Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

History Learner

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I am honestly impressed at this point by your ability to delude yourself.

That's a very funny way of admitting I was right, perhaps you should try again? Because I was and that's why you didn't actually respond to the points made.

You still haven't proven jack shit about Russia's artillery production capacity, and taking part (or even all) of Soledar is chump change compared to the massive victories Ukraine has won in the last few months.

But I did, that's why you didn't respond to the points as usual. Ukrainian victories in recent months have been ephemeral, just as I predicted they would; they've not made any progress in two months and are now actually losing territory while continuously stating they're expecting a major Russian offensive to develop against them. For those who know anything of warfare, this means the initiative has passed back to the Russians, which completely invalidates everything you've been saying and vindicates me, as usual.

All that you're demonstrating here is your capacity for trying to justify the conclusion you want to be true. You aren't even very good at it; your arguments have become more and more hilariously absurd and obviously wrong as the months have gone on.

Keep telling yourself that and it'll still be as hilariously wrong as the first time you claimed. You're never able to counter me in any respect beyond the ostrich defense of saying I was wrong, while avoiding all the evidence, both data and in recent weeks on the battlefield, that prove I was entirely correct. As they saying goes, cope and seethe.

At this point, the only thing you're accomplishing in these threads, is providing us with entertainment, and demonstrating the human capacity for self-delusion.

To date, I've had Marduk arguing he was mentally stable, Megadeath got drunk and ranted about me in this thread and that Planefag guy went on, at length, about his fantasies of me seeing him in public. There's definitely Lolcows in this thread, and they're all in your, ahem, "clique of friends". Half of you post about me when I'm not even around, I live in your heads THAT rent free and ultimately it's because I'm correct and you're utterly buck broken about it.
 

History Learner

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Comparisons are worthless when you are comparing one side to.... what exactly?

I know you're of the daft variety Marduk, but surely you remember this war is between Ukraine and Russia?

Do you have the data for the other side, and i mean real data, not propaganda, as Russian government is not famous for its transparency in military data?

Again, I know you're daft and struggling with reading comprehension, but surely you're not making the argument the Estonian Defense Intelligence Chief and CSIS are Russian Government? If Moscow has pierced that deep into the West, then you better had go hide before you get sent to Siberia for manual labor, no?

If you do, i think you can make bank by contacting the CIA.

Well I'm not a cheerleader for George Soros, so no, I don't think I will. I know you have no morals beyond trying to own the Russians for cucking Poland for the last several centuries, so have at it though.

Secondly, bold of you to assume that USA needs to replace it's inventory of NATO standard ammunition solely with domestic production limited by peacetime bureaucracy.

Again, I know you're daft, but you might want to look at the chart linked again because the CSIS report included the "surge" production option which is precisely them removing peacetime bureaucracy for war production rates. If your use of the bolded NATO standard ammunition bit is meant to suggest European rates of production make up for this lacking, you might find it worthwhile to review, again, the thread already linked:



The UK, for example, is looking at increasing its production on a timeframe of 15 years.

Go watch this if you want to talk about NATO ammo logistics before you beclown yourself further:


Yeah, it's still wrong, hence why you didn't actually respond to any of the points and why you can't cite anything in particular from the video itself.

And this shit is why your posts resemble Russian MoD press releases and as such, no one takes them seriously.


Typical Russian media - claim takeover of a city, or this time a 10k pre-war population town (lol) already after taking just some small or large part of it.


Ah yes, a video of a Ukrainian flag on a pole zoomed in clearly means the AFU is still holding Soledar even though no soldiers are around, when even CNN and ISW are conceding on this bit. Cope harder lol.
 
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History Learner

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HI HL, was wondering when you'd pop up? Soooo, my memory is a bit foggy at the moment, dunno if I was addressing you directly, but I seem to remember stating at some point that the Russians themselves admitted, or rather Trans-Baikal State Duma Deputy admitted, that the Russian MOD had "misplaced" 1.5 million winter uniforms for their troops. As in, winter clothing that I assume you'd want the Russian troops to wear when winter hits so they're not freezing to death.

Hey Tiamat, since you've seemed to have "forgot" to respond to what I actually asked, let me remind you: why hasn't the Russian Army starved to death or died of hypothermia yet? We are almost in peak winter, so why hasn't the AFU walked over empty Russian trench lines yet? There's nothing left to forage for; crops were harvested months ago.



Not really sure what Visegrad24 claiming this without evidence is supposed to prove and, in fact, is rather hilarious you cite them:



Also again, noticed you posting bits from ISW. I'll post the link to their full thread and everyone can read through and judge for themselves.


Indeed, the fact on January 4th they noted the importance of Soledar and are now desperately changing tact should explain volumes about the situation. If you'd like, however, I even helpfully archived their tweets, since the link you added just takes you to their home page on Twitter, rather than any specific tweets?

Please note in that thread ISW notes that even with Soledar taken, this does not indicate an immediate encirclement of Bakhmut, but hey, things can change.

Good thing I didn't say it did either, but I would generally assume most people have the cognitive abilities to discern that losing 50% of your logistics makes holding anything in a military sense much more difficult?

What's also important to note in that thread though, ISW has observed that the Russians after getting their asses handed to them for the past several months they need SOME kind of PR victory for a morale boost, even if it's one over a town with a pre-war pop of 10,000 and a salt mine which the head of the PMC Wagner group hopes to exploit. Even more importantly, the Russian's declared victory in Soledar is getting hotly contested between the Russian MOD and the PMC Wagner, so not one but TWO armies are fighting for the lion's share of the booty and possible future funding, kind of like the rivalry between the Wehrmacht and the Schutstaffel. Not really a good sign when the Russians are supposed to be presenting a "united" front.

Well, given the Russian Army avoided any serious casualties but have been inflicting heavy losses instead upon the AFU, this outcome was to be expected, particularly as the RuF marshals its superior forces to bare upon the Ukrainians. AFU offensives have been halted now for almost three months, and they are actually losing ground, which is exactly what I had been saying for months. You might find it useful to learn what attrition war is, and I'm sure the AFU General Staff and Zelensky could stand to learn about it too, given their incessant bickering over Bakhmut strategy.

As for the Russians complaining about food shortages....uh, there's plenty of videos, intercepted phone calls, etc. of Russian mobniks complaining about not having food to eat, among other things.




Yes, I'm well aware of the claims, I'm also equally aware of them being dismissed by the AFU Commander in Chief. Again, if these are as numerous and severe as you contest, how is the Russian Army still attacking? You can only go a month without food but won't survive more than a few days in the elements, and you've been claiming this since November. Yet, the AFU is the one losing ground so, once again, explain how that is for me?
 

Marduk

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I know you're of the daft variety Marduk, but surely you remember this war is between Ukraine and Russia?
You can stick your stupid jokes into your stupid ass, which you are clearly using to do your thinking, because otherwise your attempts at jokes would not be so shitty.

Again, I know you're daft and struggling with reading comprehension, but surely you're not making the argument the Estonian Defense Intelligence Chief and CSIS are Russian Government? If Moscow has pierced that deep into the West, then you better had go hide before you get sent to Siberia for manual labor, no?
Yeah, Estonia, a 1.3 million country famous for powerful and well funded intelligence apparatus, without giving method of getting that data or certainty rating...
Sure, i know your MO, stick to a piece of information you can cherrypick conveniently for narrative and hold onto it for your dear life. I don't value your narrative though and so i feel no obligation to share in your obsession.
For one you should start how them starting their general data with "we estimate" should inspire my confidence in the certainty and accuracy of that intel, starting with it in fact being intel rather than a somewhat educated guess.

Well I'm not a cheerleader for George Soros, so no, I don't think I will. I know you have no morals beyond trying to own the Russians for cucking Poland for the last several centuries, so have at it though.
Tell me what system of "morals" you are shilling for Russia in the name of, so that i know what moral system to shit talk for the rest of my life.

Again, I know you're daft, but you might want to look at the chart linked again because the CSIS reported included the "surge" production option which is precisely them removing peacetime bureaucracy for war production rates. If your use of the bolded NATO standard ammunition bit is meant to suggest European rates of production, you might find it worthwhile to review, again, the thread already linked:



The UK, for example, is looking at increasing its production on a timeframe of 15 years.

So what? How does UK having production increase plans for next 15 years mean anything about lack of surge capacity in the whole EU now, or even UK itself? As usual, you pull conclusions out of tangentially related things and make no fucking sense.

And what definition of surge production did they use?
This says 20k 155mm shells a month, aka 240k a year is a planned "surge" by peacetime standards that is meant to be reached by spring, without any particular special measures like DPA, and 40k a month by 2025, also by ordinary contracting, so great job being caught yet again dramatically misinterpreting sentences you struggle to understand in a way that conveniently supports your narrative.

Yeah, it's still wrong, hence why you didn't actually respond to any of the points and why you can't citing anything in particular from the video itself.
Stop being a lazy ass spewing out stupid takes and instead cite what parts of the video are wrong yourself.
Ah yes, a video of a Ukrainian flag on a pole zoomed in clearly means the AFU is still holding Soledar even though no soldiers are around, when even CNN and ISW are conceding on this bit. Cope harder lol.
Who the fuck do you think is filming it, and why would they film own positions to post in public within hours? Seethe harder lol.
 
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Tiamat

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Hey Tiamat, since you've seemed to have "forgot" to respond to what I actually asked, let me remind you: why hasn't the Russian Army starved to death or died of hypothermia yet? We are almost in peak winter, so why hasn't the AFU walked over empty Russian trench lines yet? There's nothing left to forage for; crops were harvested months ago.



Not really sure what Visegrad24 claiming this without evidence is supposed to prove and, in fact, is rather hilarious you cite them:





Indeed, the fact on January 4th they noted the importance of Soledar and are now desperately changing tact should explain volumes about the situation. If you'd like, however, I even helpfully archived their tweets, since the link you added just takes you to their home page on Twitter, rather than any specific tweets?



Good thing I didn't say it did either, but I would generally assume most people have the cognitive abilities to discern that losing 50% of your logistics makes holding anything in a military sense much more difficult?



Well, given the Russian Army avoided any serious casualties but have been inflicting heavy losses instead upon the AFU, this outcome was to be expected, particularly as the RuF marshals its superior forces to bare upon the Ukrainians. AFU offensives have been halted now for almost three months, and they are actually losing ground, which is exactly what I had been saying for months. You might find it useful to learn what attrition war is, and I'm sure the AFU General Staff and Zelensky could stand to learn about it too, given their incessant bickering over Bakhmut strategy.



Yes, I'm well aware of the claims, I'm also equally aware of them being dismissed by the AFU Commander in Chief. Again, if these are as numerous and severe as you contest, how is the Russian Army still attacking? You can only go a month without food but won't survive more than a few days in the elements, and you've been claiming this since November. Yet, the AFU is the one losing ground so, once again, explain how that is for me?



Keep harping and spamming your personal delusions, you made me glassy-eyed, AGAIN.
 

History Learner

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You can stick your stupid jokes into your stupid ass, which you are clearly using to do your thinking, because otherwise your attempts at jokes would not be so shitty.

Your fascination with Sodomy is well within character, of course, given your preference for the Soros faction, but unfortunately I wasn't making a joke for you rather than mocking you for how even the simplest bits of the argument you can't even keep up with. Hell, the thread title alone wasn't even enough?

Yeah, Estonia, a 1.3 million country famous for powerful and well funded intelligence apparatus, without giving method of getting that data or certainty rating...

Given Estonia is in NATO and does intelligence sharing with them, then perhaps I was right about the Russians getting that deep into NATO? Better run Marduk before they come for you but, before you do, would you care to explain why you left out the part I also cited CSIS? Weird how you continue to forget so many details...

Sure, i know your MO, stick to a piece of information you can cherrypick conveniently for narrative and hold onto it for your dear life. I don't value your narrative though and so i feel no obligation to share in your obsession.

And yet, you continue to seek to argue with me every chance. Sure, sure, you'll try to claim it's to prove a point or some such nonsense, which completely invalidates the facade you're trying to construct in this post of not caring. It cannot logically be both, so are you trying to fool yourself or me?

Tell me what system of "morals" you are shilling for Russia in the name of, so that i know what moral system to shit talk for the rest of my life.

That presumes you have the mental capacity to do such, which I have not seen evidence of in any of our discussions. Given you didn't even remember who Russia was fighting earlier, perhaps you should refrain from the exertion?

So what? How does UK having production increase plans for next 15 years mean anything about lack of surge capacity in the whole EU now, or even UK itself? As usual, you pull conclusions out of tangentially related things and make no fucking sense.

If you had bothered to read the thread and the sources connected to, as you seem to want me to do for your debunked Perun video, you would know they are talking about surge production rates. I know it's galling, of course, to be so consistently wrong, but those are the facts.

Stop being a lazy ass spewing out stupid takes and instead cite what parts of the video are wrong yourself.

In a debate, you're expected to cite your own argument. If you're expecting me to make it for you, then we've reached a new level of your own incapacity to argue with me.

Who the fuck do you think is filming it, and why would they film own positions to post in public within hours? Seethe harder lol.

I don't know who is filming it, given there is no one saying anything in the video. You even make the argument against it by noting the AFU would be revealing their positions by posting this, so explain why they would? Likewise, I don't have to seethe when I can make you cope harder, as I always do:

 

History Learner

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Keep harping and spamming your personal delusions, you made me glassy-eyed, AGAIN.

Rather, you bitched out of answering a simple question three times, precisely because we both know that simple question eliminates your argument. That you now try to hide behind ironic detachment is cute, given you just posted a page length rebuttal to begin with.

Get dunked on lol.
 

Marduk

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Your fascination with Sodomy is well within character, of course, given your preference for the Soros faction, but unfortunately I wasn't making a joke for you rather than mocking you for how even the simplest bits of the argument you can't even keep up with. Hell, the thread title alone wasn't even enough?
Mockery is a kind of joke you illiterate clown.

Given Estonia is in NATO and does intelligence sharing with them, then perhaps I was right about the Russians getting that deep into NATO? Better run Marduk before they come for you but, before you do, would you care to explain why you left out the part I also cited CSIS? Weird how you continue to forget so many details...
Get better material, shitty clown, no one cares, you are wasting a perfectly good keyboard typing this up.
Intelligence in any serious organization is shared on need to know basis, and Estonia is obviously not expected to do strategic strikes on Russian manufacturing or something.

And yet, you continue to seek to argue with me every chance.
>seek
Yet you insist on posting your vatnik shilling in threads i browse, so in fact i don't have to seek it at all. Go post it in /chug/ or something, i won't seek it there, lol.
Sure, sure, you'll try to claim it's to prove a point or some such nonsense, which completely invalidates the facade you're trying to construct in this post of not caring. It cannot logically be both, so are you trying to fool yourself or me?
No need to fool you, you are always a fool.

That presumes you have the mental capacity to do such, which I have not seen evidence of in any of our discussions. Given you didn't even remember who Russia was fighting earlier, perhaps you should refrain from the exertion?
Exert your fucking brain and try to understand that your shitty behavior will convince absolutely no one to your side.

If you had bothered to read the thread and the sources connected to, as you seem to want me to do for your debunked Perun video, you would know they are talking about surge production rates. I know it's galling, of course, to be so consistently wrong, but those are the facts.
Claims of your status as an intelligent life form are the only thing being deboonked here, jackass.

In a debate, you're expected to cite your own argument. If you're expecting me to make it for you, then we've reached a new level of your own incapacity to argue with me.
I don't give the smallest damn about your preferred rules of discussion. Take it or leave it. In fact i would represent many in saying you taking the second option would be widely popular.

I don't know who is filming it, given there is no one saying anything in the video.
I suggest learning to operate a computer or washing your ears.

You even make the argument against it by noting the AFU would be revealing their positions by posting this, so explain why they would? Likewise, I don't have to seethe when I can make you cope harder, as I always do:


What part of "still clearing Soledar" do you fail to understand? Is your ability to misunderstand statements in the English language in a way that bends them to your idiotic narrative something you are proud of?
 

Zachowon

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Rather, you bitched out of answering a simple question three times, precisely because we both know that simple question eliminates your argument. That you now try to hide behind ironic detachment is cute, given you just posted a page length rebuttal to begin with.

Get dunked on lol.
Hey, I remember you making plenty of claims about Ukraine falling early in this conflict.
So uh...where is the Russian flag flying over Kiev or Kharkiv.
And what happend to the one in Kherson?
Why is two towns in Donbass more important then major cities?
Where is Russia with its T 15s IFVs to fight tje Bradley's. What about the BMPYs?
 

Tiamat

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Rather, you bitched out of answering a simple question three times, precisely because we both know that simple question eliminates your argument. That you now try to hide behind ironic detachment is cute, given you just posted a page length rebuttal to begin with.

Get dunked on lol.

Yessir! I BITCHED OUT!! See that boys and girls? HL called me out on an INTERNET FORUM!!!

Get dunked? No problem. Get fucked.

That and I guess I'm too lazy to argue. Others do, but it never goes anywhere with you. So hey, congrats, you got me! Pat yourself on the back for winning another internet argument...or not.
 

ATP

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This was my favorite recent one. Also, Tiamat, didn't you tell me back in November the Russians have no winter clothes and were starving? One wonders how the Russian soldier is able to withstand no food at all for almost three months while also avoiding hypothermia in sub-freezing temperatures at the same time.

Who said that they avoided it? kgbstan do not care how many of his orks die.
They still could win on mountain of their own dead soldier - but,for that,we need:

1.Hidden super army.Maybe putin personally sired soviet apemans for that purpose,or cloned himself? possible,they could wait for RIGHT HOUR.
And,it is not joke,soviets could hide supersoldiers and let their army bleed becouse of,well,soviet logic.

2.USA would sell Ukraine to them - possible,if soviets agree to ally against China and replace putin with other putin.
Democrats are like that - they love selling free people to Moscov.

3.Biden manage to finish USA,so it would be not help from them.Also possible.

But,winning on battlefield when USA still deliver help to Ukraine?
Sorry,not going to happen.

Soviets NEVER managed to win against any opponent with real army who do not surrender without USA help.
That would not change.
 

Lord Sovereign

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History Learner guzzling Putin's cum aside, the absolute state of the Russian Army is almost sad to see. I've been watching a bunch of documentaries about the Napoleonic Wars and, back when they were in green coats, these were some of the best soldiers in Europe.

Even the hapless conscripts of the Crimean War put up a far more effective and spirited fight than what we see today.

One wonders what Marshal Kutusov would make of the current mess.
 

Husky_Khan

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The YouTuber Battle Order did a recent video on Ukrainian Mechanized Brigades, detailing their organization from the bottom up.



Kinda interesting stuff. Learned about the BMP and BTR based mechanized units. How they have three mechanized battalions but also oftentimes several attached motorized infantry (or newer rifle) battalions as well. Also had some insight on the newer/reserve units, like the mechanized brigade equipped with YPR-765 (Dutch M113 Variant) APC's that went into action over the Summer and how the other foreign APC's that were delivered in quantity, like the French VAB's were going to Ukrainian Air Assault Brigades, which are basically high readiness mechanized infantry formations themselves, despite the name. Also units supplied with ATGM's like Stugna's or Javelins etc might be their own independent units as opposed to attached firmly to smaller formations.
 

History Learner

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Yessir! I BITCHED OUT!! See that boys and girls? HL called me out on an INTERNET FORUM!!!

Get dunked? No problem. Get fucked.

That and I guess I'm too lazy to argue. Others do, but it never goes anywhere with you. So hey, congrats, you got me! Pat yourself on the back for winning another internet argument...or not.

> I'm too lazy to argue
> Has already posted three replies already

Yeah, you're not good at this dude. Do better.
 

History Learner

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Hey, I remember you making plenty of claims about Ukraine falling early in this conflict.

Yeah, I got that wrong and owned up to that months ago. That you have to try to reach back almost a year now instead of actually debating the points at hands speaks volumes.

So uh...where is the Russian flag flying over Kiev or Kharkiv.
And what happend to the one in Kherson?

Why isn't the AFU advancing? Why is the RuF? Attrition warfare takes time, something I've said for months.

Why is two towns in Donbass more important then major cities?

I'd imagine because nobody has teleportation devices and logistics exist, so you have to start somewhere. You didn't go from Pearl Harbor to September of '45 in the course of a few weeks, did you?

Where is Russia with its T 15s IFVs to fight tje Bradley's. What about the BMPYs?

I wouldn't know, because no such thing as "BMPYs" exist in the RuF. If you're going to try to dunk on someone, at least have a basic understanding of what you're going to argue.
 

History Learner

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Mockery is a kind of joke you illiterate clown.

The self own on your part here is incredible, given that's not true.

Get better material, shitty clown, no one cares, you are wasting a perfectly good keyboard typing this up.

> No one cares

And yet, here you are replying; if you didn't care, you wouldn't be. I have you fuming as usual and it makes me utterly happy because you're so impotent.

Intelligence in any serious organization is shared on need to know basis, and Estonia is obviously not expected to do strategic strikes on Russian manufacturing or something.

Cool, prove it. Lets see your sources for this.

>seek
Yet you insist on posting your vatnik shilling in threads i browse, so in fact i don't have to seek it at all. Go post it in /chug/ or something, i won't seek it there, lol.

So what happened to no one caring, as you claimed? Are you really that special that you forget what you wrote in three sentences?

No need to fool you, you are always a fool.

And yet, I have you raging in my replies. That you waste your time, when you can be doing anything else, speaks volumes about whom the real fool is in your world view, huh?

Exert your fucking brain and try to understand that your shitty behavior will convince absolutely no one to your side.

Why would I want a bunch of low IQ people on my side anyway? I just enjoy dunking on you lot at this point, particularly you.

Claims of your status as an intelligent life form are the only thing being deboonked here, jackass.

This would be a better insult if you knew how to spell the word "debunked". As usual, your capacity to self ownage is the only thing that makes my job here hard, because you are already the joke.

I don't give the smallest damn about your preferred rules of discussion. Take it or leave it. In fact i would represent many in saying you taking the second option would be widely popular.

I'm sure it would, but then one of the very few smart people in this thread wouldn't be here, now would they? Hell, when I get busy and don't reply here, you all still post about me; I've seen several of your number even publicly melt down about other people liking my posts, you're that fragile.

I suggest learning to operate a computer or washing your ears.

I would suggest learning how to avoid your country getting bulldozed by your neighbors, but hey.

What part of "still clearing Soledar" do you fail to understand? Is your ability to misunderstand statements in the English language in a way that bends them to your idiotic narrative something you are proud of?

The part where you made that the fuck up; it says around Soledar, like the Sol Mine which is to the West of it but not in the city itself. Only in your deluded world can the RuF be clearing a town to the West of Soledar without stopping to consider that means either the garrison has been encircled or the Russians have already taken the city. Likewise again, your capacity for self-ownage never ceases to amaze me:

"Ukrainian forces are highly unlikely to hold positions within the settlement of Soledar itself."​
 

History Learner

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History Learner guzzling Putin's cum aside, the absolute state of the Russian Army is almost sad to see. I've been watching a bunch of documentaries about the Napoleonic Wars and, back when they were in green coats, these were some of the best soldiers in Europe.

Even the hapless conscripts of the Crimean War put up a far more effective and spirited fight than what we see today.

One wonders what Marshal Kutusov would make of the current mess.

That you're too much of a bitch to even @ me would probably be one of the first of Marshall Kutuzov's thoughts, the second being you're trying to cite him without even knowing how to spell his name would be a very funny second.
 

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