Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)
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strunkenwhite
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1. The damage is minimal
2. It's still afloat
3. It was only a flagship, we are already building another one
4. Who cares about 40 year old pieces of shit like that anyway?
5. Other navies lose ships all the time, they drop like flies, this is normal. Ghost of Kyiv!
Buba
A total creep
And the man with most responsibility for the loss of those battlecruisers was so well connected that ... he got promoted.
So many memes popping up as a result of this munitions explosion.
Oh wait... that last guy isn't a memer, that's apparently an actual serious pro-Russian account.
Oh wait... that last guy isn't a memer, that's apparently an actual serious pro-Russian account.
Casus Belli? Over an accidental munitions explosion and a heavy sea state?
Who are they going to declare war on? Ukraine? Ukraine is where the shipyard where they are built is located! Declaring War on Ukraine is the absolute dumbest thing to do if you want them to build a replacement to the Moskva that was lost in a tragic munitions accident and storm. That's not Ukraine's fault. That's Neptunes fault.
Anyways it's not a big deal. As we've already learned in this thread, the Russians are replacing the Moskva, a guided missile cruiser, with a brand new amphibious helicopter assault ship, the Mitrofan Moskalenko that has FOUR TIMES THE TONNAGE and ONE FORTIETH THE AIR DEFENSE AND SURFACE POWER of the Moskva it's apparently replacing.
And as I learned from this handy video... the Moskva was supposed to be replaced around... 2040 which... judging by the delays in the Kuznetsov refit and the Lider-class Destroyer.... 2040 seems like a reasonable time frame for the launch of the replacement Mitrofan Moskalenko.
Someone apperently that is proving Oryx wrong...
Agent23
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Remind me, who lost a much newer ship recently?
Anyway, here is ArmchairWarlord's take on the whole situation, and I generally see it as superior to all the chicknehawk quacking going on here:
Agent23
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Yeah, British managerial skills at their finest.
So you want to play the lost game Okie Dokie............
The True Story of the Russian Kursk Submarine Disaster
A navy fleet exercise became a desperate race to recover survivors hundreds of feet beneath the sea.
www.popularmechanics.com
Steel Tomb: The Worst Russian Submarine Disasters of All Time
While some of the accidents could be blamed on the lax safety features of Cold War-era Soviet submarines, since 2000 the Russian Navy has also seen several submarine disasters, including some in port.
nationalinterest.org
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Russia’s only aircraft carrier is damaged when dock sinks, crane punches huge hole in ship
The carrier had undergone repairs and was leaving when the floating dock sank.
www.militarytimes.com
Russian aircraft carrier towed home after break down
Russia's only aircraft carrier, Admiral Kuznetsov, is seen here being towed home after breaking down in a storm.
ukdefencejournal.org.uk
You don't want to go tip for tap on who has had the worst Naval Disasters. You will lose.
Agent23
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The USA did not lose a large portion of its shipbuilding industries and did not get hit with massive economic and social damage followed by a lost decade in the 1990s.So you want to play the lost game Okie Dokie............
The True Story of the Russian Kursk Submarine Disaster
A navy fleet exercise became a desperate race to recover survivors hundreds of feet beneath the sea.Steel Tomb: The Worst Russian Submarine Disasters of All Time
While some of the accidents could be blamed on the lax safety features of Cold War-era Soviet submarines, since 2000 the Russian Navy has also seen several submarine disasters, including some in port.Russia’s only aircraft carrier is damaged when dock sinks, crane punches huge hole in ship
The carrier had undergone repairs and was leaving when the floating dock sank.Russian aircraft carrier towed home after break down
Russia's only aircraft carrier, Admiral Kuznetsov, is seen here being towed home after breaking down in a storm.
You don't want to go tip for tap on who has had the worst Naval Disasters. You will lose.
And besides, as I argued back on SB years ago, they have always been a primarily land power that traditionally under-invests in their navy, with the primary focus usually being SSBNs.
So, yeah, I think they are doing OK given the circumstances, with a program to modernize underway.
It is sad the ship bought it, but it is not the unmitigated disaster proving across the board Russian incompetence chickenhawks on here try to make it out to be.
Ah huh yeah I see........... Cope.
Megadeath
Well-known member
Still better than Russian naval ineptitude. They have a proud history of such, stretching back to the glorious battle of Tsushima and the related dogger bank incident.
Agent23
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strunkenwhite
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Agent23
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Sorry, I don't watch Elenski's crappy cinema, I could barely stomach ten minutes of Rzhevsky Versus Napoleon and the guy's small dick overcompensation is eyeroll-inducing, even when they try to play it as tongue in cheek comedy.
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Megadeath
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Of course he hasn't. I've never seen anyone who so blatantly ignores anything and everything that doesn't fit their preconceived notions. He tries to justify things that don't fit, but if he can't do that he'll literally just put his fingers in his ears and go "LA LA LA" like a toddler hoping to get out of bedtime.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
The ship was nearly lost with all hands? How the hell did that happen? Modern warships are designed not to sink too quickly and she must have had support vessels nearby.
Agent23
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It was built in the 70s
paulobrito
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That depends of what you call modern warship.
The design of the Slava class is from the 60's and the ship has laid down in 76, launched in 79 and commissioned in 82. Is an old warship, of a not particular good design, with apparently crappy security/damage-control measures.
The design of the Slava class is from the 60's and the ship has laid down in 76, launched in 79 and commissioned in 82. Is an old warship, of a not particular good design, with apparently crappy security/damage-control measures.