Bassoe
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Indigenous superhero avenges past wrongs in Kill Bill-style play
A mild-mannered archaeologist transforms into an instrument of bloody vengeance in this pulpy, Tarantino-like revenge fantasy.
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Indigenous superhero avenges past wrongs in Kill Bill-style play
A mild-mannered archaeologist transforms into an instrument of bloody vengeance in this pulpy, Tarantino-like revenge fantasy.www.theage.com.au
Wow just wow.
They turned her into blue haired killing machine that targets people because their great great great great grandfather may have done something bad.
This is the type of story a 13 old emo writes thinking they great. The fact some made this into a play is just sad and proves how far the stage has fallen.
Indigenous superhero avenges past wrongs in Kill Bill-style play
A mild-mannered archaeologist transforms into an instrument of bloody vengeance in this pulpy, Tarantino-like revenge fantasy.
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Wait... Wait... the main villains plan is to turn all Women of Color into WHITE MEN?!?!?!?!
That is the gayest and dumbest thing I've ever heard of... like what?
This has to be projection...
Or is this what all of you Alt Right people really do want? Some sort of Big Ol' Bleached MGTOW Sausage Fest for Eternity?
And that hero name... Blackie Brown.
Aaaaaand there's pictures of our Big Bold Beautiful Heroine... spoilered... you've been warned.
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Doomsought
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It looks like an F list supervillain that a hero would encounter robbing 3-day-old doughnuts from a convenience store on their first outing.
Indigenous superhero avenges past wrongs in Kill Bill-style play
A mild-mannered archaeologist transforms into an instrument of bloody vengeance in this pulpy, Tarantino-like revenge fantasy.
"GIBMEDAT, OR I WILL KILL YOU!!1!"
Yeaaahhh, if that's how they want to settle things, they will only convince people to finish the job their ancestors started.
I'd like to note this article was made three years ago.
I'm going to watch Wheel of Time once I'm back from work. Looking at the first critical customer reviews on Amazon I expect it to take a giant shit on the books, and expect myself to be enraged and disappointed.
Link to the reviews.
Link to the reviews.
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LindyAF
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Okay that has to be a parody or something.
Is it Lindy?
Using Wikipedia citation rules we can safely assume that White Males on the Right Wing now want all Women of Color to become White Men. Refer to the PUBLISHED citation above.
Any OPINIONS to the contrary can be safely dismissed as unsourced and anecdotal. 🤷♀️
Okay, I'm going to write down my thoughts on first episode of the Wheel of Time as I watch it.
Already the intro narration by Moraine is all kinds of wrong, going on about how men selfishly destroyed the world (hint: she knows they didn't, she's fully aware it was a last-ditch effort in a global war). She also looks in no way as elegant as she was described in the books or drawn in the graphic novels. She narrates that the Dragon has been reborn and he must be found. Oh, and apparently they don't know whether he's been reborn as a boy or girl...
We switch to a random scene where four red Ajah on horseback looking like Amazons chase down a male channeler who looks as if he's just escaped from the set of Mad Max 4. They are led by Liandrin (which I know because Amazon tends to show who is on screen, not because we are in any way, shape or form introduced to her name). Liandrin causes a cliff to collapse to stop him from escaping - a feat rather unlikely to begin with for any female Aes Sedai with an angre'al's aid, given that Earth and Fire are elements in which the male half of the source is strongest.
She then goes on a rant about how the power is meant for women, and how if men touch it they make it filthy. Which, even if you've read only the basics of TWoT, is such a braindead statement it leaves me gnashing my teeth already. Women only touch Saidar, the female half of the power. Men cannot touch Saidar, they touch Saidin, which doesn't get tainted by them, but taints them!
They then still the Mad Max extra, which is just him screaming loudly and Liandrin throwing a hand gesture at him. Moraine and tiny Lan watch from the cliffs above. I'll call him tiny Lan since actual Lan was a lighthouse of a man - and actual Lan also was not ethnically Asian. The books made it very clear that what we would take as cultural clues - ie. the borderlands being Japanese in many cultural facets - had nothing to do with ethnicity. That's why the Seanchean, for example, came across as culturally imperial Chinese, had black monarchs - and as heavy Texan accent. And the Aiel were red-haired Irish! These people were distinct, not mixed.
Moraine tells him that wasn't the Dragon Reborn, of course without an explanation.
Then she tells him they'll go to the Two Rivers next. There are rumors of four t'averen (people that change the course of the pattern of events, even if it's limited) there. What a load of bullshit. There can't be rumors like that because nothing has happened to spur them to actually unfold said effects! There haven't been Aes Sedai in the Two Rivers, and nobody has acted as their informant. So, how do these rumors come about, and how did they reach Moraine?!?
I'm four minutes in and already annoyed.
The vista ending the intro is actially really beautiful, as it shows what I can only describe as the ruins of skyscrapers from the Age of Legends twisted into cliffs and overgrown by the ages.
We switch to black Nyneave giving a speech welcoming a young women into adulthood as she receives her braid. Diverse women's circle watch them with smiles on their faces. Oh, and she's now apparently wisdom of all the Two Rivers.
Supposedly the other villages and their wisdoms were swalloed up by those way-too-close mountains...
The young woman is revealed to be Egwene, who... is less pretty than described/drawn, and looks... Pakistani, I guess? She gets thrown into the mountain river in a ritual that most certainly has ended up killing young women before, given the ferocity of the water and narrow rocky passages it bores through. Eventually she gets swept ashore. This is totally something they made up for the show, and it's utterly pointless unless you want them to make a point about how rad the women are. I'm from the countryside. People don't do this shit because we all know how easily one can get hurt, and how important healthy people are for communities that survive on manual labor and agriculture!
Now we're following Tam and Rand leading Bella and the cart down a mountain road - again wrong, since the Two Rivers is adjacent to the mountains, but not in the mountains. The mountains are far enough away from Edmonsfield and the surrounding farmlands that it's a trip of several days to get there, and barely anyone ever goes there to begin with since "it's bad luck". Rand gets spooked by some tumbling rocks, guessing it's wolves, and Tam mumbles "something's been pushing them out of the mountains." Yeah, the icy weather and dearth of game, but I can already see that the delayed spring isn't a thing here. Hey, I mean it's just an integral part of the first book's plot, but what do I know...
Here's a map of the Two Rivers for reference. There are also maps in the books which show a similar setup, even though on a greater scale.
Really starting not to like this, at all.
First shot of Edmonsfield. It's in the mountains, nestled against a cliff. No thatched roofs. Diverse population. By now it's obvious that the show makers really didn't care about anything but some name recognition.
Also, I'm not sure they mention the name even once?
It's warm spring weather, everybody is busy (at least that is accurate), the inn's common room is filled with men and women partying and drinking. This is soooo nothing like the deliberate and well-made build-up of the situation in the books. Matt looks like he is pushing thirty. Remember, these are boys just entering adulthood, which is one great factor why they are so much in over their heads once everything starts going down. And Perrin is... married?!? What the ever-loving fuck is this travesty?!?
Taren Ferry is full of soldiers and mercenaries heading south for a war in Ghealdan, says Perrin playing gossip monger (Padan Fain would do the gossiping in the book, given he was pretty much the only one who had news from the outside, but why stick to logical details), apparently unaware of the geography of his home and Taren Ferry's location at the mouth of the ass end of nowhere, outside the de facto jurisdiction of any kingdom and totally off the path to host, ship or transfer troops anywhere. For those who don't know the lay of the land: there's nothing east, north or closely west to Taren Ferry that would in any way, shape or form make it a rallying point for anything. It's no-mans land, politically speaking.
Egwene returns, to the applause of everyone, and we get a look at Bran al'Vere, the tall, bald and fat inkeep of the Winespring Inn. Only he's not tall, he's slender with thick beard and a head full of hair. Sure, as if getting any detail right matters to this shit stain of a show. Then the girls and women go on to get wasted. As if typical for women in TWoT. Not.
Then it's raining and storming outside, and Lan and Moraine make a great entrance in front of everybody. Everybody falls silent, Moraine stomps inside, ignores Nyneave, and demands rooms and stables from what I suppose in Bran al'Vere's wife, who immediately calls her Moraine Sedai. Because that's what you usually do when the reputation of Aes Sedai hovers somewhere between necessary evil and Satan's brood for much of the common folk world wide (borderlands excluded). Again, no Aes Sedai in the Two Rivers, so nobody would even know she was one in the first place. In the books this was only revealed when she used the power once the trollocs attacked the village, and that was already enough to get some folk into witch hunting mood!
Perrin goes back to his wife - who's also a blacksmith, apparently - and they share an awkward moment. In reality, ie. the books, Perrin is a single young man with shaggy dirty-blond hair who is a blacksmith's apprentice. The smithy in Edmonsfield is run by Haral and Alsbeth Luhan, two pillars of the community. Who apparently don't exist here.
Matt's parents are apparently the token broken couple, with Abell Cauthon being reduced to a philanderer and his mom to an angry drunk, both being neglectful of their younger daughters. Oh wow, how careful and loving this production's to all those characters that have lived in people's imaginations for thirty plus years! /sarc
In canon Abell Cauthon was a respected farmer and tracker/hunter only second to Tam Al'Thor.
Rand and Egwene share some passionate kisses and talk lovey-dovey stuff right out of a CW show that never happened in the books, because of course not.
Moraine and Lan... share a large bath tub? Lan complains it could be warmer, so Moraine uses the power to heat up the water. Certainly a scene this show's entire foundation rests on, one of utmost importance.
Cut to Rand and Egwene post fucking. Yeah, for all of you who only read the books, you read that right. They fucked. Because that's totally in tone with the sexually unsecure virgins that the main Edmonsfield cast at this point would be.
In a short scene reminiscent of a better production (LotR) we see a fade ride into Edmonsfield during the night. The next morning Padan Fain arrives. He know Matt by name. Of course he does... Because Matt is actually a full-blown thief and Padan Fain is his fence. Fuck my life...
Rand and Egwene share another CW moment on a mountain overlooking Edmonsfield, once again shitting all over the setting's established topography. Worse still, Rand accepts that Egwene most likely won't become his wife - which was something he tried to stick to in the books until way after Egwene had entered the White Tower!
Now Nyneave is an orphan girl, as Morain exposits, getting into a pissing match with her. An outsider orphan girl! And she's cleaning some underground pool. And she knows that "listening to the wind" has something to do with the power. Oh, come on!
Nyneave and Egwene are standing on a stone bridge listening to the wind (no stone bridges in or near Edmonsfield in the books). They hear screeching voices in the wind. This isn't how "listening to the wind" works, but what the hell do I know...
Lan finds a bunch of gutted sheep placed like one half of the Yin-Yang sign in the woods.
Tam and Rand return home, there's a light ceremony starting Bel Tine, which is actually rather neatly done with a voice over of Tam about the Wheel of Time, and some bunch about the souls of the ancestors finding their way back to them, which totally is something that was never in the books IIRC. Then the festivities start with a bunch of dancing and merrymaking, until the Trollocs crash the party. Only they are more bare-chested minotaurs rather than the armored shock infantry the books established. The slaughter a load of people,and we cut back to Rand and Tam, whose door is crashed by one trolloc. They fight him together, and Tam shines a bit as a blademaster some twenty years out of training, before getting wounded and Rand stabbing the trolloc from behind with a pitchfork.
Back in Edmonsfield it's pandemonium, and honestly Moraine's entry into fight and her using the One Power are the first scenes that actually impress me.
We see the men running away, mostly, whiel ferocious women pick up the fight.
Perrin ends up killing his wife in the thick of the fighting, supposedly in some kind of blood rage. I hate this.
Moraine gets wounded in the fight. Also not canon. And she destroys the winespring inn. Also. Not. Canon.
The next day Rand and Tam arrive at the village, where Rand looks rather well-rested with his father strapped across Bella' back. Abell Cauthon is once again shown as a useless deadbeat, Perrin carries his dead wife out, and lo and behold, Moraine heals Tam just like this, with the power. No big deal, it only was one in the books.
No reveal of the things Tam said in the books during the night either. You know, those very important revelations about how he's not really his father and where he came from and the like? Nope, nothing of this.
Then more trollocs appear in the way too close mountains, like a mile or so away. Moraine tells the four - Rand, Matt, Egwene and Perrin - that the Dark One is after them, there are no long discussions, and they leave on horseback, just like this.
And the episode ends.
**************
Do I have to state how utterly shit I thought this was? This is a travesty! It's like they kept the bare minimum of similarities to the book, added pointless filler and CW-grade drama, dumbed down stuff that could have easily been explained, ignored the gloomy buildup of the first chapters of the books, and created this jumbled mess of an episode and coated it in faux diversity and feminist overtones that the actual works never slapped you in the face with.
0/5 stars. What a crock of shit!
Already the intro narration by Moraine is all kinds of wrong, going on about how men selfishly destroyed the world (hint: she knows they didn't, she's fully aware it was a last-ditch effort in a global war). She also looks in no way as elegant as she was described in the books or drawn in the graphic novels. She narrates that the Dragon has been reborn and he must be found. Oh, and apparently they don't know whether he's been reborn as a boy or girl...
We switch to a random scene where four red Ajah on horseback looking like Amazons chase down a male channeler who looks as if he's just escaped from the set of Mad Max 4. They are led by Liandrin (which I know because Amazon tends to show who is on screen, not because we are in any way, shape or form introduced to her name). Liandrin causes a cliff to collapse to stop him from escaping - a feat rather unlikely to begin with for any female Aes Sedai with an angre'al's aid, given that Earth and Fire are elements in which the male half of the source is strongest.
She then goes on a rant about how the power is meant for women, and how if men touch it they make it filthy. Which, even if you've read only the basics of TWoT, is such a braindead statement it leaves me gnashing my teeth already. Women only touch Saidar, the female half of the power. Men cannot touch Saidar, they touch Saidin, which doesn't get tainted by them, but taints them!
They then still the Mad Max extra, which is just him screaming loudly and Liandrin throwing a hand gesture at him. Moraine and tiny Lan watch from the cliffs above. I'll call him tiny Lan since actual Lan was a lighthouse of a man - and actual Lan also was not ethnically Asian. The books made it very clear that what we would take as cultural clues - ie. the borderlands being Japanese in many cultural facets - had nothing to do with ethnicity. That's why the Seanchean, for example, came across as culturally imperial Chinese, had black monarchs - and as heavy Texan accent. And the Aiel were red-haired Irish! These people were distinct, not mixed.
Moraine tells him that wasn't the Dragon Reborn, of course without an explanation.
Then she tells him they'll go to the Two Rivers next. There are rumors of four t'averen (people that change the course of the pattern of events, even if it's limited) there. What a load of bullshit. There can't be rumors like that because nothing has happened to spur them to actually unfold said effects! There haven't been Aes Sedai in the Two Rivers, and nobody has acted as their informant. So, how do these rumors come about, and how did they reach Moraine?!?
I'm four minutes in and already annoyed.
The vista ending the intro is actially really beautiful, as it shows what I can only describe as the ruins of skyscrapers from the Age of Legends twisted into cliffs and overgrown by the ages.
We switch to black Nyneave giving a speech welcoming a young women into adulthood as she receives her braid. Diverse women's circle watch them with smiles on their faces. Oh, and she's now apparently wisdom of all the Two Rivers.
Supposedly the other villages and their wisdoms were swalloed up by those way-too-close mountains...The young woman is revealed to be Egwene, who... is less pretty than described/drawn, and looks... Pakistani, I guess? She gets thrown into the mountain river in a ritual that most certainly has ended up killing young women before, given the ferocity of the water and narrow rocky passages it bores through. Eventually she gets swept ashore. This is totally something they made up for the show, and it's utterly pointless unless you want them to make a point about how rad the women are. I'm from the countryside. People don't do this shit because we all know how easily one can get hurt, and how important healthy people are for communities that survive on manual labor and agriculture!
Now we're following Tam and Rand leading Bella and the cart down a mountain road - again wrong, since the Two Rivers is adjacent to the mountains, but not in the mountains. The mountains are far enough away from Edmonsfield and the surrounding farmlands that it's a trip of several days to get there, and barely anyone ever goes there to begin with since "it's bad luck". Rand gets spooked by some tumbling rocks, guessing it's wolves, and Tam mumbles "something's been pushing them out of the mountains." Yeah, the icy weather and dearth of game, but I can already see that the delayed spring isn't a thing here. Hey, I mean it's just an integral part of the first book's plot, but what do I know...
Here's a map of the Two Rivers for reference. There are also maps in the books which show a similar setup, even though on a greater scale.
Really starting not to like this, at all.
First shot of Edmonsfield. It's in the mountains, nestled against a cliff. No thatched roofs. Diverse population. By now it's obvious that the show makers really didn't care about anything but some name recognition.
Also, I'm not sure they mention the name even once?
It's warm spring weather, everybody is busy (at least that is accurate), the inn's common room is filled with men and women partying and drinking. This is soooo nothing like the deliberate and well-made build-up of the situation in the books. Matt looks like he is pushing thirty. Remember, these are boys just entering adulthood, which is one great factor why they are so much in over their heads once everything starts going down. And Perrin is... married?!? What the ever-loving fuck is this travesty?!?
Taren Ferry is full of soldiers and mercenaries heading south for a war in Ghealdan, says Perrin playing gossip monger (Padan Fain would do the gossiping in the book, given he was pretty much the only one who had news from the outside, but why stick to logical details), apparently unaware of the geography of his home and Taren Ferry's location at the mouth of the ass end of nowhere, outside the de facto jurisdiction of any kingdom and totally off the path to host, ship or transfer troops anywhere. For those who don't know the lay of the land: there's nothing east, north or closely west to Taren Ferry that would in any way, shape or form make it a rallying point for anything. It's no-mans land, politically speaking.
Egwene returns, to the applause of everyone, and we get a look at Bran al'Vere, the tall, bald and fat inkeep of the Winespring Inn. Only he's not tall, he's slender with thick beard and a head full of hair. Sure, as if getting any detail right matters to this shit stain of a show. Then the girls and women go on to get wasted. As if typical for women in TWoT. Not.
Then it's raining and storming outside, and Lan and Moraine make a great entrance in front of everybody. Everybody falls silent, Moraine stomps inside, ignores Nyneave, and demands rooms and stables from what I suppose in Bran al'Vere's wife, who immediately calls her Moraine Sedai. Because that's what you usually do when the reputation of Aes Sedai hovers somewhere between necessary evil and Satan's brood for much of the common folk world wide (borderlands excluded). Again, no Aes Sedai in the Two Rivers, so nobody would even know she was one in the first place. In the books this was only revealed when she used the power once the trollocs attacked the village, and that was already enough to get some folk into witch hunting mood!
Perrin goes back to his wife - who's also a blacksmith, apparently - and they share an awkward moment. In reality, ie. the books, Perrin is a single young man with shaggy dirty-blond hair who is a blacksmith's apprentice. The smithy in Edmonsfield is run by Haral and Alsbeth Luhan, two pillars of the community. Who apparently don't exist here.
Matt's parents are apparently the token broken couple, with Abell Cauthon being reduced to a philanderer and his mom to an angry drunk, both being neglectful of their younger daughters. Oh wow, how careful and loving this production's to all those characters that have lived in people's imaginations for thirty plus years! /sarc
In canon Abell Cauthon was a respected farmer and tracker/hunter only second to Tam Al'Thor.
Rand and Egwene share some passionate kisses and talk lovey-dovey stuff right out of a CW show that never happened in the books, because of course not.
Moraine and Lan... share a large bath tub? Lan complains it could be warmer, so Moraine uses the power to heat up the water. Certainly a scene this show's entire foundation rests on, one of utmost importance.
Cut to Rand and Egwene post fucking. Yeah, for all of you who only read the books, you read that right. They fucked. Because that's totally in tone with the sexually unsecure virgins that the main Edmonsfield cast at this point would be.
In a short scene reminiscent of a better production (LotR) we see a fade ride into Edmonsfield during the night. The next morning Padan Fain arrives. He know Matt by name. Of course he does...
Because Matt is actually a full-blown thief and Padan Fain is his fence. Fuck my life...Rand and Egwene share another CW moment on a mountain overlooking Edmonsfield, once again shitting all over the setting's established topography. Worse still, Rand accepts that Egwene most likely won't become his wife - which was something he tried to stick to in the books until way after Egwene had entered the White Tower!
Now Nyneave is an orphan girl, as Morain exposits, getting into a pissing match with her. An outsider orphan girl! And she's cleaning some underground pool. And she knows that "listening to the wind" has something to do with the power. Oh, come on!
Nyneave and Egwene are standing on a stone bridge listening to the wind (no stone bridges in or near Edmonsfield in the books). They hear screeching voices in the wind. This isn't how "listening to the wind" works, but what the hell do I know...
Lan finds a bunch of gutted sheep placed like one half of the Yin-Yang sign in the woods.
Tam and Rand return home, there's a light ceremony starting Bel Tine, which is actually rather neatly done with a voice over of Tam about the Wheel of Time, and some bunch about the souls of the ancestors finding their way back to them, which totally is something that was never in the books IIRC. Then the festivities start with a bunch of dancing and merrymaking, until the Trollocs crash the party. Only they are more bare-chested minotaurs rather than the armored shock infantry the books established. The slaughter a load of people,and we cut back to Rand and Tam, whose door is crashed by one trolloc. They fight him together, and Tam shines a bit as a blademaster some twenty years out of training, before getting wounded and Rand stabbing the trolloc from behind with a pitchfork.
Back in Edmonsfield it's pandemonium, and honestly Moraine's entry into fight and her using the One Power are the first scenes that actually impress me.
We see the men running away, mostly, whiel ferocious women pick up the fight.
Perrin ends up killing his wife in the thick of the fighting, supposedly in some kind of blood rage. I hate this.
Moraine gets wounded in the fight. Also not canon. And she destroys the winespring inn. Also. Not. Canon.
The next day Rand and Tam arrive at the village, where Rand looks rather well-rested with his father strapped across Bella' back. Abell Cauthon is once again shown as a useless deadbeat, Perrin carries his dead wife out, and lo and behold, Moraine heals Tam just like this, with the power. No big deal, it only was one in the books.
No reveal of the things Tam said in the books during the night either. You know, those very important revelations about how he's not really his father and where he came from and the like? Nope, nothing of this.
Then more trollocs appear in the way too close mountains, like a mile or so away. Moraine tells the four - Rand, Matt, Egwene and Perrin - that the Dark One is after them, there are no long discussions, and they leave on horseback, just like this.
And the episode ends.
**************
Do I have to state how utterly shit I thought this was? This is a travesty! It's like they kept the bare minimum of similarities to the book, added pointless filler and CW-grade drama, dumbed down stuff that could have easily been explained, ignored the gloomy buildup of the first chapters of the books, and created this jumbled mess of an episode and coated it in faux diversity and feminist overtones that the actual works never slapped you in the face with.
0/5 stars. What a crock of shit!
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DarthOne
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HANZ GET ZE FLAMMENWAFFER!Okay, I'm going to write down my thoughts on first episode of the Whell of Time as I watch it.
Already the intro narration by Moraine is all kinds of wrong, going on about how men selfishly destroyed the world (hint: she knows they didn't, she's fully aware it was a last-ditch effort in a global war). She also looks in no way as elegant as she was described in the books or drawn in the graphic novels. She narrates that the Dragon has been reborn and he must be found.
We switch to a random scene where 4 red Ajah on horseback looking like Amazons chase down a male channeler who looks as if he's just escaped from the set of Mad Max 4. Liandrin causes a cliff to collapse to stop him from escaping - a feat rather unlikely to begin with for any female Aes Sedai with an angre'al's aid, given that Earth and Fire are elements in which the male half of the source is strongest.
She then goes on a rant about how the power is meant for women, and how if men touch it they make it filthy. Which, even if you've read only the basics of TWoT, is such a braindead statement it leaves me gnashing my teeth already. Women only touch Saidar, the female half of the power. Men cannot touch Saidar, they touch Saidin, which doesn't get tainted by them, but taints them!
They then still the Mad Max extra, which is just him screaming loudly and Liandrin throwing a hand gesture at him. Moraine and tiny Lan watch from the cliffs above. I'll call him tiny Lan since actual Lan was a lighthouse of a man - and actual Lan also was not ethnically Asian. Moraine tells him that wasn't the Dragon Reborn, of course without an explanation.
Then she tells him they'll go to the Two Rivers next. There are rumors of four t'averen (people that change the course of the pattern of events, even if it's limited) there. What a load of bullshit. There can't be rumors like that because nothing has happened to spur them to actually unfold said effects! There haven't been Aes Sedai in the Two Rivers, and nobody has acted as their informant. So, how do these rumors come about, and how did they reach Moraine?!?
I'm four minutes in and already annoyed.
The vista ending the intro is actially really beautiful, as it shows what I can only describe as the ruins of skyscrapers from the Age of Legends twisted into cliffs and overgrown by the ages.
We switch to black Nyneave giving a speech welcoming a young women into adulthood as she receives her braid. Diverse women's circle watch them with smiles on their faces. Oh, and she's now apparently wisdom of all the Two Rivers.
Now we're following Tam and Rand leading Bella and the cart down a mountain road - again wrong, since the Two Rivers is adjacent to the mountains, but not in the mountains. The mountains are far enough away from Edmonsfield and the surrounding farmlands that it's a trip of several days to get there, and barely anyone ever goes there to begin with since "it's bad luck". Rand gets spooked by some tumbling rocks, guessing it's wolves, and Tam mumbles "something's been pushing them out of the mountains." Yeah, the icy weather and dearth of game, but I can already see that the delayed spring isn't a thing here. Hey, I mean it's just an integral part of the first book's plot, but what do I know...
Really starting not to like this, at all.
First shot of Edmonsfield. It's in the mountains, nestled against a cliff. No thatched roofs. Diverse population. By now it's obvious that the show makers really didn't care about anything but some name recognition.
It's warm spring weather, everybody is busy (at least that is accurate), the inn's common room is filled with men and women partying and drinking. This is soooo nothing like the deliberate and well-made build-up of the situation in the books. Matt looks like he is pushing thirty. Remember, these are boys just entering adulthood, which is one great factor why they are so much in over their heads once everything starts going down. And Perrin is... married?!? What the ever-loving fuck is this travesty?!?
Taren Ferry is full of soldiers and mercenaries heading south for a war in Ghealdan, says Perrin playing gossip monger (Padan Fain would do the gossiping in the book, given he was pretty much the only one who had news from the outside, but why stick to logical details), apparently unaware of the geography of his home and Taren Ferry's location at the mouth of the ass end of nowhere, outside the de facto jurisdiction of any kingdom and totally off the path to host, ship or transfer troops anywhere.
Egwene returns, to the applause of everyone, and we get a look at Bran al'Vere, the tall, bald and fat inkeep of the Winespring Inn. Only he's not tall, he's slender with thick beard and a head full of hair. Sure, as if getting any detail right matters to this shit stain of a show. Then the girls and women go on to get wasted. As if typical for women in TWoT. Not.
Then it's raining and storming outside, and Lan and Moraine make a great entrance in front of everybody. Everybody falls silent, Moraine stomps inside, ignores Nyneave, and demands rooms and stables from what I suppose in Bran al'Vere's wife, who immediately calls her Moraine Sedai. Because that's what you usually do when the reputation of Aes Sedai hovers somewhere between necessary evil and Satan's brood for much of the common folk world wide (borderlands excluded). Again, no Aes Sedai in the Two Rivers, so nobody would even know she was one in the first place. In the books this was only revealed when she used the power once the trollocs attacked the village, and that was already enough to get some folk into witch hunting mood!
Perrin goes back to his wife - who's also a blacksmith, apparently - and they share an awkward moment. In reality, ie. the books, Perrin is a single young man with shaggy dirty-blond hair who is a blacksmith's apprentice. The smithy in Edmonsfield is run by Haral and Alsbeth Luhan, two pillars of the community. Who apparently don't exist here.
Mat's parents are apparently the token broken couple, with Abell Cauthon being reduced to a philanderer and his mom to an angry drunk, both being neglectful of their younger daughters. Oh wow, how careful and loving this production's to all those characters that have lived in people's imaginations for thirty plus years! /sarc
Rand and Egwene share some passionate kisses and talk lovey-dovey stuff right out of a CW show that never happened in the books, because of course not.
Moraine and Lan... share a large bath tub? Lan complains it could be warmer, so Moraine uses the power to heat up the water. Certainly a scene this show's entire foundation rests on, one of outmost importance.
Cut to Rand and Egwene post fucking. Yeah, for all of you who only read the books, you read that right. They fucked. Because that's totally in tone with the sexually unsecure virgins that the main Edmonsfield cast at this point would be.
In a short reminiscent of a better production (LotR) we see a fade ride into Edmonsfield during the night. The next morning Padan Fain arrives. He know Matt by name. Of course he does...
Rand and Egwene share another CW moment on a mountain overlooking Edmonsfield, once again shitting all over the setting's established topography. Worse still, Rand accepts that Egwene most likely won't become his wife - which was something he tried to stick to in the books until way after Egwene had entered the White Tower!
Now Nyneave is an orphan girl, as Morain exposits, getting into a pissing match with her. An outsider orphan girl! And she's cleaning some underground pool. And she knows that "listening to the wind" has something to do with the power. Oh, come on!
Nyneave and Egwene are standing on a stone bridge listening to the wind (no stone bridges in or near Edmonsfield in the books). They hear screeching voices in the wind.
Lan finds a bunch of gutted sheep placed like one half of the Yin-Yang sign in the woods.
Tam and Rand return home, there's a light ceremony starting Bel Tine, which is actually rather neatly done with a voice over of Tam about the Wheel of Time, and some bunch about the souls of the ancestors finding their way back to them, which totally is something that was never in the books IIRC. Then the festivities start with a bunch of dancing and merrymaking, until the Trollocs crash the party. Only they are more bare-chested minotaurs rather than the armored shock infantry the books established. The slaughter a load of people,and we cut back to Rand and Tam, whose door is crashed by one trolloc. They fight him together, and Tam shines a bit as a blademaster some twenty years out of training, before getting wounded and Rand stabbing the trolloc from behind with a pitchfork.
Back in Edmonsfield it's pandemonium, and honestly Moraine's entry into fight and her using the One Power are the first scenes that actually impress me.
Perrin ends up killing his wife in the thick of the fighting, supposedly in some kind of blood rage. I hate this.
Moraine gets wounded in the fight. Also not canon. And she destroys the winespring inn. Also. Not. Canon.
The next day Rand and Tam arrive at the village, where Abell Cauthon is once again shown as a useless deadbeat, Perrin carries his dead wife out, and lo and behold, Moraine heals Tam just like this, with the power. No big deal, it only was one in the books. No reveal of the things Tam said in the books during the night either. Then more trollocs appear in the way too close mountains, Moraine tells the four - Rand, Matt, Egwene and Perrin - that the Dark One is after them, there are no long discussions, and they leave on horseback, just like this.
And the episode ends.
**************
Do I have to state how utterly shit I thought this was? This is a travesty! It's like they kept the bare minimum of similarities to the book, added pointless filler and CW-grade drama, dumbed down stuff that could have easily been explained, ignored the gloomy buildup of the first chapters of the books, and created this jumbled mess of an episode and coated it in faux diversity and feminist overtones that the actual works never slapped you in the face with.
0/5 stars. What a crock of shit!
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
I have a question for you guys : should I remove all the movies from my collection of actors and directors who signed the letter defending Roman Polanski?
This includes Harrison Ford (Star Wars and Indiana Jones) and probably more.
Positive ? I gain some space of my 10 terabytes external hard drive (which has only 240 gb left)
Negative? I am sort of very amateurish archivist-collector and I am not sure I should delete them.
This includes Harrison Ford (Star Wars and Indiana Jones) and probably more.
Positive ? I gain some space of my 10 terabytes external hard drive (which has only 240 gb left)
Negative? I am sort of very amateurish archivist-collector and I am not sure I should delete them.
Honesty, just separate the character from the actor. That is what I do. No need to lose good movies you like.
LindyAF
Well-known member
Retaining the movies doesn’t benefit them in any way. If you were to delete and then re-purchase one, than that (in a very roundabout sense) does (although the effect is essentially negligible).
I think that in the current situation it is probably impossible (or at least infeasible) to have totally ethical consumption under neoliberal globalism to borrow a turn of phrase. People should in general try to be more ethical, but slight degrees is not a huge deal.
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
I sailed the high seas to get them so there was no monetary loss if you know what I mean. Does this change your stance or does it remain the same?
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
I REALLY HAVE AN HARD TIME DOING THAT.
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
Ps on a different note, am I the only enjoying the silver lining of companies like Disney barely breaking even with their movies?
Oh I know they still have billions to loose, but them not making ALL the money is deep satisfaction.
Oh I know they still have billions to loose, but them not making ALL the money is deep satisfaction.
LindyAF
Well-known member
Hmmm, so sailing the high seas means that even the (basically negligible) benefit to them is gone. So that’s more ethical.
My stance is a pretty soft one here, so no real change. I think that unless you are over-consuming (e.g. always watching the latest big movie in theaters, having all the streaming subscriptions, etc.), it's mostly a matter of your preference.
That said, if you can't watch them or don't feel comfortable even having them, then don't.
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You know, I've never read the Wheel of Time books. I just looked at how long that series is, and decided that I didn't have time to read it this decade. Fantasy isn't my thing, really.Okay, I'm going to write down my thoughts on first episode of the Whell of Time as I watch it.
Already the intro narration by Moraine is all kinds of wrong, going on about how men selfishly destroyed the world (hint: she knows they didn't, she's fully aware it was a last-ditch effort in a global war). She also looks in no way as elegant as she was described in the books or drawn in the graphic novels. She narrates that the Dragon has been reborn and he must be found.
We switch to a random scene where 4 red Ajah on horseback looking like Amazons chase down a male channeler who looks as if he's just escaped from the set of Mad Max 4. Liandrin causes a cliff to collapse to stop him from escaping - a feat rather unlikely to begin with for any female Aes Sedai with an angre'al's aid, given that Earth and Fire are elements in which the male half of the source is strongest.
She then goes on a rant about how the power is meant for women, and how if men touch it they make it filthy. Which, even if you've read only the basics of TWoT, is such a braindead statement it leaves me gnashing my teeth already. Women only touch Saidar, the female half of the power. Men cannot touch Saidar, they touch Saidin, which doesn't get tainted by them, but taints them!
They then still the Mad Max extra, which is just him screaming loudly and Liandrin throwing a hand gesture at him. Moraine and tiny Lan watch from the cliffs above. I'll call him tiny Lan since actual Lan was a lighthouse of a man - and actual Lan also was not ethnically Asian. Moraine tells him that wasn't the Dragon Reborn, of course without an explanation.
Then she tells him they'll go to the Two Rivers next. There are rumors of four t'averen (people that change the course of the pattern of events, even if it's limited) there. What a load of bullshit. There can't be rumors like that because nothing has happened to spur them to actually unfold said effects! There haven't been Aes Sedai in the Two Rivers, and nobody has acted as their informant. So, how do these rumors come about, and how did they reach Moraine?!?
I'm four minutes in and already annoyed.
The vista ending the intro is actially really beautiful, as it shows what I can only describe as the ruins of skyscrapers from the Age of Legends twisted into cliffs and overgrown by the ages.
We switch to black Nyneave giving a speech welcoming a young women into adulthood as she receives her braid. Diverse women's circle watch them with smiles on their faces. Oh, and she's now apparently wisdom of all the Two Rivers.
Now we're following Tam and Rand leading Bella and the cart down a mountain road - again wrong, since the Two Rivers is adjacent to the mountains, but not in the mountains. The mountains are far enough away from Edmonsfield and the surrounding farmlands that it's a trip of several days to get there, and barely anyone ever goes there to begin with since "it's bad luck". Rand gets spooked by some tumbling rocks, guessing it's wolves, and Tam mumbles "something's been pushing them out of the mountains." Yeah, the icy weather and dearth of game, but I can already see that the delayed spring isn't a thing here. Hey, I mean it's just an integral part of the first book's plot, but what do I know...
Really starting not to like this, at all.
First shot of Edmonsfield. It's in the mountains, nestled against a cliff. No thatched roofs. Diverse population. By now it's obvious that the show makers really didn't care about anything but some name recognition.
It's warm spring weather, everybody is busy (at least that is accurate), the inn's common room is filled with men and women partying and drinking. This is soooo nothing like the deliberate and well-made build-up of the situation in the books. Matt looks like he is pushing thirty. Remember, these are boys just entering adulthood, which is one great factor why they are so much in over their heads once everything starts going down. And Perrin is... married?!? What the ever-loving fuck is this travesty?!?
Taren Ferry is full of soldiers and mercenaries heading south for a war in Ghealdan, says Perrin playing gossip monger (Padan Fain would do the gossiping in the book, given he was pretty much the only one who had news from the outside, but why stick to logical details), apparently unaware of the geography of his home and Taren Ferry's location at the mouth of the ass end of nowhere, outside the de facto jurisdiction of any kingdom and totally off the path to host, ship or transfer troops anywhere.
Egwene returns, to the applause of everyone, and we get a look at Bran al'Vere, the tall, bald and fat inkeep of the Winespring Inn. Only he's not tall, he's slender with thick beard and a head full of hair. Sure, as if getting any detail right matters to this shit stain of a show. Then the girls and women go on to get wasted. As if typical for women in TWoT. Not.
Then it's raining and storming outside, and Lan and Moraine make a great entrance in front of everybody. Everybody falls silent, Moraine stomps inside, ignores Nyneave, and demands rooms and stables from what I suppose in Bran al'Vere's wife, who immediately calls her Moraine Sedai. Because that's what you usually do when the reputation of Aes Sedai hovers somewhere between necessary evil and Satan's brood for much of the common folk world wide (borderlands excluded). Again, no Aes Sedai in the Two Rivers, so nobody would even know she was one in the first place. In the books this was only revealed when she used the power once the trollocs attacked the village, and that was already enough to get some folk into witch hunting mood!
Perrin goes back to his wife - who's also a blacksmith, apparently - and they share an awkward moment. In reality, ie. the books, Perrin is a single young man with shaggy dirty-blond hair who is a blacksmith's apprentice. The smithy in Edmonsfield is run by Haral and Alsbeth Luhan, two pillars of the community. Who apparently don't exist here.
Mat's parents are apparently the token broken couple, with Abell Cauthon being reduced to a philanderer and his mom to an angry drunk, both being neglectful of their younger daughters. Oh wow, how careful and loving this production's to all those characters that have lived in people's imaginations for thirty plus years! /sarc
Rand and Egwene share some passionate kisses and talk lovey-dovey stuff right out of a CW show that never happened in the books, because of course not.
Moraine and Lan... share a large bath tub? Lan complains it could be warmer, so Moraine uses the power to heat up the water. Certainly a scene this show's entire foundation rests on, one of utmost importance.
Cut to Rand and Egwene post fucking. Yeah, for all of you who only read the books, you read that right. They fucked. Because that's totally in tone with the sexually unsecure virgins that the main Edmonsfield cast at this point would be.
In a short scene reminiscent of a better production (LotR) we see a fade ride into Edmonsfield during the night. The next morning Padan Fain arrives. He know Matt by name. Of course he does...
Rand and Egwene share another CW moment on a mountain overlooking Edmonsfield, once again shitting all over the setting's established topography. Worse still, Rand accepts that Egwene most likely won't become his wife - which was something he tried to stick to in the books until way after Egwene had entered the White Tower!
Now Nyneave is an orphan girl, as Morain exposits, getting into a pissing match with her. An outsider orphan girl! And she's cleaning some underground pool. And she knows that "listening to the wind" has something to do with the power. Oh, come on!
Nyneave and Egwene are standing on a stone bridge listening to the wind (no stone bridges in or near Edmonsfield in the books). They hear screeching voices in the wind.
Lan finds a bunch of gutted sheep placed like one half of the Yin-Yang sign in the woods.
Tam and Rand return home, there's a light ceremony starting Bel Tine, which is actually rather neatly done with a voice over of Tam about the Wheel of Time, and some bunch about the souls of the ancestors finding their way back to them, which totally is something that was never in the books IIRC. Then the festivities start with a bunch of dancing and merrymaking, until the Trollocs crash the party. Only they are more bare-chested minotaurs rather than the armored shock infantry the books established. The slaughter a load of people,and we cut back to Rand and Tam, whose door is crashed by one trolloc. They fight him together, and Tam shines a bit as a blademaster some twenty years out of training, before getting wounded and Rand stabbing the trolloc from behind with a pitchfork.
Back in Edmonsfield it's pandemonium, and honestly Moraine's entry into fight and her using the One Power are the first scenes that actually impress me.
Perrin ends up killing his wife in the thick of the fighting, supposedly in some kind of blood rage. I hate this.
Moraine gets wounded in the fight. Also not canon. And she destroys the winespring inn. Also. Not. Canon.
The next day Rand and Tam arrive at the village, where Abell Cauthon is once again shown as a useless deadbeat, Perrin carries his dead wife out, and lo and behold, Moraine heals Tam just like this, with the power. No big deal, it only was one in the books. No reveal of the things Tam said in the books during the night either. Then more trollocs appear in the way too close mountains, Moraine tells the four - Rand, Matt, Egwene and Perrin - that the Dark One is after them, there are no long discussions, and they leave on horseback, just like this.
And the episode ends.
**************
Do I have to state how utterly shit I thought this was? This is a travesty! It's like they kept the bare minimum of similarities to the book, added pointless filler and CW-grade drama, dumbed down stuff that could have easily been explained, ignored the gloomy buildup of the first chapters of the books, and created this jumbled mess of an episode and coated it in faux diversity and feminist overtones that the actual works never slapped you in the face with.
0/5 stars. What a crock of shit!
But somehow, this disgusts me on a level that's hard to express. It's like reading about a bunch of squatters who shacked up in a church for a week, and now that church has to be condemned. It's like watching someone paper over a baroque masterpiece of a mural to make room for a display of critical postmodern discoursive fingerpainting.
Any book needs a little bit of work to adapt it to the silver screen, but this wasn't a good faith attempt to adapt the Wheel of Time. This is just some shithead trying to show up Robert Jordan, intentionally or not, and making a goddamn fool of himself.
prinCZess
Warrior, Writer, Performer, Perv
So, the whole thing reads like a travesty of bullshittery, Perrin being married perhaps most egregious to my own self because I recall doing a little bit of swooning over his fictional behind, but...
Like...Big Wut. Capitalized WUT with added wut-sauce and a wut-infused water to wash it down. An orgy of wut.
For better or worse, unresolved sexual tension was pretty big plot-and-drama point in the books. Jordan loved him some extended drama and painstaking bullshitting about the whole male-female dynamic in grand metaphor and interpersonal bullshit between Rand and others...And the show-writers just have 'em bang. It's...juvenile.
It's been many years since I read the first four or so WoT books, but...uh...Wut?
Like...Big Wut. Capitalized WUT with added wut-sauce and a wut-infused water to wash it down. An orgy of wut.
For better or worse, unresolved sexual tension was pretty big plot-and-drama point in the books. Jordan loved him some extended drama and painstaking bullshitting about the whole male-female dynamic in grand metaphor and interpersonal bullshit between Rand and others...And the show-writers just have 'em bang. It's...juvenile.
Simonbob
Well-known member
That's the kind of person who runs Hollywood.