Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

Batrix2070 · Feb 25, 2023

Agent23 said:
You had your share in the set-up and you are a major supporter of Ukraine, you and your lackeys and freinds in the baltic have also been instrumental in the anti-Russia media campaign, going so far as to get Sebastian Kurtz kicked out by pulling one of his coalition partners' his words out of context and then using the media to ree up a shitstorm.
If you are doing that to your so called allies then you deserve no allies because that makes you self-serving and backstabbing.

If you wish to skewer yourself upon Muskov's Orc yatagan 'for the Good and Glory of the Future Restored Glorious PLC' then that is your choice and I will not stop you.
No article 5 though.
And none of that 'we defending freedom' or 'muh Yurup/Values' rhetoric, I despise it, and frankly, I have trained myself to go into a fit of rage whenever somebody tries to pull the 'muh values' or 'think of the chillins' virtue signalling/shaming/impromptu collectivist struggle sessions arguments with me as their target.

Where is the problem? We don't like Russia, we don't have good memories of it. We have very legitimate reasons to fight Russia and its helpers at every turn. Our humble wish is the eventual demise of Russia, because in this way we get rid of one of the two stubbornnesses we have come to know over the past centuries. If, by the way, anyone needs to exhaust.... well, if we could survive the torture and torment wrought upon us by the Powers of this world, others can too.

Agent23 said:
I know, sadly sarcasm rarely crosses cultural boundaries it seems.

Rather, the fact that we only write here, so we can't hear the tone of voice. If you don't sign that it's sarcasm no one will catch it.

Agent23 said:
What would we get out of it?

You Bulgarians? Nothing, but what's the surprise. No one counts with you, and given that you have packed yourselves into an alliance and union that were originally designed anti-Russian and yet you are pro-Russian and don't want to walk away from it. Well, you owe it to yourselves, you should not have joined NATO and the EU.

And what does Poland obtain? Remodeling the status quo in our favor, showing the world the true face of Russia. A kick in the balls to Germany, which thought to itself that with Russia's help it would finally strike out on strategic independence and dictate terms in Europe. You Bulgarians are simply an accidental victim of all this political turmoil. But as they say in Poland, where lumberjacks chop there chips fly.

It is on you to try to pull yourself out of this quagmire, and I wish you the best of luck.

Megadeath said:
... Someone doesn't understand what a quisling is or how it works. It literally originated with Viktor Quisling, a Norwegian, helping the Nazis. The entire point of the term is that you're bending over for a foreign government.

Now, hands up everyone who is surprised that @Agent23 is an idiot.

No one is surprised, well, unless he is a freshman and sees the discussion here for the first time. But it's a pretty small and tight-knit community, so it's unlikely anyone is fresh.

Agent23 · Feb 25, 2023

Marduk said:
Because you shill for its interests in a war, and against your country's alliances and interests, you kek. I neither know nor care why, but you sure are doing a lot of shilling for it here alone, that i can see.
You are shilling for Russia's interest in hope Russia will reward your country with collective bribes if it shills hard enough, if your free gibs post is to be taken seriously.
Is that Bulgarian patriotism, appropriation of Gypsy culture, or continuation of the jannisary tradition to a different master?
If being Russia's client state is the ideal Bulgarian patriots aspire to, however pathetic that is, fine, leave NATO and EU then, but how well would that serve Bulgaria's interests, well, pretty sure you couldn't get a majority for that.

Says the guy that wants to rope in NATO to fight his wars for him, that hates the EU and that advocates actions that damage his country's main trading partners.

The fact that my country is in an alliance and I am against does not make me a non-patriot, you idiot, because I put my national interests above those of bullshit like NATO, where we are allied with our enemies of the last 1000 years and under the control of Murika, who want us to turn ourselves into targets for a country we have had historically good relations with and force us to buy their overpriced LNG while hollowing out Europe's industry..

An alliance needs to have a strict purpose and size, and NATO is too genderfluid for that.

Don't get me wrong, I want the EU defanged and a return to sovereigntism, but your approach is stupid and you end up empowering them more.

Again, you go on with the hypocrisy and the whataboutism.

With allies like you we need no enemies.

Terthna · Feb 25, 2023

Bacle said:
I'd prefer to wait to see if this is the official line or not from the CCP/Xi, or if this idiot just put his foot in Xi's proverbial mouth.

The CCP openly supporting the Russian diplomatic desires to control Crimea and the Donbass, and splitting Kyiv in two, is the sort of thing that cannot be walked back if it ends up becoming the line Xi's puts out.

I mean I still think sanctions over the Wu Flu against the CCP are still in order, but layering on sanctions for supporting partition of Ukraine is a big next step; need to see what Xi says before pulling the trigger.

The problem is that there's a point where we'd have to start sanctioning ourselves, because of how closely tied economically we still are to China. Most American companies still have their manufacturing over there, are heavily invested in the Chinese market, and/or receive a lot of investment money from China. We're talking Hollywood, Big Tech, Academia, huge swaths of our real estate industry; China has its claws in pretty much everything over here that involves money, and a lot of rich and powerful people (including our own President) stand to lose a great deal if we start sanctioning them to the degree that we're sanctioning Russia.

Marduk · Feb 25, 2023

Agent23 said:
Says the guy that wants to rope in NATO to fight his wars for him, that hates the EU and that advocates actions that damage his country's main trading partners.

Chill out, you're making our whole political class look like worthy scions of Machiavelli...
But you said that we're aligning to the EU and NATO, not the other way around, so at least make up your mind as to what you're arguing before you argue with me.

Agent23 said:
The fact that my country is in an alliance and I am against does not make me a non-patriot, you idiot, because I put my national interests above those of bullshit like NATO, where we are allied with our enemies of the last 1000 years and under the control of Murika, who want us to turn ourselves into targets for a country we have had historically good relations with and force us to buy their overpriced LNG while hollowing out Europe's industry..

Murika is your enemy since 1000 years?
And since when do you care so much about "Europe" and its industry? Whenever "the institutions" and leadership of Brussels come up you shit on them, so make up your mind.
>historically good relations

Bulgaria during World War II - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

As a consequence of World War II, the Soviet Union invaded Bulgaria and a Communist regime was installed in 1946 with Georgi Dimitrov at the helm. The monarchy was abolished in 1946 and the tsar sent into exile. The People's Republic of Bulgaria was established, lasting until 1990. The Red Army remained in occupation of Bulgaria until 1947. Bulgaria later joined the Warsaw Pact in 1954 and 1968 Warsaw Pact invasion of Czechoslovakia.

Spot the vatnik fake patriot, they have those in all the ex-WP countries.

Agent23 said:
An alliance needs to have a strict purpose and size, and NATO is too genderfluid for that.

Don't get me wrong, I want the EU defanged and a return to sovereigntism, but your approach is stupid and you end up empowering them more.

So in the end, are we making the EU weaker or stronger?
If you say weaker, i will demand praise every time you shit on the EU, and if you say stronger, i will call you a globohomo jannisary every time you whine about the Russia hostility harming muh EU\Germany economic interests as you are implying that's a bad thing to do.
Make your choice.
As for me, the EU doesn't occupy enough real estate in my head to eclipse the more assertive eastern threat right now.

Agent23 said:
Again, you go on with the hypocrisy and the whataboutism.

With allies like you we need no enemies.

Blahblahblah, need a mirror?

Agent23 · Feb 25, 2023

Marduk said:
Chill out, you're making our whole political class look like worthy scions of Machiavelli...

More like too clever by half.

Marduk said:
Murika is your enemy since 1000 years?
And since when do you care so much about "Europe" and its industry? Whenever "the institutions" and leadership of Brussels come up you shit on them, so make up your mind.
>historically good relations

Bulgaria during World War II - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

>Does random googling of a country's 1300 year history.
>Thinks that actually gives him any knowledge or context.
Typical marduk, "sucking shit out of your fingers" should be another bingo tile.

Here is where you can start:

Marduk said:
Spot the vatnik fake patriot, they have those in all the ex-WP countries.

The Liberation of Bulgaria is the historical process as a result of the Bulgarian Revival. In Bulgarian historiography, the liberation of Bulgaria refers to those events of the Tenth Russo-Turkish War (1877–1878) that led to the re-establishment of the Bulgarian state under the Treaty of San Stefano of 3 March 1878.

And you Poles and your Baltic buddies were...drumroll, volunteering to aid the Turks...
As was most of Western Europe.

The Greeks?

The Serbs?

They were trying to assimilate us and to otherwise fuck us over all throughout the 500 years of the Ottoman Yoke!

The British and the French were more than happy to try and block Russia's attempt to aid us and the other Orthodox people in the Ottoman Empire, does the Crimean War ring a bell?

Marduk said:
So in the end, are we making the EU weaker or stronger?
If you say weaker, i will demand praise every time you shit on the EU, and if you say stronger, i will call you a globohomo jannisary every time you whine about the Russia hostility harming muh EU\Germany economic interests as you are implying that's a bad thing to do.
Make your choice.
As for me, the EU doesn't occupy enough real estate in my head to eclipse the more assertive eastern threat right now.

Blahblahblah, need a mirror?

Right back at you.

AmosTrask · Feb 25, 2023

Husky_Khan said:
Chinese Media has a proposition for a peaceful settlement in the Ukrainian Conflict.

The Chinese can fuck off. We want a partition too. Of Western Taiwan. Everything outside of Beijing proper cleansed of all CCP members and supporters and turned over to Taiwan. Liberation of Xinjiang, Tibet, Mongolia, Manchuria. Everything south of the Yellow river liberated for the tribes that still survive. All Han there moved north of the Yellow River. All CCP who've committed crimes executed, the survivors walled off in Beijing County.

All Vatniks like @Agent23 deported to Russia where they belong.

Marduk · Feb 25, 2023

Agent23 said:
More like too clever by half.

>Does random googling of a country's 1300 year history.
>Thinks that actually gives him any knowledge or context.
Typical marduk, "sucking shit out of your fingers" should be another bingo tile.

Here is where you can start:

Sorry, i don't read vodkarunes.

Agent23 said:
And you Poles and your Baltic buddies were...drumroll, volunteering to aid the Turks...
As was most of Western Europe.

Lol, how would they do that while being occupied by Russia?
Or perhaps that may have something to do with it...

Bulgarian: Stupid Poles, stop messing with the Russian Empire that is just trying to culturally genocide you, don't you see that they are liberating us from the Turks which is obviously more important and you are distracting them by resisting, don't you care about us?

Agent23 said:
The Greeks?

The Serbs?

They were trying to assimilate us and to otherwise fuck us over all throughout the 500 years of the Ottoman Yoke!

The British and the French were more than happy to try and block Russia's attempt to aid us and the other Orthodox people in the Ottoman Empire, does the Crimean War ring a bell?

Right back at you.

Ah, so you are eager to fall for the liberation meme in an earlier form, vatniks love it either way.

Imagine thinking Russians did it out of love for you, not for the very utilitarian goal of riling up a minority in a hostile empire they felt weak and so wanted to take a piece of. Guess you took a liking to the role of a tool of Kremlin.

AmosTrask · Feb 25, 2023

Bacle said:
Oh, I have a pretty fucking good idea what this means, after hearing some of Zelensky's speeches recently. He's said that if the CCP join the Russian side, it means WW3.

The CCP will be directly supplying and aiding Russian forces in the invasion of Ukraine, and will not cooperate with many, if any, sanctions on Russia going forward, if this is truly official CCP shit.

Unless something very big happens to change things as they are, even when Ukraine is able to get back their 1991 borders, it'll be a Korean-DMZ type situation at best, and the CCP won't help hold Russia back anymore, except maybe from nukes (if they even have that level of pull with Putin anymore is an open question).

Man, if I'd known the future was probably gonna look a lot more like Red Alert/Fallout/Ghost in the Shell, I would have made a lot of choices differently.

They already help Russia. North Korea can't make enough shells of the quality needed so the CCP have been quietly making up the shortage with Chinese shells in DPRK Arms Companies stamped boxes. Slipping them into the trains whenever they stop in Chinese depots to refuel. It's the CCP though so the effort in disguise is half assed and they did not remove the CCP makers marks or labels on the shells themselves.

Agent23 · Feb 25, 2023

Marduk said:
Sorry, i don't read vodkarunes.

Not my problem that you are illiterate in something that fits your language better than that shliokavitsa.

Marduk said:
Lol, how would they do that while being occupied by Russia?
Or perhaps that may have something to do with it...

Polish Legion in Turkey - Wikipedia

Stanislas Saint Clair - Wikipedia

Marduk said:
Bulgarian: Stupid Poles, stop messing with the Russian Empire that is just trying to culturally genocide you, don't you see that they are liberating us from the Turks which is obviously more important and you are distracting them by resisting, don't you care about us?

Trying to genocide you.

While leaving your barons/magnets/wahtever be and letting them keep all their shit.
Even letting you join their military...

You guys wouldn't have lasted as an ethnos for even 100 years under the Ottomans.

What did those tens of thousands of Poles fighting for the Turks achieve, anyway?

Jack shit.

Marduk said:
Ah, so you are eager to fall for the liberation meme in an earlier form, vatniks love it either way.

Imagine thinking Russians did it out of love for you, not for the very utilitarian goal of riling up a minority in a hostile empire they felt weak and so wanted to take a piece of. Guess you took a liking to the role of a tool of Kremlin.

You fucking have it backwards and talking out your ass, as always.

Fun fact, we were actually the conduit for the diplomatic reapportionment between the USSR and Nazi Germany and some meetings that eventually paved the way to the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, maybe, since you are hell bent on pissing off both Germany and Russia again because of your axe to grind we will have to do a version 2.0, maybe we will give you the same aid during the next Polish partition as you gave us during the war of our national liberation.
What goes around comes around, Poliak, and your holier than thou, obsessive, tunnel vision attitude will not win you any friends, hell, it will fuck you internally, too.

I understand your obsession, even if I think it is stupid, I understand your yearning for national freedom, even if compared to what was done to the Bulgarians by the Turks the Polish Partitions were like comparing a paper cut to a sabre to the abdomen.

I even understand the yearning for vengeance and for reclaiming past glories.

However, as you don't give a shit about my country and its concerns and interests, Poliak, neither will I give a damn about yours.

Nor is NATO a strictly anti-Russia alliance, I recall it was supposed to be anti-Terrorist a few years ago before you and your buddies started pushing the Muh Russia narrative.

Fix your own fucking problems and stop living in the past, or you will end up like Bulgaria after the Balkan Wars.

Now, go cure your little Russia Derangement Syndrome, and don't forget this:

Marduk · Feb 25, 2023

Agent23 said:
Not my problem that you are illiterate in something that fits your language better than that shliokavitsa.

Polish Legion in Turkey - Wikipedia

Stanislas Saint Clair - Wikipedia

Blame Russian Empire's adventures in Europe making it enemies.

Agent23 said:
Trying to genocide you.

While leaving your barons/magnets/wahtever be and letting them keep all their shit.
Even letting you join their military...

Well the Turks gave you the "privilege" of joining their military too

Don't throw Stalin joke grade bullshit at me.

Agent23 said:
You guys wouldn't have lasted as an ethnos for even 100 years under the Ottomans.

What did those tens of thousands of Poles fighting for the Turks achieve, anyway?

Jack shit.

Well if it meant nothing then why do you bring it up?

Agent23 said:
You fucking have it backwards and talking out your ass, as always.

Fun fact, we were actually the conduit for the diplomatic reapportionment between the USSR and Nazi Germany and some meetings that eventually paved the way to the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.

You are only making your whining about no more muh cheap resources sweeter to my ears.

Agent23 said:
I understand your obsession, even if I think it is stupid, I understand your yearning for national freedom, even if compared to what was done to the Bulgarians by the Turks the Polish Partitions were like comparing a paper cut to a sabre to the abdomen.

Yeah, yeah, us important, we bigger victim than you, go cuck to Russia so we can get a cut for it. You do you.

Agent23 said:
I even understand the yearning for vengeance and for reclaiming past glories.

However, as you don't give a shit about my country and its concerns and interests, Poliak, neither will I give a damn about yours.

So, what are you doing in the EU and NATO? You are supposed to be allied with the West with that. If you prefer your old friendship with Russia, i assure you that they have their own military and economic alliances for that, why aren't you there?

Agent23 said:
Nor is NATO a strictly anti-Russia alliance, I recall it was supposed to be anti-Terrorist a few years ago before you and your buddies started pushing the Muh Russia narrative.

>not strictly
So? According to most or all of your very own favored shills it is mostly for that and always was. Also don't tell me you joined mostly for the post 9/11 anti-terrorist angle because neither of us believes it.

Agent23 said:
Fix your own fucking problems and stop living in the past, or you will end up like Bulgaria after the Balkan Wars.

We are. Russia is one of them.

Marduk · Feb 25, 2023

Agent23 said:
Now, go cure your little Russia Derangement Syndrome, and don't forget this:

Only if i can meet you on the battlefield, with NATO mercenaries.

Agent23 · Feb 25, 2023

Marduk said:
Blame Russian Empire's adventures in Europe making it enemies.

As you were part of it at the time I will just call them treasonous terrorists and separatists.

Or do you mean the French and British morons?
Because those were just thirsty for more colonial plunder and control over the Ottoman empire, India and the rest of the world.
Or haven't you heard of the Great Game.

Also, Louis napoleon was a buffoon.

Marduk said:
Well the Turks gave you the "privilege" of joining their military too
Don't throw Stalin joke grade bullshit at me.

Marduk said:
Well if it meant nothing then why do you bring it up?

You are only making your whining about no more muh cheap resources sweeter to my ears.

As I said, there are many reasons to oppose your little bellicose obsession.

Marduk said:
Yeah, yeah, us important, we bigger victim than you, go cuck to Russia so we can get a cut for it. You do you.

You started the oppression race by whining how you were being 'genocided'. Stop being a sore loser you drama queen.

Marduk said:
So, what are you doing in the EU and NATO? You are supposed to be allied with the West with that. If you prefer your old friendship with Russia, i assure you that they have their own military and economic alliances for that, why aren't you there?

NATO?
No idea, probably because we wanted in the EU.

As to the EU, well, they wanted us in, in fact they want everything in, like the expansionist empire they are.
Not that there aren't benefits in the form of easier trade and travel and some block based arrangements, but overall much of the bureaucracy and the control need to be scaled back.

Also, we stopped the Arabs from overrunning Europe before your Fieldistan was even founded, we belong in Europe.
Also, it is, or rather was supposed to be, a good way to counter American hegemony, now it is a bloated, ever expanding bureaucracy run by morons and weaklings and special interests and toadies
.
If you are so thirsty for the Murikans then what are you doing in it?

And I see good relations with Russia and access to its resources and markets as a plus for the entire EU, so if you need to go to war with it that much why don't you and the baltic shitholes don't quit the EU?

Marduk said:
>not strictly
So? According to most or all of your very own favored shills it is mostly for that and always was. Also don't tell me you joined mostly for the post 9/11 anti-terrorist angle because neither of us believes it.

We are. Russia is one of them.

Marduk · Feb 25, 2023

Agent23 said:
As you were part of it at the time I will just call them treasonous terrorists and separatists.

Ok treasonous Turk separatist.

Agent23 said:
As I said, there are many reasons to oppose your little bellicose obsession.

>threatens second Ribbentrop-Molotov pact
>Poland is the bellicose party here

Agent23 said:
You started the oppression race by whining how you were being 'genocided'. Stop being a sore loser you drama queen.

You're the drama queen who is butthurt about Poles volunteering to fight Russian Empire lol.

Agent23 said:
NATO?
No idea, probably because we wanted in the EU.

Why didn't you want the glorious, globohomo, USA, neocon warmonger and NATO free, cheap resource rich life in Russian World also known as the Eurasian Economic Union instead?

Agent23 said:
As to the EU, well, they wanted us in, in fact they want everything in, like the expansionist empire they are.

Literally the meme:

Agent23 said:
Not that there aren't benefits in the form of easier trade and travel and some block based arrangements, but overall much of the bureaucracy and the control need to be scaled back.

Also, we stopped the Arabs from overrunning Europe before your Fieldistan was even founded, we belong in Europe.

We stopped Turks from overrunning Europe too and it's much more recent lol, get used to not getting credit for that.

Agent23 said:
Also, it is, or rather was supposed to be, a good way to counter American hegemony, now it is a bloated, ever expanding bureaucracy run by morons and weaklings and special interests and toadies
.

Lol muh American hegemony. Make up your mind, is EU elite rule the horrible thing, or is EU leftist elite better (muh corporations not paying enough taxes and dodging our hate speech laws with their 1A!) with their ambition about countering America hegemony?

Agent23 said:
If you are so thirsty for the Murikans then what are you doing in it?

Waiting for them to make their own EU equivalent.

Agent23 said:
And I see good relations with Russia and access to its resources and markets as a plus for the entire EU, so if you need to go to war with it that much why don't you and the baltic shitholes don't quit the EU?

Well what you see is fucking delusions, being reliant on Russia is idiocy, and current events prove it. Some are learning that hard now, hopefully it will stick. Nevermind that wars and shit are NATO business and we sure aren't leaving that.

Bacle · Feb 26, 2023

Terthna said:
The problem is that there's a point where we'd have to start sanctioning ourselves, because of how closely tied economically we still are to China. Most American companies still have their manufacturing over there, are heavily invested in the Chinese market, and/or receive a lot of investment money from China. We're talking Hollywood, Big Tech, Academia, huge swaths of our real estate industry; China has its claws in pretty much everything over here that involves money, and a lot of rich and powerful people (including our own President) stand to lose a great deal if we start sanctioning them to the degree that we're sanctioning Russia.

Well, punishing US companies who keep doing business with parts of the CCP that support Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and punishing US companies who do business with out enemies in general, wouldn't be a bad thing.

King Arts · Feb 26, 2023

Bacle said:
Well, punishing US companies who keep doing business with parts of the CCP that support Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and punishing US companies who do business with out enemies in general, wouldn't be a bad thing.

It would be if by sanctioning them we also hurt ourselves. China is a large trading partner much more than Russia. Also you have to consider that a significant amount of euros have more trade with China than us. If they were forced to choose who to stop trading with they may stop trading with America. That’s the stupidity of doing things cold turkey like libs and neocons want. If we were smart we would slowly wean ourselves and Allie’s off but china would then see it coming.

Bacle · Feb 26, 2023

King Arts said:
It would be if by sanctioning them we also hurt ourselves. China is a large trading partner much more than Russia. Also you have to consider that a significant amount of euros have more trade with China than us. If they were forced to choose who to stop trading with they may stop trading with America. That’s the stupidity of doing things cold turkey like libs and neocons want. If we were smart we would slowly wean ourselves and Allie’s off but china would then see it coming.

We have Mexico and Canada; we don't need the CCP anymore and have been moving towards decoupling from them for a few years.

If the CCp put forward that partition plan as a serious idea, then they should eat Russian level sanctions till they give up on helping Russia invade Ukraine.

Fuck the CCP and fuck Russia; the sooner no one in the US does business with either, the better.

Marduk · Feb 26, 2023

King Arts said:
It would be if by sanctioning them we also hurt ourselves. China is a large trading partner much more than Russia. Also you have to consider that a significant amount of euros have more trade with China than us. If they were forced to choose who to stop trading with they may stop trading with America. That’s the stupidity of doing things cold turkey like libs and neocons want. If we were smart we would slowly wean ourselves and Allie’s off but china would then see it coming.

If done smartly, this is the very opportunity to start doing it early and gradually, as opposed to not doing it and then going cold turkey once they try some shit with Taiwan, SK or SEA.

King Arts · Feb 26, 2023

Bacle said:
We have Mexico and Canada; we don't need the CCP anymore and have been moving towards decoupling from them for a few years.

If the CCp put forward that partition plan as a serious idea, then they should eat Russian level sanctions till they give up on helping Russia invade Ukraine.

Fuck the CCP and fuck Russia; the sooner no one in the US does business with either, the better.

And would France go along with this? Germany would they want to ruin their economy more? What if they and most nations in the world say fuck you? Because here is the thing losing either the U.S. or China would be des
tructive to many nations economy. Like 40 percent vs 50 percent doesen't really matter at that point it's fucked either way why not go with the one that is slightly more larger trade partner so a little less percent of your economy is fucked even though it won't matter much.

Marduk said:
If done smartly, this is the very opportunity to start doing it early and gradually, as opposed to not doing it and then going cold turkey once they try some shit with Taiwan, SK or SEA.

IF being the operative word. The weakness of democracy is that what the previous administration did the next can change so the plan to slowly decouple yourself from China means you'd need at least 10 or so years to go slow and hope you don't get your plan stopped by the opposition. Any people cheering on sanctions are not going to lead to us implement intelligent seperation from China no they are gonna fuck us and lead to us going cold turkey.

Zachowon · Feb 26, 2023

Bacle said:
I'd prefer to wait to see if this is the official line or not from the CCP/Xi, or if this idiot just put his foot in Xi's proverbial mouth.

The CCP openly supporting the Russian diplomatic desires to control Crimea and the Donbass, and splitting Kyiv in two, is the sort of thing that cannot be walked back if it ends up becoming the line Xi's puts out.

I mean I still think sanctions over the Wu Flu against the CCP are still in order, but layering on sanctions for supporting partition of Ukraine is a big next step; need to see what Xi says before pulling the trigger.

Let's just go all out.
Let's make war fucking happen.

King Arts said:
And would France go along with this? Germany would they want to ruin their economy more? What if they and most nations in the world say fuck you? Because here is the thing losing either the U.S. or China would be des
tructive to many nations economy. Like 40 percent vs 50 percent doesen't really matter at that point it's fucked either way why not go with the one that is slightly more larger trade partner so a little less percent of your economy is fucked even though it won't matter much.

IF being the operative word. The weakness of democracy is that what the previous administration did the next can change so the plan to slowly decouple yourself from China means you'd need at least 10 or so years to go slow and hope you don't get your plan stopped by the opposition. Any people cheering on sanctions are not going to lead to us implement intelligent seperation from China no they are gonna fuck us and lead to us going cold turkey.

The world follows the US

King Arts · Feb 26, 2023

Zachowon said:
Let's just go all out.
Let's make war fucking happen.

The world follows the US

Again why would they? For them it would be best for things to continue going as they are. It seems more likely they'd say fuck you to America for trying to cause a world war.

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