Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
In terms of out of control spending, Aid to Ukraine is almost the least of our concerns. I don’t why people throw a bitch fit about that when stuff like Welfare absolutely dwarfs it.
In terms of out of control spending, Aid to Ukraine is almost the least of our concerns. I don’t why people throw a bitch fit about that when stuff like Welfare absolutely dwarfs it.
Wellfare is spent on Americans. Foreign aid is not.In terms of out of control spending, Aid to Ukraine is almost the least of our concerns. I don’t why people throw a bitch fit about that when stuff like Welfare absolutely dwarfs it.
Probably because the welfare is at least (supposedly) spent on American citizens and not foreigners.
If Democrats bribe their electorate with public money to continue supporting them despite all their failures, is it a benefit to America and its national interests, or quite the opposite?Wellfare is spent on Americans. Foreign aid is not.
It's more of a bennefit than giving aid to other nations. Why should we care if Iran and Israel get into a tiff. Why should we care about a non NATO nation getting invaded. If conservatives are too stupid they want to waste money on foreign adventures and not give anything to Americans. Then the liberals will be the better choice for the common man. Yes they will waste money on foreign adventures, but they will at least get something out of it. Not giving "gibs" is stupid, avoiding it is dumb. People will act in their interest if it's not in the interest of people to vote conservative they want no ammount of chest beating about the virtues of fiscal conservatism, or worshipping the free market will change that.If Democrats bribe their electorate with public money to continue supporting them despite all their failures, is it a benefit to America and its national interests, or quite the opposite?
No, no. I mean Russians themselves were the ones who gave her that epithet and continued using it. Non-Russians using it is understandable.
Well that aide to Ukraine has resulted in the verified loss of 50% of all operable Russian heavy armor.
Seems like great return on investment to me.
It's not 18th century anymore, an ocean isn't enough to get away with isolationism.It's more of a bennefit than giving aid to other nations. Why should we care if Iran and Israel get into a tiff.
Because one of NATO's main rivals is going on a open militant landgrab in Europe. Wilful blindness to everything happening just outside NATO member borders is not within NATO articles for a reason.Why should we care about a non NATO nation getting invaded.
You are giving plenty to Americans. And unfortunately for you, a lot of it to bribe them to vote Democrat. It is an interesting question if that's in fact better for the country than using the money to build a pyramid on the Moon or something like that would be.If conservatives are too stupid they want to waste money on foreign adventures and not give anything to Americans.
Have you considered that, say, small business owners and their families are GOP electorate?Then the liberals will be the better choice for the common man. Yes they will waste money on foreign adventures, but they will at least get something out of it. Not giving "gibs" is stupid, avoiding it is dumb. People will act in their interest if it's not in the interest of people to vote conservative they want no ammount of chest beating about the virtues of fiscal conservatism, or worshipping the free market will change that.
The more businesses go bankrupt the more gibs the people will want and the less tax revenue you will have to give them out.Populists could at least understand that, but the neo cucks in the uniparty like giving gibs to bussiness and helping the MIC by getting involved in foreign entanglements.
Personally, I think it's time to finally address the Kurile's, South Ossetia, and Konigsberg/Kaliningrad.More needs to be wreaked if Ukraine wants to win this war,
That said I think were at the point where victory is possible for them.
In terms of out of control spending, Aid to Ukraine is almost the least of our concerns. I don’t why people throw a bitch fit about that when stuff like Welfare absolutely dwarfs it.
You seem to be fundamentally misunderstanding what a bankrupcy actually meansDepends on bailout for who and for what. If some industry of strategic significance for national interests is going bankrupt, like, say, if Boeing was to go bankrupt, that's the textbook argument case for a bailout.
Whataboutism of the type 1 (strawman) variety.In terms of out of control spending, Aid to Ukraine is almost the least of our concerns. I don’t why people throw a bitch fit about that when stuff like Welfare absolutely dwarfs it.
seriously? you calling me a leftist? just wow.Because
Idunno, i for one think having many, many elements of such a large corporation being sold off to different bidders would do a pretty damn good job of stopping production of most of its products for a long time at least. But if you want to be a smartass about it, that speaks of how much of a clue you have about this stuff.You seem to be fundamentally misunderstanding what a bankrupcy actually means
It does not mean "we stop producing that good"
If Boeing went bankrupt, it is because of gross mismanagement. giving it more tax money is just going to get pissed away on bonuses to the execs (just like banks bailout was).
If Boeing went bankrupt, all the factories it has will continue producing all the goods. Just under new ownership, as they are sold off to other companies who can manage it better
1. there are multiple tiers of bankrupcy. Usually it results in restructuring rather than selling off pieces piecemealIdunno, i for one think having many, many elements of such a large corporation being sold off to different bidders would do a pretty damn good job of stopping production of most of its products for a long time at least. But if you want to be a smartass about it, that speaks of how much of a clue you have about this stuff.
seriously? you calling me a leftist? just wow.
Heh. the leftists are calling me a nazi because I am not anti-white.
Now the right wingers are calling me a leftist for not wanting my money stolen for foreign aid.
So most of the territory makes sense. But I have a question about Kaliningrad? How is it illegal? I mean the majority is Russian. That land has either been Russian or German. The Germans do not want it that would just be reopening one of the reasons for ww2 there would then be a desire for a land corridor, since that city would be surrounded with polish territory. Poland would be the easiest to take it from a map based standpoint but what is polands claim to that territory they neither historically owned, nor have they a majority ethnic population there.Trying to make people pick between supporting both the US Right and supporting Ukraine are wonderful little examples of why the Left have been able to successfully utilize the Russia-gate to the point some foolish conservatives turned it a near truth with how much they want to let Russia fuck over Ukraine, and blame the conflict for problems that started years, or decades, before they were born.
The KGB/FSB were getting good return on all the Leftist academics, and their appeals to 'trad-conservatism/machoness' under Putin, up until they actually began the invasion of Ukraine.
Personally, I think it's time to finally address the Kurile's, South Ossetia, and Konigsberg/Kaliningrad.
Russia needs to be made to give up all the illegal taken lands it's tried to claim since WW2 and the fall of the USSR.
Russia should not be invaded, but it should not be allowed to keep it's illegally occupied areas, and it needs to be a lesson to the Russian people themselves about how the world isn't going to destroy them wholesale, but also won't let them keep other nations lands out of fear anymore.
And frankly if the West were to threaten Russia with using Letters of Marque against their assets in international waters if they don't, it will show the west is serious, without escalating to anything other than an older form of proxy warfare.
Never forget, George Washington's homegrown navy started out mostly as local pirates and foreigner sympathetic to his cause; we'd just be returning to tradition, as it were.
Context. We are currently having an argument about itReading comprehension much? I never said anything about whether aid for Ukraine is good or bad, nor did I say that "if one argues for X, he must be Y". I only explained why some on the Left oppose aiding Ukraine against Russia.
Context. We are currently having an argument about it
So it seemed like you are accusing the people here in this thread opposing foreign aid, instead of in general.
But fine. thanks for clarifying that you do not mean us.
Actually, out of curiosity.
Who are the democrats opposing the financial aid to ukraine?