Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[Marduk]

Sure, if you ignore the multiple times before the final success of Communism in Cuba we did intervene militarily (which was your actual argument until this goalpost shift), the decade long proxy war we fought beforehand by arming Batista, then the Bay of Pigs, the multi decade lone blockade that has continued to the modern day, and the literal hundreds of assassination attempts on Cuban leadership.

And how many of those interventions were on the basis of cooperation with the recognized government?
That was much closer to Russian involvement in Syria than in Ukraine.
A decade of half assed efforts that slowly ramped down too.

Oh, and the fact the Soviets placed hundreds of tactical nuclear weapons in Cuba and threatened to use them in case we ever did send in the Marines; an effective deterrent, to be sure.

Before which USA had years to do it and didn't. You can stop spinning the facts now.
Cuba itself was not even the priority there, Soviet-US nuclear strategy was.

As for Russia and Ukraine, Cuba doesn't feature a large ethno-linguistic American minority being abused for eight years,

Your regurgitation of the proper, official Kremlin line is pathetic. Now, thanks to the experience of "Russian world" even most ethnic Russians in Ukraine hate Russia

isn't seeking to join the Neo-Warsaw Pact nor does it currently intend to host Sino-Russian weapon systems.

Aren't you perhaps confusing "not seeking" with "no one is offering"?

 

[planefag]

Since the globalist are ruling Spain, Portugal and Italy are making my life is miserable where I live, where my friends and family live. So causing a thermonuclear war for Ukraine backed by the same people that ostracized us IS DEFINITEVILY NOT ON THE PRIORITY LIST.

For Ukraine? Are you a complete idiot, or are some parts still on backorder? If we were doing this for Ukraine then why haven't we attacked China to end the literal fucking genocide going on there already? I'm getting tired of explaining why NATO considers this war an existential threat so scroll back in the thread and find my previous comments on it.

 

[TheRejectionist]

For Ukraine? Are you a complete idiot, or are some parts still on backorder? If we were doing this for Ukraine then why haven't we attacked China to end the literal fucking genocide going on there already? I'm getting tired of explaining why NATO considers this war an existential threat so scroll back in the thread and find my previous comments on it.

Besides totalitarian globalist cosmopolitan imperial monopolism, the only existential threats in the world are namely the US and NATO and China. Which the first two are puppets of above mentioned, the third entity is a collaborator.

I wouldn't care NATO reasoning since the only reason why it exist is to remove sovereignity of nations so everyone can be equally under their boot. Not to mention all NATO nations treated me like a leper for 2 years straight.

NATO could stop existing and I wouldn't care and I will probably make a toast to its demise if it ever happens in my lifetime.

It's a waste of money, lives and more so that the rich can live longer and get richer, it's just the armed wing of the shadow elite.

NATO is not even united, the only wants to support the Ukranian war effort are memelords and Poles, Baltics and few more.

Germany did their own thing and sent helmets. Hungary likely doesn't want to do anything despite Orban struggle against Russian communism. Slovakia is timid at best.

Only countries that are doing something it's Italy, US and a few more limp puppets.

Hopefully I will see the demise of it in my lifetime and it doesn't drag the whole world to hell with it.

 

[Zachowon]

Yes, actually. I'm glad to see you finally have a coherent take.

You don't understand sarcasm.

Even peopl3 like Steven Crowder arnt supporting Russia. He knows Russia is the bad guy but still sees that the establishment is trying to use it to distract.

Thinking Russia is in the right is playing into the lefts hands. Using ot against us

 

[SchrodingersWehraboo]

I can literally hear the RT.com soundbytes about "the deep divisions within the Enemy Ranks" coming through your posts.

You wrote threads moping about how irreparably divided our society was every week back on twitter.

 

[planefag]

Besides totalitarian globalist cosmopolitan imperial monopolism, the only existential threats in the world are namely the US and NATO and China.

So Russia, with its thousands of deliverable thermonuclear warheads, isn't an existential threat to the alliance formed specifically to counter Russian aggression? Do you have velcro on your shoes?

 

[prinCZess]

People criticize this without seeing the ingenious truth. Nobody is concerned about the Russian cloning capabilities three identical actors imply. Perhaps especially if it is focused upon the production of XX-chromosome possessing humans? Presuming there are no post-production kinks (hehe) in the system, they're producing a self-replicating piece of equipment. A solution to their demographic concerns!

 

[Megadeath]

Remember that when the Left calls our side nazis again. They hate us and want to murder us all.

I've called several people on your "side" nazis. Because several of them are. Doesn't mean I want everyone who has the same views as you on tax structure and foreign policy rotting in an unmarked grave. Just, ya know, the actual nazis.

Thinking in terms of sides is wrong in the first place, and that kinda amorphous assumption of literally millions of individuals as being a unanimous, malign entity because some individuals remind you of some other bad group is exactly why. Not all of "the right" are nazis. Not all the people you lump in as "the Left" believe they are. Not all the ones who believe everyone right of center is a Nazi actually want them dead because of it. Some people do want everyone on the right dead. I've certainly seen evidence on this site that there's some who think everyone on the left deserves to be dead.

It turns out, you can't judge a person's entire personality and value base just from their opinion of fiscal policy and tax structure. Very few people do agree with "their" side in it's entirety, and even fewer fit the extremist caricatures that those obsessed with "sides" like to paint of one another, and justify by pointing to a handful of individuals and saying "They're leftists. They believe this. This is bad. Therefore all leftists believe this, and are bad themselves." or vice versa.

 

[Agent23]

That's not a very long time historically...

Longer than between the establishment of whatever Poland was called between 1918 and the Molotov-Ribentropp pact, I think.
Also, it is the West that demanded we cut up our Istanbul-capable FROG and SCUD missiles and get rid of some of our highly enriched fissile materiel.

Again i have no fucking idea what ridiculous theory that probably includes supporting commies you are talking about here.

>a war with fucking Soviets
>expansionist
No, a war against Soviets is by definition defensive on account of being on the same planet if nothing else, and there were plenty of other reasons.
Soviets were the ultimate expansionist force in Europe. They had ambitions going as far as Spain.

Henry Kissinger, John Lewis Gaddis, Richard Nixon and Geroge F. Kennan certainly were commies.Sarcasm!
The USSR was not as expansionist as your propaganda would lead you to believe.

And it is not like you didn't try to build something called an Intermarium or aided the Soviets various enemies, then refused to join any Europe-wide security framework with them to stop Germany.
Also, you already confirmed that you want Ukraine because you have the illusion of oil in the black sea in your head.
What was it you said, "wannabe superpower shit".
Classic Polish cycle.
We have gone over this ad nauseum, Pole.
You had buffers between yourself and Russia, you and your buddies went for regime change and NATO inclusion for them,thus supporting all sorts of nazi larping garbage.
Go cry somewhere else about "muh anti-Polish Russian aggression".

Is it more of the "if you don't give Russia everything it demands, when it wants it, you are antagonizing Russia" clownery?

Clownery is not differentiating between modern-day Russia and the USSR, which was a historic aberration driven by stupid ideology, much like the country whose boots you are licking now.

Yadda yadda Russian cycle aswell.
Yeah, sure, go on, keep believing that Russia became the largest country in the world by being totally peaceful and non-expansionist

Show me on this doll where Putin hurt you!

Yup, the Pole is being a broken record again, my ree piniata will not deposit any interesting new treats.

 

[TheRejectionist]

So Russia, with its thousands of deliverable thermonuclear warheads, isn't an existential threat to the alliance formed specifically to counter Russian aggression? Do you have velcro on your shoes?

Formed when there was no Soviet faction equivalent.
Formed after you influenced or overthrew elected governments for decades or more.
Formed when you had nukes amd they hadn't.
I have the NATO missiles and ground forces in all the countries I have friends or loved ones. Countries that your elite wouldn't hesitate to throw under the bus if they feel like it.
Countries that had to follow your elite policies and suffered the consequences of them.

So yeah, I consider your neofeudal militaristic monopoly a bigger threat than the Russians.

 

[Agent23]

"Ukie animals"? The fuck, man?

SBU/Azov/other assorted neo-nazis and the garbage that puppeteers the clown of Kiev.
EDIT: There, I clarified who I meant in the OP, happy now that my post doesn't appear as politically incorrect?

 

[Marduk]

Longer than between the establishment of whatever Poland was called between 1918 and the Molotov-Ribentropp pact, I think.
Also, it is the West that demanded we cut up our Istanbul-capable FROG and SCUD missiles and get rid of some of our highly enriched fissile materiel.

Oh my, don't you think that would antagonize Turkey?

Henry Kissinger, John Lewis Gaddis, Richard Nixon and Geroge F. Kennan certainly were commies.Sarcasm!
The USSR was not as expansionist as your propaganda would lead you to believe.

Yeah, yeah, they always have an excuse that just happens to be bullshit.
So some western politicians were delusionally optimistic about them, what a point.

And it is not like you didn't try to build something called an Intermarium or aided the Soviets various enemies, then refused to join any Europe-wide security framework with them to stop Germany.

OMG countries have diplomacy and seek alliances, how imperialist! Almost as cunningly evil as NATO itself!
Also nice term to replace "get willingly occupied by Soviets like a moron and let them station forces in your country that won't be leaving afterwards" with.

Also, you already confirmed that you want Ukraine because you have the illusion of oil in the black sea in your head.
What was it you said, "wannabe superpower shit".
Classic Polish cycle.
We have gone over this ad nauseum, Pole.
You had buffers between yourself and Russia, you and your buddies went for regime change and NATO inclusion for them,thus supporting all sorts of nazi larping garbage.
Go cry somewhere else about "muh anti-Polish Russian aggression".

We had buffers?
What buffers, you map-illiterate Russian doormat?
When did Russia cede the Kaliningrad enclave to someone else, must have missed the party.
They didn't even consider negotiating to demilitarize it permanently you propaganda parrot.
Its a ridiculous case of "buffers for me, not for thee" at best, and they were always going to integrate the "buffers" into Russia when opportunity, necessity or ability to easily absorb them presented itself. Buffer your head before you repeat such idiocy next time.
Also you thinking that accusing someone of "wannabe superpower shit" makes any sense while being a russiaboo is just laughable.

Clownery is not differentiating between modern-day Russia and the USSR, which was a historic aberration driven by stupid ideology, much like the country whose boots you are licking now.

Its hard to differentiate between them when russiaboos like you for some strange reason make excuses for both anyway, if you haven't noticed in this very post even. Besides, reminder that Russia was ruled by shitheels also before being driven by said stupid ideology too.

Show me on this doll where Putin hurt you!

Yup, the Pole is being a broken record again, my ree piniata will not deposit any interesting new treats.

Ok, back to reposting old shitty memes then.

 

[Agent23]

**tape rewind and replay**

Dude, we have gone over this shit already, go buy some Ginko-Billoba pills or tea if you are having memory problems.

 

[Marduk]

Dude, we have gone over this shit already, go buy some Ginko-Billoba pills or tea if you are having memory problems.

Guess i've yet again exhausted the limits of a parrot's core ability, parroting other people's excuses and propaganda, and demanded it to do some thinking of its own thinking, i'm so very sorry.

 

[Agent23]

Guess i've yet again exhausted the limits of a parrot's core ability, parroting other people's excuses and propaganda.

No, you are just conveniently forgetting that Kaliningrad is tiny and isolated from the Russian mainland and the likelyhood of Russia doing a successful invasion from it are close to zero, as we covered already.
At best it could maybe serve as a diversion.

Your buffers were a neutral Ukraine and neutral Belarus, but then you your Baltic three stooges and your imperial overlords in Brussels and Washington decided to blow that arrangement, as we covered before.

Also, for a NATO/USA fanboy and Polish jingoist you have surprisingly little faith in your alliances and your own country's defenses.

The only new thing you mention here is the SCUDs, and those were pre-existing and didn't damage our post-1989 relations with Ankara.
And as I said, we have decent neighborly relations with the Turks, a far cry from your obsession with the Russians, oh they did do a lot of shit here, but that doesn't mean we ree about it like mad dogs in public every chance we get.
That of course doesn't mean we t trust or like the turks, but overall we are doing far better than you are with Russians, since rabbid dog mutual antagonism 24/7 will produce no beneficial results.

 

[TheRejectionist]

Or as a sacrificial lamb.

 

[Marduk]

No, you are just conveniently forgetting that Kaliningrad is tiny and isolated from the Russian mainland and the likelyhood of Russia doing a successful invasion from it are close to zero, as we covered already.

Yeah, sounds like... a oversized military base, sure.
So? Still plenty enough room to try, and to place plenty AA, artillery, intel systems to support an invasion from Belarus, and any amount of troops Russia is able to stash supplies for inside before.
Nevermind nuclear weapons.

 

[Aldarion]

Dude, they wrote the book on that which the former are now copying ineptly. Half? That's rookie numbers, think moving around dozens of ethnic groups and getting them to supervise each other and have frozen conflicts that will blow up into a Balkans scenario the moment oligarch's boot is lifted.
And they were doing this shit long before America's ruling class even knew terms like "affirmative action".

If you want to look at it that way, it was the Ottomans who started doing that, by using various ethnic groups as border guards, giving some groups privileges over others, and in general not caring about stuff such as ethnicity and culture. Austrians then continued, then British (with Yugoslavia), and then Communists turned the gear up to 11.

 

[Agent23]

If you want to look at it that way, it was the Ottomans who started doing that, by using various ethnic groups as border guards, giving some groups privileges over others, and in general not caring about stuff such as ethnicity and culture. Austrians then continued, then British (with Yugoslavia), and then Communists turned the gear up to 11.

Actually I am pretty sure you Romans did that with the Federati system?

Yeah, sounds like... a oversized military base, sure.
So? Still plenty enough room to try, and to place plenty AA, artillery, intel systems to support an invasion from Belarus, and any amount of troops Russia is able to stash supplies for inside before.
Nevermind nuclear weapons.

Can you explain to me why they would need to attack you?
There is no Russian population there, any invasion would be bitterly opposed by a decent-sized modernized army and angry populous, and unlike Ukraine there is no real historic connection between your lands and the Russian lands.
To the Russians you are probably just a former annoying antagonist, an upstart that got its ass spanked hard, and a reeing US/UK proxy.
You do have one decent sized copper and silver mine, some coal, but that is IIRC all the strategic resources you have, and the Russians have all the land and minerals they can ever want.
Why the hell should they waste time on you guys?
Because the Russkies are pissed off at you for talking smack on CS?
Because GoG's client can't into working with external hard-drives and Discord properly?

Sounds like the peace between you and the Russians is yours to destroy and they really don't give a fuck.

This stinks like more pig-headed Polish hubris.

 

[Aldarion]

Actually I am pretty sure you Romans did that with the Federati system?

Not really. Foederati were border guards, but were not used as an internal police force as a mater of policy (there were exceptions on a case-by-case basis however). Ottomans on the other hand intentionally favored Orthodox Christians over Catholics, using former to keep the latter under supervision because Catholic countries were the only serious opposition they had left in Europe.