Let's not be happy at people dying. As far as I know, he did nothing evil.
Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)
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planefag
A Flying Bundle of Sticks
The hundreds of pictures showing trashed Russian equipment strewn all over the Kyiv region isn't enough? Oh right, you'll just go "lalala propaganda" to that too lmao
sillygoose
Well-known member
Twitter pics aren't confirmed as being authentic Russian losses. But you're welcome to keep masturbating to them all you like.
Yes, I just posted it, at which point you attempted to claim they get all their info from Ukrainian general staff, when they don't, and then ignore it.
But guess what? Ignoring the truth doesn't make that truth disappear.
Nope, there's a confirmed list.
You really should do a better job at back tracking your twitter.
Because that claim originated from Sputnik news and other Russian sources, and it was a statement made by MoD spokesman Igor Konashenkov not whoever that twitter person attempted to claim.
Actually Kyiv is getting hit by cruise missiles, not jet delivered bombs.
prinCZess
Warrior, Writer, Performer, Perv
Oh those poor Ukrainian bastards. They've been saddled with something terrible: Western talking-heads.
www.washingtonexaminer.com
Apparently some yabo-commentator from MSNBC up and full-on enlisted in Ukraine's Foreign Legion (presuming it's not a publicity stunt).
Yabo-commentator somewhat famous in the immediate past I recall because he twitter-dumbness-said/thought that Chernobyl was an active power plant. I presume he has other instances of dumbery that could be found just because...all these talking-head people do.
I guess...To give credit, it's more honest than what much of the media is doing where they're pro-Ukraine but from their safe bubbles outside Ukraine.
MSNBC analyst Malcolm Nance reveals he joined fight in Ukraine - Washington Examiner
A well-known MSNBC analyst, who apparently just cut ties with the cable news network, has joined Ukraine's fight against invading Russian forces.Malcolm Nance, an author and former military intelligence analyst, appeared for an interview Monday with MSNBC host Joy Reid, who said he was in a...
www.washingtonexaminer.com
Apparently some yabo-commentator from MSNBC up and full-on enlisted in Ukraine's Foreign Legion (presuming it's not a publicity stunt).
Yabo-commentator somewhat famous in the immediate past I recall because he twitter-dumbness-said/thought that Chernobyl was an active power plant. I presume he has other instances of dumbery that could be found just because...all these talking-head people do.
I guess...To give credit, it's more honest than what much of the media is doing where they're pro-Ukraine but from their safe bubbles outside Ukraine.
sillygoose
Well-known member
Propaganda isn't truth. Do you accept Russian general staff pronouncements at face value? I don't. You shouldn't do that with the Ukrainians either especially since they've been proven to be lying repeatedly.
Again pictures of knocked out tanks isn't confirmation that they were actually Russian. A random Turkish blog isn't an authoritative source either.Nope, there's a confirmed list.
Yet you'll buy anything the Ukrainian twitter account says.
But if you want there is Reuters:
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Ukraine says Russia begins eastern offensive, missiles kill 7 in Lviv
Ukraine said on Monday Russia had started an anticipated new offensive in the east of the country while a Russian missile attack killed seven people in Lviv, the first civilian victims in the western city about 60 km (40 miles) from Poland.
www.reuters.com
Of course Ukraine doesn't want to acknowledge what was in those warehouses.
Launched by aircraft:
Russia's Air Force Is Now Pummeling Ukraine with Cruise Missiles
Russian aircraft launched six cruise missiles at the western Ukrainian city of Lviv as well as the capital of Kyiv early on Friday morning.
www.19fortyfive.com
Oh those poor Ukrainian bastards. They've been saddled with something terrible: Western talking-heads.
MSNBC analyst Malcolm Nance reveals he joined fight in Ukraine - Washington Examiner
A well-known MSNBC analyst, who apparently just cut ties with the cable news network, has joined Ukraine's fight against invading Russian forces.Malcolm Nance, an author and former military intelligence analyst, appeared for an interview Monday with MSNBC host Joy Reid, who said he was in a...
Apparently some yabo-commentator from MSNBC up and full-on enlisted in Ukraine's Foreign Legion (presuming it's not a publicity stunt).
Yabo-commentator somewhat famous in the immediate past I recall because he twitter-dumbness-said/thought that Chernobyl was an active power plant. I presume he has other instances of dumbery that could be found just because...all these talking-head people do.
I guess...To give credit, it's more honest than what much of the media is doing where they're pro-Ukraine but from their safe bubbles outside Ukraine.
Malcolm Nance is like super old. He must be pushing past sixty.
He might have some utility for the Ukrainian military considering his background but I doubt it would be on the frontlines. 😛
Still props to him for actually going there and volunteering.
I've seen a number of dead Russian tank crews that would disagree about that. Also, one warehouse getting bombed, even if it was full of weapons (which you don't have sources for), doesn't prove that the majority of aid is being interdicted.
You're free to claim that, but I'd point that last time you raised this point, @planefag put out a fairly comprehensive looking rebuttal, to which you replied to with:
Which is not really a compelling counter-argument. This is the exact "the pro-Russian side cannot get their arguments together to save their lives" thing I said together. Maybe planefag is wrong or is oryx is lying, but you have to actually put in the work to disprove them and actually make a point. Because if you make a point, are challenged, and then run away only to silently re-raise it later, it just makes you look dishonest.....and also kinda dumb, because did you think no one would remember this exchange from just a few pages ago?
sillygoose
Well-known member
Sure, there are probably several hundred Russian tanks that have taken damage or been knocked out. Russian casualty claims are of course undercounts just as much as Ukrainian ones are overcounts.
3 warehouses according to the Ukrainians. The source about it being a weapons stockpile was the Russians. The Ukrainians won't admit of course that that is what happened, so getting an impartial source is impossible. Thing is the bombing of warehouses in Lviv was acknowledged and given that that is a major center for transport from Poland it is more likely than not that it had equipment in it. If you don't want to accept that, that's your business.
Yeah he 'sperged the fuck out.
Clearly you're into that shit because it fits your biases.
Thing is no actual sources for any claims in that sperg out were listed to prove anything, just lots of desperate wishful thinking.
I'm not pro-Russian, I'm anti-Ukrainian propaganda and being lied to by my own government, which has been doing so since I've been alive. Sorry bro, I don't have to put any work in to disproving that which has not been effectively proven in the first place. Again your biases are showing.
Besides, nothing I say is going to convince you, Planefag, or several other posters here anyway and its just going to turn into a giant waste of time to type out large arguments.
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planefag
A Flying Bundle of Sticks
So, when faced with two sources, both of which have motive to lie, you, being the anti-propaganda rational poster that you are, elect to distrust both until you get more information, right?
Yes, that looks like the words of a man that doesn't take sides and is just demanding a reasonable level of proof from everyone.
"There are no sources listed". What? Do you need every single thing spoonfed to you and hyperlinked out so you don't even have to spend the 2 minutes it took me to double check a few points (like the fact that, say, the BTR 3 and 4 are only used by Ukraine, exactly as plane said)?
This isn't about biases, this is about plane, and by extension most of the rest of the pro-Ukraine side, putting in the work to assemble evidence, present a case, argue it, and actually respond to reasoned arguments, which your side (yes, I saw you said you don't have a side. I don't believe you) repeatedly doesn't do.
See, I would believe that, if when you had presented a counterpoint saying "this is accurate because reasons, dummy" you effectively hyperfocused on the fact plane was rude to you and scrambled away from any sort of real argument, and are now once again backing away from that counterargument because no hyperlinks.
So then why are you here, if you're not going to meaningfully engage with anything anyone says, other than to go "well, that doesn't meet my standard of proof which is X.....oh, you have X, I mean my standard is Y, yes, it's Y, unless you have that too, then it's Z"? if this how you're going to engage, then no, you're not going to convince me, because you're not actually bringing anything to the table here other than "I don't trust the government because they lie, but it's possible this thing the Russians, a famously honest country, said is not a lie so I will assume it's true".
Exactly, I was wondering if he was testing the American public's opinion about another foreign military adventure or he is genuinely wanted a direct American troops involvement in Ukraine. This seems to be a pointless escalation at the moment since the most pragmatic NATO could do for Ukraine is to make them fight to last Ukrainian to bleed Russia white and profit from all the weapon sales with a bonus of burying Ukraine with debt to USA thus putting any future Ukrainian government even if they become Pro-Russian in the future firmly into USA's pocket.
planefag
A Flying Bundle of Sticks
He thought that was rude? He hasn't seen anything yet.
How about we have less of this anti-aspie prejudice here?
It really doesn't help the discussion along.
Agent23
Ни шагу назад!
Azovstal is huge and reportedly has a lot of underground levels, maybe Azov/the Elenski clown regime were using it to stockpile weapons, including weapons they weren't officially supposed to have yet.
Carrot of Truth
War is Peace
If it was an aircraft carrier then it would be worth the effort of salvaging but its just a cruiser so I suppose itll just rust in the black sea.