Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

Buba

Buba

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Typical septic tanks are not very sturdy. And at the depicted thickness - I'd guess that they are proof against pistols and intermediate rounds and smaller artillery fragments. I'd not expect them to withstand rifle bullets.

Rain culverts - as these often are burried at shallow depth under roads - actually may be more resistant than septic tanks which are not expected to "work" but to stay "static" (I lack engineering terminology here).
 
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WolfBear

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Now you can conquer the Donbass in the Kaiserreich video game lol:

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Kaiserreich team is doing a Russian rework. Russia in Kaiserreich is normally an autocratic remnant of the Russian Empire and you can have a crisis around Donbas that escalates into a war with Germany, including a minigame in Donbas; they planned it before the war started.
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Husky_Khan

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Batrix2070 said:
The target is much further south of the city. Ironically, it is even farther from the border than Hrubieszów.
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Twenty kilometers or more kilometers away from the Ukrainian border? I guess the CEP of Russian missiles forgot to add a 'k' in front of the 'm.'
 
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lloyd007

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Husky_Khan said:
Twenty kilometers or more kilometers away from the Ukrainian border? I guess the CEP of Russian missiles forgot to add a 'k' in front of the 'm.'
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Again as marduk (not a fan of Russia) is saying, a lot of the hysteria over this is based on one probably fake news AP report and 'unnamed sources' while it could just be a non Russian missile caused grain dryer explosion.
 
Zachowon

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We do not know.
I can really you with confidence it is nit confirmed and we have to wait and find out from Poland.
 
Husky_Khan

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lloyd007 said:
Again as marduk (not a fan of Russia) is saying, a lot of the hysteria over this is based on one probably fake news AP report and 'unnamed sources' while it could just be a non Russian missile caused grain dryer explosion.
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Oh sorry. I was using the situation to make a joke about the CEP of Russian missiles being measured in kilometers, not meters. I guess that wasn't clear. My bad.
 
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Lord Sovereign said:
Hm, well it looks like the gun was jumped so to speak. In some respects it is a pleasant surprise.

Kyiv's going to be giving some grovelling apologies soon enough if they know what's good for them.
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Well accidents happen in War all the time. Even the US has had a few munitions that went haywire from time to time in Nam, Desert Storm, Kosovo, Iraq and Afghanistan. Shit happens.
 
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Atarlost

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To my eyes, it's too soon to definitively blame the missile in Poland on Ukraine because the missile is in both Russian and Ukrainian inventories. There's nothing preventing Russian engineers from bubbaing a booster to get it to Poland if they don't care where in Poland it goes or that it be capable of anything but leaving identifiable wreckage when it gets there.

At this time Ukraine does not have a motive for drawing Poland in. They're already winning handily and involving NATO directly risks escalation in which everyone loses. If actually relevant nations follow Italy in withdrawing support they might have a motive for a false flag attack, but not as things are going now. Russia, however, has every motive to false flag a Ukrainian attack. And as above I believe they have the capability.
 
Megadeath

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Atarlost said:
To my eyes, it's too soon to definitively blame the missile in Poland on Ukraine because the missile is in both Russian and Ukrainian inventories. There's nothing preventing Russian engineers from bubbaing a booster to get it to Poland if they don't care where in Poland it goes or that it be capable of anything but leaving identifiable wreckage when it gets there.

At this time Ukraine does not have a motive for drawing Poland in. They're already winning handily and involving NATO directly risks escalation in which everyone loses. If actually relevant nations follow Italy in withdrawing support they might have a motive for a false flag attack, but not as things are going now. Russia, however, has every motive to false flag a Ukrainian attack. And as above I believe they have the capability.
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I don't think any sane person is suggesting Ukraine intentionally shot a missile at Poland. Technically, it is also possible that it was from a Russian launch. I think by far the most likely story is the official one though; it was a failed intercept by a Ukrainian launched missile, and what goes up must come down.

That the missile was launched by Ukraine, to my mind at least, doesn't make it their fault though. They were trying to defend themselves with what they had. If they weren't forced by Russia into the position it never would have happened.
 
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