Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

WolfBear

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Umm no China does too. The century of humiliation.

Yeah, but China actually has much more to boast about right now. Its huge number of powerful supercomputers, its huge amount of elite science production, et cetera. Russia and the Third World do not.
 

Marduk

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I have a feeling that Russian nationalists have an inferiority complex relative to the West, as does the Third World in general, excluding China.
China competes with them easily.. Perhaps islamists can exceed them in the dissonance between civilizational self-esteem and reality, but no one else.

China has its recent economic boom to use as a crutch in justifying its claims to greatness, but if Xi keeps taking China back into the times of Mao that won't last long.
 

WolfBear

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China competes with them easily.. Perhaps islamists can exceed them in the dissonance between civilizational self-esteem and reality, but no one else.

China has its recent economic boom to use as a crutch in justifying its claims to greatness, but if Xi keeps taking China back into the times of Mao that won't last long.

You mean with totalitarianism plus Zero-COVID?
 

WolfBear

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And the general power grabs impacting economy. And the driving out of foreign business and investments. And the closing down infosphere. And the rising military ideas.

Chinese seem to be obsessed with reconquering Taiwan. Or is it only China's leadership?

Can't completely blame them, though, since they could have easily done this in the early 1950s had North Korea not invaded South Korea back then and thus brought Taiwan under US protection.
 

lloyd007

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The 1941 Crete example is possible. Did they have an air force?
The Chicoms had nothing but human wave tactics and a few Soviet hand me downs in the 1950's and even if you magicked away any outside support, Chiang Kai Shek had withdrawn the cream of the Nat. Chinese military to Taiwan. The Chicoms were infinitely less capable than the Axis 1941.
 

strunkenwhite

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EU-NATO Eastern European members are excluded from this, though. So, this map is not fully accurate.
Yeah, cause that would ruin the super-USA shape. Same reason he bothers to exclude Greenland from the outline. Personally, I think he should have included Mexico because it would be a pretty good Texas shape in the super-USA.
 

Marduk

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I mean if Russia was going to use nukes then whatever China has to say about that doesn't mean shit.
If they plan to use nukes in a way that implies Moscow continuing to exist for more than half an hour afterwards, then what China does afterwards in fact does matter a lot.
 

ATP

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I mean if Russia was going to use nukes then whatever China has to say about that doesn't mean shit.

If they use tactical nukes,then yes,it mean a lot.i think,that @Marduk is right,and that China do not wish for that kind of problems - especially,that they belive in their superiority,and time working for them.
They could be right - Democrats could destroy USA in next two years,or start cyvil war.Maybe both.
In that case,all China need is wait for spoils of war fought by other people.
 

WolfBear

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Any post-Putin Russian government that loses a part of internationally recognized Russian territory, especially one with millions of Russians/Slavs on it, and lets China get away with this conquest (as opposed to responding to this Chinese conquest by nuking China) is likely to see its popularity drop among Russians to near-zero levels. This in itself will very likely compel any post-Putin Russian government to issue a nuclear response in response to any such aggressive Chinese move.

And as someone responded to Anatoly Karlin, even with a pro-Western Russia, China very likely won't want to take the risk of getting nuked in order to acquire some permafrost territory:

 

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