Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[sillygoose]

Did you ever consider that many protecting Latin America from European imperialism could have been in Latin America's own best interests? That was the original purpose of the Monroe Doctrine before TR added his Roosevelt Corollary to it in 1904.

Having read about US history with Latin America, no. Because the actual purpose was to ensure only the US dominated the western hemisphere. American imperialism started in 1812. Besides there is a reason why Latin American countries keep trying to break free of US domination only to suffer badly as a result.

Would Russia have been content with an arrangement where this would have been done but where Ukraine would have been included in the EU? Because its 2013 actions certainly don't suggest so!

Being part of the EU is not neutrality, as the EU has proven itself subservient to US demands.

 

[WolfBear]

Being part of the EU is not neutrality, as the EU has proven itself subservient to US demands.

But I thought that you said that the EU can break away from the US?

 

[WolfBear]

Government expansion is almost always permanent, he has a point here.

The US's WWI-era government expansion was not permanent, was it?

Also, off-topic, but in Kazakhstan, Kazakhs are much more pro-Ukrainian than Russians are:

 

[sillygoose]

But I thought that you said that the EU can break away from the US?

Could, but the leadership is proving itself currently to be utterly at the disposal of the US. You'd need new people in charge and those willing to make a hard break with the US. Merkel was making moves in the direction, which is probably why the US was spying on her, but she didn't last politically and her replacement can't seem to handle the emotional manipulation going on in the media, which seems to be spouting US lines about everything.

 

[TheRejectionist]

Not sure if Russia is gonna win.

But honestly, I will cheer for the white,red and blue considering the cockroaches supporting Ukraine are the same parasitic cunts that wanted me in a concentration camp for not taking the vaxx.

 

[WolfBear]

Could, but the leadership is proving itself currently to be utterly at the disposal of the US. You'd need new people in charge and those willing to make a hard break with the US. Merkel was making moves in the direction, which is probably why the US was spying on her, but she didn't last politically and her replacement can't seem to handle the emotional manipulation going on in the media, which seems to be spouting US lines about everything.

Merkel lasted for 16 years and retired voluntarily, no?

Also, would Russia have no problem with Ukranian EU membership if the EU stopped being a US ally?

BTW, what's the problem with having the US pay for its trade in dollars?

 

[Bacle]

Putin 'will have cancer operation and transfer power', insider claims

Vladimir Putin is set to transfer power to fearsome ally and head of the Security Council Nikolai Patrushev as he undergoes cancer surgery. The dictator has reportedly delayed the operation.

www.dailymail.co.uk

So new possible wrinkle in the mix.

 

[TheRejectionist]

Putin 'will have cancer operation and transfer power', insider claims

Vladimir Putin is set to transfer power to fearsome ally and head of the Security Council Nikolai Patrushev as he undergoes cancer surgery. The dictator has reportedly delayed the operation.

www.dailymail.co.uk

So new possible wrinkle in the mix.

Isn't the DMUK the same lying sack of shits who would communicate about COVID like it had a 99 per cent mortality rate?

 

[WolfBear]

Isn't the DMUK the same lying sack of shits who would communicate about COVID like it had a 99 per cent mortality rate?

It does sound belivable, though. Granted, believable isn't always true, but still, ...

 

[TheRejectionist]

It does sound belivable, though. Granted, believable isn't always true, but still, ...

Ok. Though I might add one thing that is anectodal : I remember, from a Russian friend, showing a Russian meme...kinda... the striking thing is that it showed how apparently Putin had...different type of ears, implying he was using body doubles a la Saddam.

In other news.

Russian oligarch who met with Hunter Biden sanctioned by UK — but not US

Sacks of shit but this is interesting... I thought those cockroaches were constantly perfoming fellatio towards the wankers of the Dem party.

 

[Bacle]

Isn't the DMUK the same lying sack of shits who would communicate about COVID like it had a 99 per cent mortality rate?

It does sound belivable, though. Granted, believable isn't always true, but still, ...

To be blunt, I think they are right.

Putin's bloated face, grasping of the table to hide tremor, and overall posture remind me of when my late mother's MSA/Parkinson's started to visibly advance, just before she started seriously losing mobility.

Look at old pictures of Putin's face, and compare them to any recent pic's of his face. He's seriously bloated, and it's possible their are other conditions in the mix as well.

It would also explain why he has so few close advisor's anymore and uses the long tables to both isolate himself from the Wu Flu, and to make it harder to see his tremors. A diagnosis like that would also explain his actions to a large degree; he just wants to have his victory and leave a legacy of 're-uniting' the USSR before he becomes incapacitated for good.

 

[WolfBear]

To be blunt, I think they are right.

Putin's bloated face, grasping of the table to hide tremor, and overall posture remind me of when my late mother's MSA/Parkinson's started to visibly advance, just before she started seriously losing mobility.

Look at old pictures of Putin's face, and compare them to any recent pic's of his face. He's seriously bloated, and it's possible their are other conditions in the mix as well.

It would also explain why he has so few close advisor's anymore and uses the long tables to both isolate himself from the Wu Flu, and to make it harder to see his tremors. A diagnosis like that would also explain his actions to a large degree; he just wants to have his victory and leave a legacy of 're-uniting' the USSR before he becomes incapacitated for good.

How long do you think that Putin has left to live? And Yes, if true, it's indeed very possible that Putin invaded Ukraine in order to try creating a lasting legacy for his successor, whomever that might be.

 

[WolfBear]

Ukrainian Official Outlines Intentional Ambiguity on Strikes Inside Russia (Published 2022)

The strikes have been one of the most intriguing, and opaque, new elements of the recent fighting. But when it comes to confirming their origins, “we don’t say yes and we don’t say no,’’ said the official.

www.nytimes.com

https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-decapitating-russian-tanks-due-090752778.html

Russia bombs Kharkiv but Ukraine claims ‘tactical successes’

Nearby village of Ruska recaptured, says Ukrainian president, as Sergei Lavrov says peace talks must include lifting sanctions

www.theguardian.com

Rape has reportedly become a weapon in Ukraine. Finding justice may be difficult

Widespread allegations of rape at the hands of Russian soldiers have been coming out of Ukraine. Experts say rape in conflict is often used to pursue strategic aims.

www.npr.org

A former U.S. Marine was killed fighting in Ukraine, his family says

An American citizen was killed while fighting alongside the Ukrainian military, according to his family. He is believed to be the first American to be killed while fighting in the war in Ukraine.

www.npr.org

Ukraine: From breadbasket to breadcrumbs

The war in Ukraine could lead to a global food crisis.

www.aljazeera.com

Russians are several days behind their goal in Ukraine, Pentagon assesses

A senior defense official said Friday that Russia expected to be farther along in encircling Ukrainian forces in the east.

www.cbsnews.com

Ukraine refugees flock to Germany after being put off by UK red tape

The ease of finding accommodation and work attracts 10 times the number who have made it to Britain

www.theguardian.com

US Congress revives WWII-era weapons programme for Ukraine

‘Lend-Lease’ legislation passed in House of Representatives will make it easier for US to send weapons directly to Kyiv.

www.aljazeera.com

Russia-Ukraine updates: ‘Risk of nuclear war must be minimised’

Ukraine news from April 30: Russian official says armed conflict between nuclear powers should be prevented.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Bacle]

How long do you think that Putin has left to live? And Yes, if true, it's indeed very possible that Putin invaded Ukraine in order to try creating a lasting legacy for his successor, whomever that might be.

Well, with the medical care he has access too, I cannot really give a great estimate, and he may not have full-blown MSA like my mother.

If his condition is even close to my mother's though, then..., maybe a year or two till bedridden or in a wheelchair. After that, maybe a year more before he's gone. However, if this is just Parkison's, he might have 5-6 years of 'decent' quality of life left.

The Russian's are likely taking the same messures for Putin that we did for FDR.

 

[WolfBear]

Well, with the medical care he has access too, I cannot really give a great estimate, and he may not have full-blown MSA like my mother.

If his condition is even close to my mother's though, then..., maybe a year or two till bedridden or in a wheelchair. After that, maybe a year more before he's gone. However, if this is just Parkison's, he might have 5-6 years of 'decent' quality of life left.

The Russian's are likely taking the same messures for Putin that we did for FDR.

So, Putin's work schedule could last until 2029, which is when either Biden's or Trump's second term should end.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

it's indeed very possible that Putin invaded Ukraine in order to try creating a lasting legacy for his successor, whomever that might be.

This is the worst part.

Putin has no successor. If he is as unwell as some people think, then when he dies the whole power structure of a nuclear armed country falls apart. This is not something any of us want to see.

 

[WolfBear]

This is the worst part.

Putin has no successor. If he is as unwell as some people think, then when he dies the whole power structure of a nuclear armed country falls apart. This is not something any of us want to see.

He has no successor as of right now. That might eventually change.

 

[sillygoose]

Merkel lasted for 16 years and retired voluntarily, no?

"I quit before you can fired me!" kind of situation.

Angela Merkel to step down as German chancellor in 2021

The decision by Germany's veteran chancellor comes after a series of regional election setbacks.

www.bbc.com

She lasted because there was literally no one else to replace her.

And she built up a strong relationship with Putin and kept Germany firmly on the Russian natural gas pipeline.

Also, would Russia have no problem with Ukranian EU membership if the EU stopped being a US ally?

Probably.

BTW, what's the problem with having the US pay for its trade in dollars?

It's not an issue of paying for trade in dollars per se, it is that it is exporting dollars as a commodity as the US ruling elite forced the world to use dollars as the means of global trade. So instead of actually producing things (other than weapons, entertainment, and food) the US just exports dollars and gets goods in return (effectively. See petro-dollar recycling for a more complicated and technical explanation of how it works). That's led to the elite getting very rich and living off of the production of other countries, while the US people get impoverished. When countries try to get off of US dollars or try to build up their own agriculture they tend to run into US backed coups if not actual invasions. Or when the US elite decides they need to vampire another nation's economy, say Iraq, they invade and take control over the resources. But it is an unsustainable system and requires constant threats and violence to make it work.

As we are now seeing the US turned into too much of a service/virtual economy and too little of a real one, so can no longer maintain its system and is getting desperate enough to start another world war to cover up the core problems of the economy...but forgot that the general public hates them and won't fight for them and of course that the military industries have been hollowed out and outsourced so much that actually being able to build enough gear for a large war is going to be impossible. Just supporting Ukraine is getting the point of depleting NATO's stockpiles and industry can't keep up. If we really have to fight Russia and China we're going to lose and NATO isn't going to be much of a help. Then the nukes might come out.

 

[planefag]

Or when the US elite decides they need to vampire another nation's economy, say Iraq, they invade and take control over the resources. But it is an unsustainable system and requires constant threats and violence to make it work.

Ah yes, the famously low gas prices of the Bush years, enabled by all that oil we stole.

lol

lmfao

 

[strunkenwhite]

would Russia have no problem with Ukranian EU membership if the EU stopped being a US ally?

Probably.

Unless the EU became a Russian puppet, I don't think so. Russia would not be happy with Ukraine not under its control. Actual neutrality is an unacceptable outcome to the Kremlin.

As we are now seeing the US turned into too much of a service/virtual economy and too little of a real one, so can no longer maintain its system and is getting desperate enough to start another world war to cover up the core problems of the economy...but forgot that the general public hates them and won't fight for them and of course that the military industries have been hollowed out and outsourced so much that actually being able to build enough gear for a large war is going to be impossible. Just supporting Ukraine is getting the point of depleting NATO's stockpiles and industry can't keep up. If we really have to fight Russia and China we're going to lose and NATO isn't going to be much of a help. Then the nukes might come out.

2. The implication that the inability of NATO countries' collective militaryindustrial complex to keep up with the materiel consumption of modern war is more acute than Russia's is laughable. If I am reading into your post an implication that you do not stand by, then let me know and I will stand corrected. (In a hypothetical Russia+China conflict, I think the other theater will be basically a naval and air war and those stockpiles are almost untapped, aren't they?)

3. A world war wouldn't really solve the problems, though. Even if victorious ruling over ashes is not a step up over merely going from unquestioned hegemon to ... questioned hegemon.

4. Even in a conventional conflict that NATO is losing, I don't see the "nukes coming out" on our end. And surely Russia and China would not take that step if they were as you expect winning.