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"Succeeded"
never sounded more like
"Sent their own economy into a death spiral even before the virus"
China Wuhan Virus Pandemic
- Thread starter Arch Dornan
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never sounded more like
"Sent their own economy into a death spiral even before the virus"
The UK is now on lockdown, emergency powers have been enacted. The thousand year Reich of Boris may have risen? 
In all serousness I didn't see this going any other way; people didn't self police and now we're getting policed.
In all serousness I didn't see this going any other way; people didn't self police and now we're getting policed.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
The UK is now on lockdown, emergency powers have been enacted. The thousand year Reich of Boris may have risen?
In all serousness I didn't see this going any other way; people didn't self police and now we're getting policed.
It's the greatest restriction on freedoms in British history. And the worst part is, it's semi-necessary.
Thanks China, what the actual fuck.
Having just returned from a year in York (Uni) I can confirm that Norferners are 100x nicer, more considerate and in general kinder than the souf.Middle class Southerners didn't think about anyone other than themselves. Shocking Truth.
HAH..what a cunt
The FDA (Fucking Dumb-Asses) are trying to stop/delay the rollout of at-home coronavirus testing.
reason.com
FDA Should Get Out of the Way of At-Home COVID-19 Testing
Private-sector efforts to fill the testing vacuum run afoul of bureaucracy.
reason.com
Well, they probably want to make sure that the things are accurate and reliable.The FDA (Fucking Dumb-Asses) are trying to stop/delay the rollout of at-home coronavirus testing.
FDA Should Get Out of the Way of At-Home COVID-19 Testing
Private-sector efforts to fill the testing vacuum run afoul of bureaucracy.
False positives, in a situation like this, just waste more resources and time in the long run.
Personally I'd feel far more comfortable with at-home tests that have FDA approval, before they are sent to the open market.
Greengrass
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The FDA (Fucking Dumb-Asses) are trying to stop/delay the rollout of at-home coronavirus testing.
FDA Should Get Out of the Way of At-Home COVID-19 Testing
Private-sector efforts to fill the testing vacuum run afoul of bureaucracy.
Note, this isn't an "at home test." This is an "at home sample" that you then ship off to the same places that are currently doing the tests. The test itself is exactly the same testing you would get if you got a sample taken by a doctor. Theoretically, there's nothing wrong with this. Practically,
A) the swab has to go far up your nose. Like, really far. Like, "I didn't know something could go so far up my nose and this feels wrong/dangerous." Doing it at home to either yourself or your family means a higher likelihood of not getting a good sample, leading to a false negative and you going around thinking you don't have coronavirus when you actually do.
B) timing. Having a test kit sent to you in the mail, taking the test, and then sending it back for testing is going to take longer than going somewhere that has test kits and having it done professionally.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
Middle class Southerners didn't think about anyone other than themselves. Shocking Truth.
I'm Middle Class myself, but I'm from the Midlands. The Southerners have not only somewhat screwed us this time, they've embarrassed the entire nation. Was it really that hard just to stay at home?
The problem with this is that the delay costs lives, and FDA is dragging its feet on approval (as always). At worst, the test doesn't work, and we find out in a couple of weeks. That's not all that bad. At best, a single company out of the 4 can put out 30k tests out today, when there are only like 72k tests that have been run in the US right now. Mass testing is why South Korea is getting its economy back on track. Ultimately, weighing the value of an at-home test that isn't FDA approved is something that the free market is actually pretty good at deciding.
South Korea could mass test because of how small it is, and because it has one of the best hospital and healthcare systems in the world. They are also a highly compact nation where testing labs are not very far from anywhere in the country; that is not the case in the US.
We do not have the time, resources, or public trust to waste on sampling/testing measures that are not fully vetted yet.
Delays cost lives yes, but how many more lives will be lost if tests aren't accurate and the public loses trust in the entire testing system?
I get wanting to do something, or have something, NOW. But rushing this sort of thing is likely to make the problems we face WORSE, not better, in the long run.
Duke Nukem
Hail to the king baby
The FDA (Fucking Dumb-Asses) are trying to stop/delay the rollout of at-home coronavirus testing.
FDA Should Get Out of the Way of At-Home COVID-19 Testing
Private-sector efforts to fill the testing vacuum run afoul of bureaucracy.
Why are these people so incompetent , it like they're trying to deliberately sabotage this country
If it's shipped with a big label saying experimental, I don't think it will be a problem. It's not like the test hasn't been tested, but just privately, not by the FDA. The FDA also is known for putting delays in place constantly, trying to ensure perfection instead of good enough. This means that we avoid side effects, but it ignores the unseen costs. Overall, I have confidence in the public that a non-verified test which allows for information is a good thing, not a bad thing.
And we definitely have the resources. The tests already exist, and are being made by a private company. I'm not seeing how this costs people resources. And spending time and resources to expand the ability of the US to give COVID-19 tests is exactly how we should be doing it.
It's not incompetence, it's skewed priorities. A FDA regulator approving something that doesn't work looks bad, but just delaying until they are certain doesn't harm them at all. Although the delay does harm the public, it's not as obvious. For more on this, look up public choice economics.
There's also an element of regulators seeing regulation for regulation's sake as a good in and of itself, and on top of this big companies love, LOVE, regulation, as they have the legal might to deal with it and put in place regulators to write it, while small companies are driven out of business by it.
Duke Nukem
Hail to the king baby
I wouldn't be surprised if the actual number of people infected is around a million or more at this point.
Oddly, the more we've underestimated the number of infections, the less scary the disease is. We know how many outside china have died from this, so the more we have underestimated the number of infections, the more we have overestimated the death rate.
Well this argument is now moot.
According to the White House Presser, home tests should be available sometime this week.
Edit: Why did Facebook have an 'emergency reserve' of over 700k N95 masks stockpiled? They are a social media site and web company, they have little reason to have those at all.
According to the White House Presser, home tests should be available sometime this week.
Edit: Why did Facebook have an 'emergency reserve' of over 700k N95 masks stockpiled? They are a social media site and web company, they have little reason to have those at all.
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Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
I wonder how long it'll take for that to get out to the UK?
Aside from that, it is really good news. When you're able to create and minimize an effective test for this thing, it means you have a good understanding of it which will translate into treatments over time. It feels like every week, no matter the death toll, we're taking another step forward toward getting this thing under control.