their country.They are either traitors or drunken children in fog of war.

You get all stripes but a lot of times I see it's a time honored tradition for a politician to grift within the office.

As to the matter of the tanks. Ukraine is now that political problem your government is now beholden to send any aid to. You better hope that aid does reach them and they use it well.

 

[WolfBear]

This map obviously isn't perfect, but its predictive value is still pretty good:

 

[ATP]

You get all stripes but a lot of times I see it's a time honored tradition for a politician to grift within the office.

As to the matter of the tanks. Ukraine is now that political problem your government is now beholden to send any aid to. You better hope that aid does reach them and they use it well.

I would feel better if they remained in Poland till USA send here 300 promised Abrams.Becouse USA led by dem like to sell their allies.

 

[Marduk]

I would feel better if they remained in Poland till USA send here 300 promised Abrams.Becouse USA led by dem like to sell their allies.

So far we got the first batch and an additional training set.

https://www.pap.pl/en/news/news%2C1376226%2Cabrams-training-tanks-already-poland-defence-minister.html

First batch of 28 US M1A2 Abrams tanks for Polish army arrives in Poland | Defense News July 2022 Global Security army industry | Defense Security global news industry army year 2022 | Archive News year

first 28 M1A2 Abrams tanks for the Polish army arrived in Poland. They will be used to train Polish soldiers

www.armyrecognition.com

At least one more ~30 tank batch is scheduled to arrive this year, which is quite fast by the standards of this industry.

 

[ATP]

So far we got the first batch and an additional training set.

https://www.pap.pl/en/news/news%2C1376226%2Cabrams-training-tanks-already-poland-defence-minister.html

First batch of 28 US M1A2 Abrams tanks for Polish army arrives in Poland | Defense News July 2022 Global Security army industry | Defense Security global news industry army year 2022 | Archive News year

first 28 M1A2 Abrams tanks for the Polish army arrived in Poland. They will be used to train Polish soldiers

www.armyrecognition.com

At least one more ~30 tank batch is scheduled to arrive this year, which is quite fast by the standards of this industry.

They should send their reserve tanks instead of new ones,at least those to replace T.72 and PT.91.
And they could send all 300 of them at once - they have in reserve at least 2000 of them.

I fear,that we again would nobly die for world - and world would say "bravo",sell us to Moscov and start their bussines as usual with them.

 

[Marduk]

They should send their reserve tanks instead of new ones,at least those to replace T.72 and PT.91.
And they could send all 300 of them at once - they have in reserve at least 2000 of them.

Old, pre digital refit models, so quite different controls, screens, interfaces etc from the current variants .
All the ones we get for training and even the short term replacement are one of the digital refit variants (M1A2 basic or SEP, M1A1 AIM, M1A1 SA).

I fear,that we again would nobly die for world - and world would say "bravo",sell us to Moscov and start their bussines as usual with them.

As far as the French and Germans are concerned, probably, and it shows in their current involvement compared to US and UK. And i'm not really sure if it's lack of will or means, because they lack both.

 

[ATP]

Old, pre digital refit models, so quite different controls, screens, interfaces etc from the current variants .
All the ones we get for training and even the short term replacement are one of the digital refit variants (M1A2 basic or SEP, M1A1 AIM, M1A1 SA).

As far as the French and Germans are concerned, probably, and it shows in their current involvement compared to US and UK. And i'm not really sure if it's lack of will or means, because they lack both.

1.Pre-digital models are still better then Pt91,or anything that Moscov had.

2.I prefer to think,that it is another german genial plan to take over Europe.This time they learned their lessons and decided to do so with Moscov.Dugin proposed such alliance once.
As for french - i think that they never stopped hating USA for saving them twice.

 

[Marduk]

1.Pre-digital models are still better then Pt91,or anything that Moscov had.

But they need separate training. And soon after it's done the tankers would need new training for digital A2, so a waste of effort.

2.I prefer to think,that it is another german genial plan to take over Europe.This time they learned their lessons and decided to do so with Moscov.Dugin proposed such alliance once.
As for french - i think that they never stopped hating USA for saving them twice.

They are acting as if they woke up with a hand in the shitter. They are doing what they can, and finding out that "what they can" encompasses surprisingly little, especially in short term. Trump's complaints about most of NATO not spending even the minimum 2% of GDP on the military are really coming around these days.

 

[D4rk0w1]

Our politicians are either traitors or idiots unable to comprehend what is going on.Yes,we should support Ukraine - but not destroy Poland !

Have you check their bank accounts? It is usually the best idea when your politicians start acting shitter than normal. I mean most politicians are addicted to short term gains and "vote winners" decision rather than long term health of the country.

 

[WolfBear]

Ukrainian family fear becoming homeless after being rejected by 15 landlords

Maxim and Olga Hyryk are still struggling to find somewhere to rent with their five young children and two mothers despite raising £20,000 after fleeing to Britain

www.independent.co.uk

Ukraine loses its best friend Boris. What happens next?

Boris Johnson’s imminent departure as UK prime minister has unnerved his allies in Kyiv.

www.politico.eu

Opinion | Putin Performs for Russia, and Ukraine Is the Stage - The N…

archived 26 Jul 2022 05:32:04 UTC

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[Arch Dornan]

I would feel better if they remained in Poland till USA send here 300 promised Abrams.Becouse USA led by dem like to sell their allies.

Reality isn't ideal when Zelensky has been asking for more and more aid even as they use it up, got destroyed, captured or tapped out on the credit they're heavily in debt to get the results to justify why they still need it.