No, i meant economic power and influence in Europe.Do you mean in elite science production? Because the US also has a lot of elite science production:
Nature Index 2020
UPDATE - Emil Kirkegaard has kindly graphed all these trends at his RPubs blog. Has been released. Here is the updated \www.unz.com
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Well, Yeah, which is unsurprising due to Germany's high human capital and large overall population.
Japan also has both of these things but for some reason even developed East Asian countries sometimes slightly underperform economically relative to their human capital. It's true for both Japan and South Korea, I think.
Are they really? Japan has probably the second navy in the world and is a massive technological power, while South Korea is an innocuously small industrial superpower (see: recent massive defense contracts with Poland).
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According to the latest S&P Global Maritime & Trade newbuilding data, Chinese shipbuilders picked up the lion’s share of shipbuilding contracts during the third quarter of 2021 with some 68% in terms of gross tonnage (GT), of all new orders in Q3 2021 being placed in China.
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Are they really? Japan has probably the second navy in the world and is a massive technological power, while South Korea is an innocuously small industrial superpower (see: recent massive defense contracts with Poland).
South Korea is a tough competitor against tens of times larger China for the title of world's largest shipbuilder, Japan is third, and the rest of the world, including USA, EU, Russia, India, doesn't really matter much.Sharing insights elevates their impact
According to the latest S&P Global Maritime & Trade newbuilding data, Chinese shipbuilders picked up the lion’s share of shipbuilding contracts during the third quarter of 2021 with some 68% in terms of gross tonnage (GT), of all new orders in Q3 2021 being placed in China.
Interesting. FWIW, I was talking about this:
National Wealth and IQ at the Edge: American Exceptionalism, East Asian Mediocrity
Why is the HBDsphere so damn interested in IQ, anyway? While I can't speak for the 'movement' at large, in my own case the interest stems from the fact that it explains so much about our world. (In fact, I was interested in this topic long before I discovered HBD, Charles Murray, Jensen, Lynn...
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I don't have military bases of China or Russia. But I do have NATO bases which I would gladly be gone by now since there is no reason for them to be here since the URSS has fallen.
Ukraine Invasion Day 150: and the Mearsheimer argument for the cause …
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One could easily argue that expanding NATO faster (before 2005 or so) and deeper (into Ukraine, Georgia, et cetera, but at least into Ukraine) would have also prevented the Russian invasion of Ukraine, as the blog post above points out.
That, and John Mearsheimer himself has argued back in 1993 that Ukraine needs to keep its nuclear weapons in order to protect itself from the threat of Russian revanchism:
The Case for a Ukrainian Nuclear Deterrent on JSTOR
John J. Mearsheimer, The Case for a Ukrainian Nuclear Deterrent, Foreign Affairs, Vol. 72, No. 3 (Summer, 1993), pp. 50-66
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This is not a conclusion that Russia is actually going to like. Imagine the US saying "Fine, Ukraine can be neutral, but we'll give it 1,000 of our nuclear weapons and adequate delivery systems for them beforehand as a precautionary measure to protect Ukraine against another, future Russian invasion". Would Russia actually prefer that option over Ukrainian NATO membership?
And hurt the local businesses around those bases, handicap yhe ability for your military to train with NATO counterparts, and basically make your country in a worse state?
Should I point out that if you push the US away China will come and takes its place.
So who would you rather have? A country that isn't communist and cam change a lot in a lifetime or China
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You know who didn't have NATO bases? Ukraine.
You know who didn't have NATO bases? Ukraine.
Yep, just a few NATO trainers lol.
If Italy wants to expel NATO forces from its territory, it's presumably capable of doing this. France withdrew from NATO's integrated military command structure in or around 1966, after all. But Italy shouldn't complain about the subsequent loss of jobs in the relevant Italian region afterwards. Military bases produce jobs for locals, after all.
Because.... reasons, i take it?
What have NATO bases done to you?
Made them a target
Who knows? It would probably lead to EU membership anyway at this point.
The certain thing is that it would be a more dangerous world, as Russia would try more underhanded means to deal with Ukraine despite the nuclear arsenal, possibly trying to causing incident involving it, intentionally or as a side effect of the process.
But so far it looks like in fact not being a NATO member is a much more reliable way of making one a target.
I hate to break it to him but Italy was always a target. It is in Western Europe.
And what exactly is wrong with that? Russia itself can blame its invasion of Ukraine for Ukraine (and Moldova) receiving EU candidacy status at this specific point in time.
As far as Russia is concerned, whether Ukraine joins EU or NATO is a tomato\tomatoe situation. Either way it's in "western block" and as such can no longer be integrated into Russia's empire resurgent under whatever name and terms without taking it out of that first, which would be near impossible, and that's their problem with Ukraine. Doing either locks off Russian plans for Ukraine, which do not account for an option where Ukraine doesn't follow with their plans for it.
Then Russia can learn to live without Ukraine. It's painful, but it can be done. Germany previously viewed the Polish Corridor situation as being intolerable but now successfully lives with a much worse situation, for instance.
Ukraine is more than a mere corridor, and Germany still has its huge industrial economy to feel good about itself. It's going to be much harder for Russia to cope.
Russians should learn a thing or two from the Israelis in regards to this, frankly!