Never said China was smart. 😜
China Wuhan Virus Pandemic
- Thread starter Arch Dornan
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You're missing the obvious point of the bots being run by enemy actors...Oh, I know how they're made. I hang around forums like BlackhatWorld, after all.
But trust me, these weren't bots. Otherwise, you'd have to say everyone on Facebook capable of stringing two sentences together are well-programmed bots to the point of being AIs.
Most likely either China or Russia because both of those countries benefit from spreading lies about US vaccine's and slowing the countries economic recovery.
Yeah, I'm calling bullshit on that.
While I don't doubt that China and Russia would pull something like this off, to say that everyone who were complaining of side-effects are bots from hostile state actors instead of, you know, ordinary people being fucked over by dangerous vaccines? Yeah, that's just fucking stupid.
Airedale260
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No, my argument was actually that there are several reasons against it, among which is the reason there was not already a vaccine available. Treatments like HCQ, while helpful, don’t provide the same kind of protection (namely in stopping the spread as well as dramatically lessening the symptoms and preventing a need for hospitalization.
Honestly, there’s a lot of crap and conflicting messages going out for various reasons. I’m not saying this to defend NIH or CDC, just that when outlandish claims of a shadowy cabal are thrown around, it makes it harder for more reasonable claims like “it came from a lab accident” or “NIH was quietly involved in supporting GOF research” to be taken seriously. Not to mention the less concrete but still possible opinions that one of the reasons China understated the dangers of the virus was to screw over the West (which is debatable but not impossible to dismiss given their past history).
Except the statistic's for vaccine side effects are known.
And they don't support the numbers you are attempting to claim. Which means it has to be either.
A: A concentrated misinformation campaign by almost every medical professional in the world.
Or
B: Misinformation being spread by bots.
Now... Given the absurdity of A, and the fact that B is a known thing and fits the description of what you saw to a tee. Reality is you got tricked by bots.
Sorry, but I think both of you just completely misunderstood me. I wasn’t disputing whether or not it was possible to come up with the sequence for synthetic mRNA two days after obtaining the sequence of a virus. You both just cherry-picked my post and ignored the larger context, and then pretended like I’d insinuated that it was preposterous for them to develop a vaccine in two days. So, let me rephrase that so there’s no confusion.
On December 12th, 2019, Ralph Baric at UNC Chapel Hill signed a material transfer agreement to receive coronavirus vaccine candidates from Moderna that were jointly developed and co-owned by them and NIAID. This can be seen at Page 105 of this document:
On January 9th, 2020, the WHO reported an outbreak in Wuhan.
January 12th, 2020, China published the sequence of what was then called 2019-nCoV.
January 14th, 2020, Moderna reported that they successfully made a vaccine from this sequence.
How is it that they already have what is quite possibly (given the timing and who it was sent to) a COVID-19 vaccine candidate a whole month before the sequence was published by China, and, indeed, before an outbreak was even announced?
Don’t get me wrong. Our technology is pretty great. However, we don’t quite have the ability to preemptively deduce the genome of a virus based on absolutely nothing.
Statistics that cannot be trusted due to politics and other factors influencing organizations and scientists.
The "statistics" you're clinging to are as worthless as used toilet paper: The people and organizations presenting them on the whole no longer have any credibility.
So, yes: I will believe people giving their anecdotes about the vaccines causing health-issues, and I won't be as foolish as to believe that everyone saying they've experienced side-effects are "bots" from a hostile state.
You do need to take into account the amount of people that have taken the vaccine and not said shit because why would they?
Heh, they'd probably not be believed or just be called "bots". 😜
Wrong.
The group's that lost credibility aren't the groups providing this data.
I'm going to make this simple for you.
How many people do you know in real life who have either died or suffered the debilitating after effects that you seem to believe exist after taking the vaccine?
The "groups providing this data" are heavily influenced by politics and bias. I wouldn't trust a word that comes out of their mouths or a single stroke of ink from their pens.
No-one, but that's because I'm an ill introvert with issues that can count the amount of people I know personally, including family, on two hands.
Those that I do know? Including acquaintances I'm not close with and whom I knew from my high-school days? They don't trust the vaccines either.To use a hyperbolic example? Even if one person in like a thousand has side-effects and illnesses as a result of the vaccine, I'm personally unlikely to know of anyone who became ill: But, given how large a population is and how easy it is to connect to one another via social-media like Facebook these days, that number still adds up to the "twenty comments a second" situation I mentioned above.
I know you're hell-bent on defending the vaccines and the people who push out the 'statistics', but we're never going to agree on this.
You see me as someone who's buying into hearsay, paranoia, and conspiracy theories, and I see you as someone who's a fool listening to the words of people and organizations that have been duplicitous at best, much like how the (biased) statistics said that Donald Trump was never going to beat Hilary Clinton or that Brexit was never going to happen... and they did because you never talked to the people situations like these directly affect.
Airedale260
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So, a couple things:
1) “Coronavirus” is actually a generic term, and a fairly broad one at that. It refers to several different viruses, not just what is officially referred to as “SARS-CoV-2”, which is the subject of this thread. It also covers the common cold and influenza, as well as other viruses like SARS and MERS. Some of the agreements spell out specific samples, but others don’t.
In other words, this is a catch-all for a family of viruses. It is not proof that this was COVID info that was handed over.
As a side note, I’d note that the source on this also claims it’s under attack from the Atlantic Council, claiming it’s NATO’s espionage and propaganda arm (spoiler: it isn’t) though that appears a carryover from the Indian website. Again, it pays to check sources and the like.
2) As for Baric? Well, when you have maybe a few hundred or so top virologists in the world, it tends to be a very small community, and yes, they are all going to know one another because of conferences, academic research projects, etc. It’s a very incestuous world at that level. Baric himself is considered one of the top researchers in the field, so…yeah it makes sense that Moderna would come to him for assistance in research that’s right in his wheelhouse.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
I am aware of both of those facts. However, look at the context.
Ralph Baric is an expert specifically in bat SARS and GOF chimeras thereof. He is a colleague of Shi Zhengli and at the very least an acquaintance of both Peter Daszak and Anthony Fauci, and has been referred to during congressional hearings as an expert in gain-of-function research. Many of his papers have to do with SARS-like viruses in specific.
Also, when you say that they’re not referring to SARS-CoV-2 in that material transfer agreement, that would imply that they transferred material to Ralph Baric for a vaccine against a different coronavirus. This raises a question: what other coronaviruses have Moderna been known to have developed vaccines against? Certainly, we can’t know all of their projects because some are confidential trade secrets under NDA. However, we can use logical deduction. You can’t vaccinate against the common cold because it mutates too quickly. Most other coronaviruses occur so seldom in humans, they are of no commercial interest to vaccine makers. That leaves SARS and its variants.
They are almost certainly talking about SARS-CoV-2. A month before China supposedly published the sequence.
Let’s say that this turned into the biggest RICO case in the world. That information - the contents of that material transfer from Moderna to Ralph Baric - would be subpoenaed.
Developing a deadly SARS chimera using federal funds when a federal funding moratorium exists, and then vaccinating against it for commercial profit, is racketeering and bioterrorism.
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Terthna
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Fauci (I refuse to refer to that charlatan as a doctor) deserves to be punished; bare minimum, the man should be barred from practicing medicine in any capacity. However; we all know that unless the system decides it needs to sacrifice him as a scapegoat to protect more powerful individuals, it will protect him to the best of its ability. So in all likelihood, that letter will be ignored.
If there was a big secret evil plan, you think there would be a vaccine ready that everyone would know about? Keep in mind, the big secret evil plan is to "thin the herd," so to speak. I'm just trying to understand the logic at play here.
Megadeath
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I'm also curious about the logic. Like, what's the reasoning behind the "cabal" releasing this virus? "Thinning the herd" doesn't make sense, because it killed a tiny fraction of a fraction of one percent of the world's population. "More control" seems meaningless, since they apparently already control every major government and through them the world's armed forces and police, the medical industry, the IT industry, the media, and basically all the world's money, hiding some kind of tracking microchip in the vaccine runs afoul of the physical limits of technology, and hiding some kind of fertility reducer in a vaccine seems needlessly convoluted given the degree of control they apparently have. (Like, just alter paracetamol, or put it in the water supply, or insecticides to hit the food chain, or the immunisations given to practically all babies, or any of dozens of other easier and less conspicuous options.)
Bigking321
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I'm sure most people don't think they released it on purpose. I'm quite happy with the theory that their safety procedures were shoddy and it got released by negligence.
I'm also certain that once it was loose they have been quite happy trying to take advantage of the crisis.
I'm also certain that once it was loose they have been quite happy trying to take advantage of the crisis.
There's more than one possible Big Secret Evil Plan.
Reducing human population globally to just 500 million?
Or enslaving humanity to Big Pharma out of fear of the Dreaded Killer Virus of Doom?
Or maybe something else entirely.
What if.... what if the virus is overblown, but the vaccines are the real payload?