Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)


Russia's fate this century is going to be unenviable either way: Either it becomes an appendage of the Greater American Empire (GAE) or in the unlikely event that it wins its war in Ukraine, it inherits a huge and probably permanent Northern Ireland-style problem on steroids.
 
Russopessimism from a pro-Russian:

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Russia's fate this century is going to be unenviable either way: Either it becomes an appendage of the Greater American Empire (GAE) or in the unlikely event that it wins its war in Ukraine, it inherits a huge and probably permanent Northern Ireland-style problem on steroids.
That's his admission of having no idea about how wars work. GDPs and demographics don't fight wars, armies fight wars. How efficiently a country converts one into another can vary a whole lot, and in case of highly corrupt countries, it's not pretty, though you do end up with a lot of pretty yachts and mansions as a side effect of the process though.
Ironically Russian technocrats in charge of the fiscal policy are one of very few areas of Russian government respected for what they achieve even in the West. It's not choice between that and some hypothetical war economy that will flood Russian army with supplies and hardware WW2 style (nevermind that China doesn't feel like sending them free shit like USA in WW2). It''s a choice between what they have now and a collapsed economy.
Russopessimism from a pro-Russian:

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NATO never bothered with similar cheapass munitions due to their relative uselessness against any military targets remotely protected against airstrikes, and for political reasons probably won't anyway.
If NATO decides screw politics and escalation is wanted, Ukrainian F-16's can be arranged, and if that's not enough, said Ukrainian F-16's can start sending JASSM-ER's through the Kremlin's windows.
 
FWIW, if Ukraine will expel the allegedly 800,000 Russians who moved to Crimea since 2014, then it will apparently be following in France's post-WWI footsteps, when France apparently expelled the 400,000 Germans who have moved to Alsace-Lorraine between 1871 and 1918 along with their descendants:


I wonder if such a Ukrainian move would be classified as a crime against humanity. It's an interesting question. Michael Mills has previously said (I think on the Axis History Forum and/or on Historum) that by post-WWII Nuremberg standards France's post-WWI actions in Alsace-Lorraine could have qualified as a crime against humanity. Not that France ever actually got punished or prosecuted for this in any way, of course.
 
Wow, they're stealing even the shit that IS bolted down.
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Are those Ruskie motherfuckers trying to outdo our beloved Squaddies? Fucking modern day heresy! smh

Seriously though, I get the feeling the troops looting all this shit aren't doing it for "Mother Russia"/Putin but for, well, pay/compensation for their being shoved out there. It's a lot like what Napoleonic-era troops used to do -- looting from the enemy was basically most of their pay.

That French soldier that's dying on the dirt? Nice watch, I'll take it. That English, Scots, or Irishman resting against the wall with his ribcage blown open by a musket ball? That's a fancy pair of cufflinks you have there, said the French soldier. Yoink!

Hell, they even used to steal enemy teeth to make dentures, hah.
 
I wonder if such a Ukrainian move would be classified as a crime against humanity. It's an interesting question. Michael Mills has previously said (I think on the Axis History Forum and/or on Historum) that by post-WWII Nuremberg standards France's post-WWI actions in Alsace-Lorraine could have qualified as a crime against humanity. Not that France ever actually got punished or prosecuted for this in any way, of course.
There is always the modern popular alternative that achieves the same result. Don't expel them outright, but treat them in a way that will convey the message that they aren't going to enjoy their stay at all, so they are better off self-deporting before their house catches fire due to unknown but probably patriotic preps catching which is not a priority for the police.
Which if they are really cheeky, will include the local police chief being a National Guard veteran who served in the Azov Battalion :D
It's so legally under the radar that islamists are even getting away with using it in the shitty parts of the capitals of some european countries.
They can also cause trouble to them over holding Russian citizenship, as quite a few countries aren't fans of dual citizenship with some or all countries and UN says nothing about it.
 
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They can also cause trouble to them over holding Russian citizenship, as quite a few countries aren't fans of dual citizenship with some or all countries and UN says nothing about it.

So, they can get a choice: Loyalty oath to Ukraine plus giving up their Russian citizenship or getting expelled back to Russia?
 
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And yet it is Russia who is behaving like a Neo-Nazi/Fascist state in seeking to conquer Ukraine for its human capital!


Yes, just like Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Imperial Japan had to gamble hard during the 1930s in order to ensure that their countries would remain relevant geopolitical players as their own unique civilizational spaces rather than simply becoming parts of the Greater American Empire (GAE) lol! :D Yet ironically Germany, Italy, and Japan all produce more elite science than Russia does right now even though the former are parts of GAE and the latter is not, at least not yet. Maybe being a part of GAE is not so bad after all, then?
 

Comrade Karlin went full Antifa right there, it's a statement any comrade from Seattle or SF would sign under. This should be a lesson for all the western right wingers who think Russian imperialists\revanchists are their friends.
And yet it is Russia who is behaving like a Neo-Nazi/Fascist state in seeking to conquer Ukraine for its human capital!
Less human capital, more real estate to divide between cronies (Russia's vast real estate naturally already is all spoken for in their status quo so can't be gifted around without taking down VIPs and all the political effects of that), any human capital stupid enough to stay and be a serf is just a bonus.

Yes, just like Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Imperial Japan had to gamble hard during the 1930s in order to ensure that their countries would remain relevant geopolitical players as their own unique civilizational spaces rather than simply becoming parts of the Greater American Empire (GAE) lol! :D Yet ironically Germany, Italy, and Japan all produce more elite science than Russia does right now even though the former are parts of GAE and the latter is not, at least not yet. Maybe being a part of GAE is not so bad after all, then?
Italy is doing worst out of these 3, and ironically it's Germany having more involvement in that than USA :D
 

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