Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[Husky_Khan]

Three spots for two Neptune Missiles? Then again the Moskva hasn't technically sunk.

 

[Zachowon]

I was thinking more like redneck D-Day.

"OK, so we need to take these beaches, but we don't have any real landing craft, but we do have this guy's bass boat, and that's basically the same thing. Actually, it's better, because landing craft don't have a sound system. I hope you guys like AC/DC, because the owner says the CD is stuck in the tray and won't come out, so that's we're listening to."

I mean that would STILL be better then this.
Because at least Rednecks know hot to shoot

 

[Agent23]

Looking forward to the "no, we let the Ukrainians blow up our flagship on purpose, because in letting them destroy it we tricked them into expending all thier anti-ship missiles so now they can't sink these civilian fish boats we stole and spray painted a Z onto" narrative.

https://news.yahoo.com/pentagon-confirms-explosion-aboard-russian-135835087.html

In an interview on CNN, Kirby said the explosion was “sizable enough” that U.S. officials “picked up indications that other naval vessels around her tried to come to her assistance.”

“Eventually, that wasn’t apparently needed, so she’s making her own way now across the Black Sea,” Kirby said, “and we’ll continue to try to monitor this as best we can.”

Except that it is not sunk, still afloat and moving on its own power.

The only image I saw doesn't show any structural damage and the ship just looks like it is spewing smoke from two spots, maybe it is stock footage, who knows.

Franky this might have been a sabotage attempt, since this ship has a crew of over 500, and since Ukraine and Russia were one country 30 years ago.

Or it is just an old ship(40+ years of service IIRC) in a fleet that is in a state of war, and mishaps happen.

Frankly though, it is probably just a storm in a teacup.

 

[paulobrito]

Frankly, the only thing people on this thread know - with all our levels of clearance (LOL) - is that some kind of explosion happened on the ship.
Can be a hit, sabotage, or accident. All are known to happen during a conflict.

 

[Agent23]

So, yeah, posting this here again:

No explosion, ship still afloat, moving under own power.
You may now switch to actual porn to continue with the dick stroking.😂

 

[Agent23]

Frankly, the only thing people on this thread know - with all our levels of clearance (LOL) - is that some kind of explosion happened on the ship.
Can be a hit, sabotage, or accident. All are known to happen during a conflict.

That doesn't stop them dick stroking whenever early, partial, unconfirmed news about something bad happening to the Russians arises, even if the news is pants on head retarded.

Also:

 

[Husky_Khan]

That doesn't stop them dick stroking whenever early, partial, unconfirmed news about something bad happening to the Russians arises.

Also:

I love that Celine Dion soundtrack.

 

[Husky_Khan]

So, yeah, posting this here again:

"We do assess that there was an explosion, at least one explosion on this cruiser. A fairly major one at that, that has caused extensive damage to the ship," Kirby said.

No explosion,

I'm glad we have such excellent ombudsman here.

 

[Abhorsen]

No explosion, ship still afloat, moving under own power.
You may now switch to actual porn to continue with the dick stroking.😂

He literally says there was an explosion with major damage. Read your source?

 

[Battlegrinder]

Franky this might have been a sabotage attempt, since this ship has a crew of over 500, and since Ukraine and Russia were one country 30 years ago.

Or it is just an old ship(40+ years of service IIRC) in a fleet that is in a state of war, and mishaps happen.

You do realize that deflecting claims your warship was damaged by enemy action by instead saying that no, you blew it up yourself through your own incompetence in either operating the ship or vetting it's crew makes you look worse, not better, right?

 

[Agent23]

He literally says there was an explosion with major damage. Read your source?

Oof, now why did I misread 'an' as 'no'?

In any case, ship is afloat, ship is moving under its own power, as I covered in the other thread.
So, no dick stroking for the usual suspects.

 

[Agent23]

You do realize that deflecting claims your warship was damaged by enemy action by instead saying that no, you blew it up yourself through your own incompetence in either operating the ship or vetting it's crew makes you look worse, not better, right?

It is a very old ship, and one not completely refitted.
And it did not blow up, it is still capable of movement, seaworthy, and iirc from another article its main armament wasn't damaged.
So, yeah, storm in a teacup, these things happen, like when that US troopship burned last year.
Tech sometimes fails, people sometime make mistakes.

When did you start rooting for Russia, btw?

 

[Husky_Khan]

So, yeah, posting this here again:

No explosion, ship still afloat, moving under own power.
You may now switch to actual porn to continue with the dick stroking.😂

Yeah it looks like the same account was already referenced by Bacle like... over half an hour ago.

Feel free to continue strawmanning tho...

It's amazing how the rest of us are somehow able to operate with independent thought without kneejerk pro-Russian Propaganda hot takes, actually posting contrary narratives and the like when new information comes out. Shocking.

 

[Battlegrinder]

It is a very old ship, and one not completely refitted.

Every Russia ship is old and outdated.

And it did not blow up, it is still capable of movement, seaworthy, and iirc from another article its main armament wasn't damaged.
So, yeah, storm in a teacup, these things happen, like when that US troopship burned last year.
Tech sometimes fails, people sometime make mistakes.

I'm not particularly interested in phrasing my statement to be accurate vs demeaning to Russia, "Russia says the Ukrainians have nothing on Russia when it come to blowing up Russian ships" is funnier than the entirely accurate version.

Also, these things don't "just happen" when you're talking about a ship that costs hundreds millions of rubles, or in US terms, several dozen dollars. When you invest that much money in something, having someone accidentally cripple it through thier own incompetence is inexcusable.

 

[Agent23]

Every Russia ship is old and outdated.



I'm not particularly interested in phrasing my statement to be accurate vs demeaning to Russia, "Russia says the Ukrainians have nothing on Russia when it come to blowing up Russian ships" is funnier than the entirely accurate version.

Also, these things don't "just happen" when you're talking about a ship that costs hundreds millions of rubles, or in US terms, several dozen dollars. When you invest that much money in something, having someone accidentally cripple it through thier own incompetence is inexcusable.

Munitions blew up inside of it, the ship itself did not blow up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_USS_Forrestal_fire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Bonhomme_Richard_(LHD-6)#July_2020_fire

 

[Battlegrinder]

Munitions blew up inside of it, the ship itself did not blow up.

What part of "I don't care, I'm saying it this way because it's funny" was not clear the first time?

 

[Buba]

Also, these things don't "just happen" when you're talking about a ship that costs hundreds millions of rubles, or in US terms, several dozen dollars. When you invest that much money in something, having someone accidentally cripple it through thier own incompetence is inexcusable.

Read up on the Kuznetsov.
Step one - put ship in floating drydock for repairs
Step two - have floating drydock sink
Step three - have crane fall on carrier and make a hole in the deck
Step four - send welders aboard to effect repairs, place one next to a barrel of inflamable liquid ...

 

[bintananth]

It's amazing how the rest of us are somehow able to operate with independent thought without kneejerk pro-Russian Propaganda hot takes, actually posting contrary narratives and the like when new information comes out. Shocking.

Here's what we know: Moskva was damaged because something went BOOM!

Even Russia is confirming that bit of info. Reports on the extent of the damage range from "sunk" to "underway on own power".

The actual damage and the "who dunnit" is all just heresay at the moment.

 

[Agent23]

I think the plan was to replace the Moskva with some helicarrier currently in construction.
Fram what I understand it was kept around because it was big enough to properly house an admiral and staff.

Anyways, back to the Slav Civil War:

 

[ATP]

Frankly, the only thing people on this thread know - with all our levels of clearance (LOL) - is that some kind of explosion happened on the ship.
Can be a hit, sabotage, or accident. All are known to happen during a conflict.

If it was any other fleet,i would call it bullshit.But,russians sunked Kursk with its own torpedo,so accident is possible