Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

VKS continues its high operational tempo of 300 sorties a day.
Excuse me, but what the fuck is this standard for "high operational tempo"?
The Syrian Arab Airforce? Perhaps Eritrean or Ethiopian?
For comparison, one typical US supercarrier, you know, a big tin can cramped with lots of aircraft bouncing on the sea, can generate about 100 sorties per day, and up to 200 with accelerated, wartime procedures, while the new Ford class can to get up to 270 for a short time.
Meanwhile, the Russian airforce, operating from comfortable airbases on land, struggles to equal even 2 of these.
For comparison, the coalition forces in Desert Storm had an average of around 2500 sorties per day during the 43 day campaign. That's why this mess is being called dollar store Desert Storm.
People only being able to afford calorie rich, nutrient poor soylent green knock offs is not the mark of a wealthy society.
The truly poor societies cannot afford that. Some mid wealth ones do, but these either get fat because they don't have a culture to handle the availability, or not, because they move around enough to burn these calories. USA has both problems.
People become lazy due to only being stuffed with 'food' that breaks their metabolism. That's not counting all the drugs people consume to be able to psychologically function in a messed up society. The elites created this food situation, polluted the hell out of the country and water supply, destroyed education, closed down society for a year to force people to stay inside and consume, and propagandize the public into demoralization. This is all a relatively new development since the 1960s.
Elites don't send goon squads to force diets on people and stop them from cooking their own food.

There are more houses than families/people, but the system has effectively turned them over to investment firms to rent out to the point that people cannot afford what is even available to rent. That's a broken system.
That's the least of the problems, don't repeat breadtuber talking points as they are economically illiterate commies.

Inflation in the US couple with the debt crisis and unsustainable printing of money has financially crippled the state as we will find out the hard way probably later this year.
Europe doesn't have the culture war like the US has. I've lived there and saw nothing like what I see here.
Where is "there"? Of course post-communist countries have a different culture, but check out UK or Spain.

WW2 created all sorts of mass population transfers that the US largely endorsed. The US forces people to do it themselves to find work. See the hollowing out of the middle of the country.
Economic migration is very much voluntary. People from much nicer and wealthier places didn't voluntarily move to fucking Siberia, you're being ridiculous by even making that comparison.
 
Some rankings of international militaries still have Russia ahead of China and a close second to the US:

"Some" being "the ones that haven't been updated since the invasion started", I assume.
They have just focused their military on land to control their borders and deal with nearby threats in Europe. The US is more focused on the navy and air force than their ground forces, while Russia is more focused on their army and supporting air force:

Right, so the army and air force, the two branches that have been getting there asses handed to them by a force using inferior/equivalent equipment + some western weapons, are actually the best Russia has. I'm not sure how this is a selling point for them.

So fighting Russia where they would have to be fought, their backyard, actually leaves the US military at a severe disadvantage.

The only possible way the US would struggle with Russia is if we get another Gulf War and they end end up running faster than we can chase them down.

Not only that, but Euro NATO has demonstrated they are effectively useless in such a war as would be required to beat Russia, as the core of it, Germany, is completely impotent, while France and Britain are only set up to fight insurgents abroad, so their spending is on things useless to fighting the Russians.

Ukraine is beating the tar out of Russia with hand me down equipment from European NATO countries, if it came down to a full on war Russia is screwed.

Far from being a junior partner Russia is quite formidable an ally

Russia is a pathetic has-been on the world stage, clinging to relevance with it's WW2 era security council seat and legacy hardware inherent from the USSR. Take away thier nukes, and they're basically Brazil with snow, only I think Brazil can actually win a war.
 
US actively targeted civilians in the GWOT and it sanctions and direct military actions have killed millions. Sorry but neither side we have as choices are good, in fact they are all shit.

US doesn't get to claim the high ground anymore than Russia does.

Even if that was true/show me USA claiming that some nation do not exist,always was american and that is why american must conqer them/ ,why are you selling primitive soviet-style russian propaganda here as if it was real?

USA WOULD BE AS BAD AS PUTIN,IF BIDEN DECLARE THAT CANADIANS ARE NOT NATION,INVADE CANADA AND KILL EVERYBODY WHO DO NOT BE LESSER AMERICAN THERE.
 


Another compilations, no commentary as I have a planned Raid on Molten Core in WoW Classic and I need to do the tribute run first. So bye for now.

Yeah, there were a lot of theories that some Frenchies might be helping Azov out, hence Macron's determination to get French forces to go in and organize humanitarian relief and all the Ukrainian attempts to evacuate somebody from Azovstal.

I wonder what interesting things might pop up during this year's elections in France.
 
"Some" being "the ones that haven't been updated since the invasion started", I assume.
No the fundamentals are still accurate, the US hasn't been properly downgraded from Covid though.
Meanwhile no one wants to serve in the US military, so they're floating increasing the age limit:

Right, so the army and air force, the two branches that have been getting there asses handed to them by a force using inferior/equivalent equipment + some western weapons, are actually the best Russia has. I'm not sure how this is a selling point for them.
The Russians committed 190k men to Ukraine. They are going for a limited operation and are maintaining a reserve in case NATO gets involved. They weren't in this to do things quickly; surely they would have liked it to have ended much sooner, but they are fighting this with technology, not manpower, and are winning given the destruction of most of Ukraine weapons and supplies. The US wouldn't be wrangling 50 year old Soviet gear in mothballs for them otherwise.

The only possible way the US would struggle with Russia is if we get another Gulf War and they end end up running faster than we can chase them down.
I take it you forgot about our shitty exit from Afghanistan and endless world wide commitments to maintain the US global order.

Ukraine is beating the tar out of Russia with hand me down equipment from European NATO countries, if it came down to a full on war Russia is screwed.
Only if you believe Ukrainian and US propaganda.

Russia is a pathetic has-been on the world stage, clinging to relevance with it's WW2 era security council seat and legacy hardware inherent from the USSR. Take away thier nukes, and they're basically Brazil with snow, only I think Brazil can actually win a war.
Russia is not the Soviet Union, but underestimate it at your peril. Brazil wishes it were Russia, not the other way around.
 
show me USA claiming that some nation do not exist,

I'm assuming you mean that in the "There's no such thing as Ukraine, it's a fake nationality invented by globalists to divide Russia" sense, and not the "I've never heard of a Can-Uh-Du, is that one of them fake counties invented by the liberal media?"

Cause sadly you'll get plenty of evidence for the latter. I think with the former, the only time people say that is when Israel comes up.
 
Oh, LoL, Marduk has claimed at various times to understand computer networking, oil extraction, military matters, political science, economics and now nutrition science/dietology.
Is he perhaps the Polimath of Kiev. 😂 😂 😂 😂
Or perhaps he is the Polish Comedian of Kiev(Clown of Kiev is already taken by Mr. Elenski)

I'm assuming you mean that in the "There's no such thing as Ukraine, it's a fake nationality invented by globalists to divide Russia" sense, and not the "I've never heard of a Can-Uh-Du, is that one of them fake counties invented by the liberal media?"

Cause sadly you'll get plenty of evidence for the latter. I think with the former, the only time people say that is when Israel comes up.

You were actually pretty happy to disregard the existence of multiple European empires in the Americas, even made it so that they, and their successor states, lost territory to you.

And I am sure that if Texas decided to secede, or if California did for that matter, you'd be denying them that "right".
Which reminds me, didn't you forcefully deny something called the CSA existed, even sent in people to rough up those that held the thesis of Southern independence?

As to nation-level conflicts in Europe, well, do google Wallonia and Flanders, and Catalonia.

History doesn't repeat but it often rhymes.
 
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No the fundamentals are still accurate, the US hasn't been properly downgraded from Covid though.
Meanwhile no one wants to serve in the US military, so they're floating increasing the age limit:

As bad as the US recruiting situation might be, I'm pretty sure Russia is worse off. We're not the ones sending half trained conscripts off the frontlines.

The Russians committed 190k men to Ukraine. They are going for a limited operation and are maintaining a reserve in case NATO gets involved. They weren't in this to do things quickly; surely they would have liked it to have ended much sooner, but they are fighting this with technology, not manpower,

We have captured documents and an overstretched and at points collapsed logistics traun on the Russia side to suggest they they did intend to finish this quickly, with the only counterpoint being the Russians and their various "I meant to do that!" announcements as the war drags on.

Also, "they're fighting this with technology, not manpower", lol. I'm pretty sure it's news to to the guys in the Scooby-Doo Vans carting around tacticool maxim guns that they're the high tech side.

are winning given the destruction of most of Ukraine weapons and supplies. The US wouldn't be wrangling 50 year old Soviet gear in mothballs for them otherwise.

Ok, so first off the US is looking for old Soviet gear to send to Ukraine because that's what they're trained on, we'll gladly ship them modern stuff (IE Javelin) if it can be brought to the fight quickly, but you can't just wing it when you it comes to flying a totally new type of jet or tank.

Second, the West is resupplying Ukraine with more weapons and equipment to replace lost equipment (as is Russia, if the tractor mines are to be believed). Who's resupplying Russia again? This isn't WW2, you go to war with the equipment you have and that's basically it, building and buying new stuff takes far too long to replace destroyed equipment. Ukraine getting resupplyed and Russia not benefits Ukraine, not Russia.

I take it you forgot about our shitty exit from Afghanistan and endless world wide commitments to maintain the US global order.

Which was, for the dozenth time, a political decision and not a military defeat.

Only if you believe Ukrainian and US propaganda.

Actually, I'm going by the Russian's admission that they're falling back from Kyiv, backed up by the on the ground information.

Russia is not the Soviet Union, but underestimate it at your peril. Brazil wishes it were Russia, not the other way around.

Yeah, I bet Brazil is just sittng there, looking at the crippling sanctions and column of exploded tanks leading away from Kyiv going "Darn it, that's not fair, that should be me!"

You were actually pretty happy to disregard the existence of multiple European empires in the Americas, even made it so that they, and their successor states, lost territory to you.

And I am sure that if Texas decided to secede, or if California did for that matter, you'd be denying them that "right".
Which reminds me, didn't you forcefully deny something called the CSA existed, even sent in people to rough up those that held the thesis of Southern independence?

Ok, first off that was a joke post, so "well actually" isn't really welcome here.

Secondly, if you must correct the record, can you maybe not do so by citing things that happened 200 years ago and/or actually happened in the first place?
 
The truly poor societies cannot afford that. Some mid wealth ones do, but these either get fat because they don't have a culture to handle the availability, or not, because they move around enough to burn these calories. USA has both problems.
How much of that is financed by the government via food subsidies, food stamps, or some form of welfare? Financed by borrowing and printing money. America is not a poor country theoretically, but is badly mismanaged and tottering due to fucked up policies.

Elites don't send goon squads to force diets on people and stop them from cooking their own food.
No, they just use reduced prices for the unhealthiest foods, give them bad nutrition advice via the USDA, and let companies engineer junk food into virtual street drug level addictiveness.

That's the least of the problems, don't repeat breadtuber talking points as they are economically illiterate commies.
Good thing I've never watched anything by breadtube.

Where is "there"? Of course post-communist countries have a different culture, but check out UK or Spain.
The UK is basically the 51st state, but is hardly Europe. In fact it left Europe as I recall.
Spain is the fringe of Europe. France, Germany, Poland, and Italy don't have nearly as much of this. Spain is probably poisoned by all those damn English tourist and immigrants, as well as hangover from the Franco regime.

Economic migration is very much voluntary. People from much nicer and wealthier places didn't voluntarily move to fucking Siberia, you're being ridiculous by even making that comparison.
Right, migrate or starve in a meth fueled rural hellhole.
How many people migrate to work in North Dakota oil fields or oil rigs off shore or go to fight foreign wars around the world for the US? Or subsist on food stamps and welfare?
 
Yes,but american or european oligarchs do not want kill you becouse of your nationality.
When Putin started war he said that ukrainians do not exist and he must denazify Ukraine.
In translation from Mordor speech to our - it means,that every ukrainian who do not agree to be russian would end in mass grave or gulag.

In that case ,all ukrainians must fight - becouse they fight not for their oligarchs,but their own lives.

No they just want to erase all countries in the world slowly for their global empire while they peddle pornography, tell us pedos and zoophiles are normals and that misandry is ok.
 
Again drones guiding in laser guided artillery shells are kings.



Russians stepping up the bombings as they await the arrivals of V and O groups.



Looks like a newly arrived V group ignored orders to switch fully to Z. Probably annoyance at being used in a double feint for a month and wanting to parade down Kyiv.



Back in Pripyat, the most defensible territory Ukraine had if Zelensky had fully mobilized and put a a brigade of territorials here with a regiment of AT Guns and Artillery Regiment. The south could have been retrieved if the mobile reserves sucked into fighting for Kyiv and North West had been freed to push south before the Russians could establish a firm lodgment across the Dnieper and take the Sea of Azov. Enjoy your victory soldier, Zelensky failed you, and your generals failed you.



Recovered vehicles going to the Depots for repairs.


1.Artillery is King and would win war for kgbstan.What would you made think,that they fare better then for last 40 days?
If PUtin want victory,he need lot of reservists,nukes,or both.

2.So,russian was in double feint - and that is why they do not advance for last month.If they keep feinting like that,war would end in Moscov.

3.Ukrainian made mistake becouse they do not mobilize.True,but then you would claim that they wonted start war.
Or...i actually could bet,that you would claim that anyway.

Surrounded in Chernihiv for a month and with half its equipment destroyed before Russia withdrew as verified by multiple Drone Videos released by RuA MoD. Some victory given North West Ukraine was a double feint that did its job. Especially as it can't move freely in the day due to Russian Air Dominance. Also Gen. Vitaliy Gerasimov was reported killed near Kharkiv by UkA, and is still alive. Russia has not reported him dead. Nor is he the only General who showed up alive. Rule of thumb, if Russia doesn't announce their death with a public funeral, their alive.

Also Russian losses are less than 6k causalities not counting DPR/LPR which adds another 1k.

Given Kherson was home to 7 Brigades and routed on the first day, and Mariupol had 15,000 troops trapped in it and less than 2,000 of them remain and fading fast, UkA losses are easily in the range of 50k to 75k causalities despite growing its forces 4 times their starting size.

Factoring in strategic losses, Ukraine has lost 3 million people as refugees, and 2 million more are in occupied Russian territories, excluding the Crimea and LPR/DPR from the equation. The mathematics are swinging decisively towards Russia in the metric that matters in a force on force fight, which is firepower. Russia has the tanks, the artillery, and airpower and with the close out of the double feints, the mobile reserves to take and secure the Donbass.

If UkA wants to grind up their troops in an artillery dominated battlefield where Russia has air superiority, that is their affair.

And if this confuses the fuck out of you, read Russian and Soviet Military Doctrine, because they see war entirely differently and have their own way of doing things.

So....ukrainians are destroyed,so they could defeat russians there,becouse it was feint.Gerasimow and other generals would live as long as Moscow say otherwise.
Kgbstan lost 7k,when ukrainian 50-75k.,Mariunpol forces was defeated and that is why russians could not take city,
And Russia would win for sure thanks to firepower.And grind ukrainian if they want attack.Problem is - Russian need attack to take Donbass,not ukrainians.
Moreover, Putin do not manage to end war till 6.3.22,like he planned,becouse soviets doctrine sees war differently.

I like your logic,truly.

P.S we knew soviet doctrine - keep throwing bodies till something end,enemy or russians.If enemy,we claim victory,if russians,it was feint.
 
Yeah lets ignore the low level civil war the EU nd US have been in since 2020 with Covid lockdowns and government assaults on our liberties well before Putin saw his chance.

You think this is new? We had left-wing terrorist groups running terror bombing campaigns on US soil at the peak of the Cold War, while the entire Democratic Party and major cultural institutions like Hollywood simped for the fucking Soviets.

And they still lost. You do the math.

If you think western oligarch rule sucks, you don't want to see eastern oligarch rule up close.

This. 95% of the stupidity seems to stem from "well, this side bad, so other side good, right?" No. No, not one fucking bit.

Russia posts about a captured ATGM, or has like two guys out in a field with one, obviously they must have captured loads of them, because of course it's totally impossible to have a handful of guys stand around in a field for a minute in order to lie about having captured tons and tons of enemy weapons, a handful of soldiers and one missile is a huge investment that couldn't be faked. You continue to believe this despite these alleged training videos showing up for weeks, but footage of captured weapons actually being used hasn't surfaced.

Can you explain this odd disparity of trust and differing standards here?

Hey @Chiron I'd like an answer to this too.

US actively targeted civilians in the GWOT

Ah yes, we blew up a wedding once upon a time so that's totally the same as systematically targeting hospitals, laying waste to entire suburban neighborhoods with sustained area bombardment with MLRS and using incendiary weapons - not white phosphorus, but outright thermite incendiaries, on suburbs.

Hey check this shit out. It's called a DIME bomb; Dense Inert Metal Explosive. Basically it's a bomb that uses tungsten dust as its shrapnel - it vaporizes anything within 15 feet or so, but as the air resistance slows down the tiny tungsten particles very fast, anything 17 feet away survives unscathed. Or how about that fabled Hellfire missile with pop-out sword blades? Specifically so you can take out some bastard in the left-hand seat without hurting the guy on the right. But yeah, go on and tell me about how America makes mass-murder of civilians a fucking doctrinal norm.

they are fighting this with technology, not manpower,

Which is a dogshit plan given that you need manpower to take cities, even with all the technology in the world on your side, and since Russian logistics are rail dependent they have to take cities since they control crucial rail yard junctions. Chernihiv and Konotop being two key ones they never took, which effectively cost them the battle of Kyiv. And if they want to work around the problem that means running supply convoys around the major road junctions in those cities on shitty, narrow surface roads that provide great cover for ambushes. And the fact that Ukraine was going to use such strategies isn't a shock, the US has been openly training the Baltic states to use unconventional/asymmetric warfare strategies against a potential Russian invasion for years now. So their inability to even provide a single IFV's worth of convoy escort at the beginning speaks to fucking stupidity. And even after they wised up, you know what you simply cannot do without when it comes to securing long supply routes? Local control and local patrols. And that equals manpower.

and are winning given the destruction of most of Ukraine weapons and supplies. The US wouldn't be wrangling 50 year old Soviet gear in mothballs for them otherwise.

What the fuck are you babbling about? Of course they would. Ukraine started this war with less of every kind of equipment than Russia did, so even if they had not lost a single tank NATO would still want to get them as many weapons as possible. Even if they started with more, NATO would still want to do that because the sooner the war ends and the more damage inflicted on the Russian army the better it is for NATO. This is a full scale war, you fucking numpty. You don't take half-measures, you don't fuck around, you go all in, balls deep. Capiche?

I take it you forgot about our shitty exit from Afghanistan and endless world wide commitments to maintain the US global order.

"MUH AFGHANISTAN!" cries the vatnik as he wishes away eleven carrier battle groups and the most powerful airforce on the planet. "MUUUH AFGHANISTAAAAAAAAAAAAN!"

Only if you believe Ukrainian and US propaganda.

Coming from someone licking Putin's taint that's not very convincing.

Excuse me, but what the fuck is this standard for "high operational tempo"?
The Syrian Arab Airforce? Perhaps Eritrean or Ethiopian?
For comparison, one typical US supercarrier, you know, a big tin can cramped with lots of aircraft bouncing on the sea, can generate about 100 sorties per day, and up to 200 with accelerated, wartime procedures, while the new Ford class can to get up to 270 for a short time.
Meanwhile, the Russian airforce, operating from comfortable airbases on land, struggles to equal even 2 of these.
For comparison, the coalition forces in Desert Storm had an average of around 2500 sorties per day during the 43 day campaign. That's why this mess is being called dollar store Desert Storm.

lmao this

Oh, LoL, Marduk has claimed at various times to understand computer networking, oil extraction, military matters, political science, economics and now nutrition science/dietology.
Is he perhaps the Polimath of Kiev. 😂 😂 😂 😂

It's called being able to read a fucking book, zoomer. I know something of computer networking, oil extraction, military matters, political science and economics myself. I even know something about nutrition and diet because I lift. You don't have to be a fucking expert to call out clowns making shit up as they go along.

No they just want to erase all countries in the world slowly for their global empire while they peddle pornography, tell us pedos and zoophiles are normals and that misandry is ok.

In term of priority ranking, "resisting the pedo globalists" is less pressing than "survive and defeat the nation literally invading your sovereign soil in order to systematically destroy your state and genocide your people." Best part is, nation that has done the latter will have a much stronger sense of identity and thus ability to resist the former.
 
No they just want to erase all countries in the world slowly for their global empire while they peddle pornography, tell us pedos and zoophiles are normals and that misandry is ok.

And would need another 100 years for that,when we could oppose them.Putin would kill you now and there,so there would be no next chances for your nation.
 
I'm assuming you mean that in the "There's no such thing as Ukraine, it's a fake nationality invented by globalists to divide Russia" sense, and not the "I've never heard of a Can-Uh-Du, is that one of them fake counties invented by the liberal media?"

Cause sadly you'll get plenty of evidence for the latter. I think with the former, the only time people say that is when Israel comes up.

Fun thing about Izrael - since it was made from 10 tribes which vanished,and survived jews are descendents of 2 tribes from Judea and converts,you actually could say that such nation as Izrael do not exist.
They really should name it as Judea.
 
How much of that is financed by the government via food subsidies, food stamps, or some form of welfare? Financed by borrowing and printing money. America is not a poor country theoretically, but is badly mismanaged and tottering due to fucked up policies.
So? European countries have more welfare than that, yet somehow the notoriously indebted and socialist PIGS countries don't have a fatso crisis despite their mismanagement being beyond even US norms.
No, they just use reduced prices for the unhealthiest foods, give them bad nutrition advice via the USDA, and let companies engineer junk food into virtual street drug level addictiveness.
Solution: Don't trust government propaganda.
Unhealthy food can't make you fat, experiments were done.
You can get fat even on gourmet cuisine if you pig out on it.
See: All the fat oligarchs, generals and other eastern corruptocrats. Out of all people they don't have to eat McD's.

The UK is basically the 51st state, but is hardly Europe. In fact it left Europe as I recall.
Spain is the fringe of Europe. France, Germany, Poland, and Italy don't have nearly as much of this. Spain is probably poisoned by all those damn English tourist and immigrants, as well as hangover from the Franco regime.
France had its own spin on the issue but is resisting it half assedly, Germany had antifa problems before it was cool and got hit by the migrant crisis badly, Italy also see migrant crisis, Poland is post-communist so redpilled on this.

Right, migrate or starve in a meth fueled rural hellhole.
How many people migrate to work in North Dakota oil fields or oil rigs off shore or go to fight foreign wars around the world for the US? Or subsist on food stamps and welfare?
In Russia, they can only afford alcohol, and there is nowhere to migrate really.
You are trying to set up a standard here that even most desirable countries in the world struggle to meet, nevermind comparing world powers with their questionable elites.
 
Great work by the NYT, for once. The video comparing the satellite image on March 19 to the bodies on in the video of Bucha is a great way to verify everything.
So we are supposed to believe that the bodies were left there for weeks now, without anyone shoving them off the road or dragging them to a mass grave in order to clear the streets for vehicle movement and prevent the spread of disease?
And that these bodies were just left there to decompose at the mercy of wild animals and the eements and they were in fairly good shape with fresh, red blood on some?

And this is of course on the basis of "research" from the same paper harping about Trump's Russiagate and WMDs in Iraq?

Yeah, sure, no thanks.

Great work by the NYT is an oxymoron.
 
I am European, for us, and for most of humanity, 200 years ago was yesterday.

Yes, the irrational european penchant for killing each other over some centuries old slight is well known on this side of the atlantic, though I was under the impression you'd gotten over the worst of that. Even Putin was sensible enough to frame this war as a reaction to stuff that happened back in the 90s, rather than starting this to avenge the am insult some Kyivian noble gave to the Duchess of Moscow back in 1654.

That does not absolve the USA of being two-faced about this stuff, though

It would help your case if that was actually true. Like, if the US message was that Ukraine is real, and also that Polk was wrong and we need to fight for the 54-40, you might have a point here.
 
So we are supposed to believe that the bodies were left there for weeks now, without anyone shoving them off the road or dragging them to a mass grave in order to clear the streets for vehicle movement and prevent the spread of disease?
And that these bodies were just left there to decompose at the mercy of wild animals and the eements and they were in fairly good shape with fresh, red blood on some?

And this is of course on the basis of "research" from the same paper harping about Trump's Russiagate and WMDs in Iraq?

Yeah, sure, no thanks.

Great work by the NYT is an oxymoron.
... Maybe watch the video, and believe your own eyes. It doesn't take the NYT to do this research, just matching up two pictures from different angles.

Also, I don't know where you're getting the fresh blood from either.

Finally, seriously, please take a serious critical look at what you read. You are just as dumb as the Ghost of Ukraine people, but from the other side. You'd believe anything Papa Putin said at this point, and that's depressing. You don't put any thought into your opinions, any more than the average NYT reader.

Seriously, I challenge you, again, to honestly argue from the Ukrainian side about a victory or an atrocity or really anything. Do research in hopes of proving your prior opinions wrong. That's how people learn. I did it already with Russia. Now you.
 
Yes, the irrational european penchant for killing each other over some centuries old slight is well known on this side of the atlantic, though I was under the impression you'd gotten over the worst of that. Even Putin was sensible enough to frame this war as a reaction to stuff that happened back in the 90s, rather than starting this to avenge the am insult some Kyivian noble gave to the Duchess of Moscow back in 1654.
Um, Mexico is still pissed off about the whole California and Texas things, in fact they are allegedly flooding your country with illegals exactly because you stole their land IIRC.

My point is that people do not easily forget territory being forcibly taken from their land and these types of memories last longer than you in the USA think they last.
I mean, look at Marduk, he is triggered by stuff that happened back in the 17th century.That is, the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth not managing to turn a weakened Russia into its puppet state.

The Wallonia-Flanders situation is real, the other, similar problems in the Balkans, which like Kosovo, the USA helped foment, are real.

Oh, yeah, right, that is an invented country right there you Americans decided to claim as a thing, Kosovo.

Also, you are kinda-sorta trying to create a Kurdistan, too.
 

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