"Woke" Franchises

gral

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Also the fact he's not a member of law enforcement/military but some sort of civilian Robin Hood style vigilante... it's almost eye roll inducing. But it would be less so I guess I feel if he wasn't fabulously gay as well... and Argentinian on top of that. I don't think there is a Gay Robin Hood Argentinian/LatinoLatinx stereotype but I feel like that it could still seem cliche? :unsure: :p

The 'Argentinian Robin Hood' thing may be because of the 'La Casa de Papel' series. As for him being gay, many Brazilians wouldn't be surprised by that - he's Argentinian after all...
 

GoldRanger

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IIRC vaccinations of Palestinians in israel & the occupied Palestinian territories has been pretty slow going. The israelis argue that's because the Palestinians don't trust the israeli vaccine & prefer the Russian one, but regardless of the cause the joke they're making here is hardly baseless.

The Palestinian territories have their own government, the Palestinian Authority, that is solely responsible for the health of its citizens according to the Oslo Accords, and have even recently independently negotiated for the Russian Sputnik vaccine. Israel has nothing to do with any of this, vaccination of Palestinians without Israeli citizenship it is not in Israel's jurisdiction.

Don't really like smearing jokes, especially ones based in reality, as "antisemitic" or "racist."
The joke was pure libel, it wasn't based in reality in the slightest, a straight up lie.

And Gina Carano's statement wasn't antisemitic.
 

LindyAF

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The Palestinian territories have their own government, the Palestinian Authority, that is solely responsible for the health of its citizens according to the Oslo Accords, and have even recently independently negotiated for the Russian Sputnik vaccine. Israel has nothing to do with any of this, vaccination of Palestinians without Israeli citizenship it is not in Israel's jurisdiction.

My understanding is that israel controls shipments into and out of the West Bank and Gaza. Palestine is very clearly not a sovereign country, and pretending that it is when it suits you is ridiculous.

The joke was pure libel, it wasn't based in reality in the slightest, a straight up lie.

Israel is impeding shipments of the Russian Sputnik vaccine to Gaza, as reported by the associated press and the times of israel.

And Gina Carano's statement wasn't antisemitic.

I agree it wasn't, but we can critique SNL for falsely accusing someone else of "antisemitism." Without engaging in the same behavior.
 

Doomsought

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Israel is impeding shipments of the Russian Sputnik vaccine to Gaza, as reported by the associated press and the times of israel.
I think the only resaon they sent the shipment is for the express purpose of having it blocked by Israel, given they didn't bother to tell Israel of the incoming shipment. It was also only 2000 doses. The entire shipment is an antisemitic propaganda stunt.
 

LindyAF

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I think the only resaon they sent the shipment is for the express purpose of having it blocked by Israel, given they didn't bother to tell Israel of the incoming shipment. It was also only 2000 doses. The entire shipment is an antisemitic propaganda stunt.

Did you both to read either article linked? Because both articles say they did tell them about a shipment of 1000 doses and that the issue was being debated by Israel at the time of the articles. The PA also only had 10,000 doses at the time of the article, so this is a pretty significant fraction of their supply.
 

GoldRanger

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My understanding is that israel controls shipments into and out of the West Bank and Gaza. Palestine is very clearly not a sovereign country, and pretending that it is when it suits you is ridiculous.

Your understanding is wrong.

1. A portion of Gaza's border is controlled by Egypt.

2. By this definition the Vatican and other wholly surrounded countries are not sovereign, which is ridiculous.

3. This is the most important one, so pay attention: we are not discussing semantics here, but whether Israel has any responsibility to vaccinate in the Palestinian territories, even though they are self-governed and are not Israeli citizens. The answer is, legally and morally, a resounding NO. Moreover, Israeli citizens aren't even legally allowed in area A of the Palestinian authority, including the IDF by the way.

The question of control over their borders, in this context, is only relevant if Israel is blocking shipments of vaccines that the PA negotiated for and bough to reach the West Bank Palestinian territories. Is it doing that? NO.

Israel is impeding shipments of the Russian Sputnik vaccine to Gaza, as reported by the associated press and the times of israel.

Yes, Gaza is basically an enclave controlled by the Palestinian equivalent to ISIS, which is currently under a lawful (as per the UN via the Palmer report) blockade by Israel. Do you seriously think Israel is going to allow uninspected shipments into it?

The PA can easily transfer vaccines to Gaza by either allowing Israel to inspect the shipments, or by bypassing Israel entirely and simply transferring them via Egypt. Of course, if they did that they wouldn't have been able to make it into a media circus, which is unacceptable for the Palestinian propaganda machine.


I agree it wasn't, but we can critique SNL for falsely accusing someone else of "antisemitism." Without engaging in the same behavior.

Except SNL clearly was antisemitic. Unlike Gina Carano. It's not a very difficult concept to grasp.

Even if your arguments here had any merit (they don't), the situation is clearly not anywhere near as bad as the SNL skit tried to portray it as. It's a clear-cut case of anti-semitism.

Edit: Just to hammer the point further, Israel vaccinates all its citizens with zero regard for ethnicity, it even vaccinates foreign workers, which include tens of thousands of non-Israeli Palestinians. Israel has exactly zero issues with racism in its vaccination policy.
 

Cherico

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It's interesting how people ignore the fact that Gaza is also bordering Egypt, which is having very poor relations with Hamas, due to it being offshot of Muslim Brotherhood and harboring groups that seek to undermine Egyptian government.

Most people don't bother learning about the history of the Palastinian people and how much they have back stabbed their arab allies in the past. One of the reasons why more and more of the Arab world is willing to make peace is that every one is sick of their shit.
 

Terthna

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Most people don't bother learning about the history of the Palastinian people and how much they have back stabbed their arab allies in the past. One of the reasons why more and more of the Arab world is willing to make peace is that every one is sick of their shit.
Some people just like using that whole mess as an excuse to treat Jews with contempt.
 

Urabrask Revealed

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Most people don't bother learning about the history of the Palastinian people and how much they have back stabbed their arab allies in the past. One of the reasons why more and more of the Arab world is willing to make peace is that every one is sick of their shit.
Everytime the palestinesians got a helpful hand stretched toward them, they promptly bit it and tried to strangle whoever offered them help. Remember Black September? Jordian offered the Palestinesians to take them in as refugees, and they promptly tried to overthrow the monarchy and take power for themselves. The jordian monarchy won, and the palestinesians were driven out of Jordan.

The palestinesians are the worst of the middle east, and considering the steep competition, that's quite a feat.
 

Terthna

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I have no idea what is and isn't supposed to be offensive anymore. My best guess is everything and nothing; depending on who stands to gain from being offended.
 

Cherico

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I have no idea what is and isn't supposed to be offensive anymore. My best guess is everything and nothing; depending on who stands to gain from being offended.


Terthna social justice is a cult that is always on the look out for offense and where its members constantly look people to destroy. By its nature it will go after any one and every one they can including their own so called friends. This is actually a good thing because the more they do it the more they create the opasition that will destroy them.

Imagine Tertha peole of every race and gender and sexuality all coming together to beat the shit out of these soy boys thats the future.
 

PsihoKekec

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I guess the wokie reaction to media they ruin with wokeness can be summed up as:

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Lord Sovereign

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I guess the wokie reaction to media they ruin with wokeness can be summed up as:

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Pretty much.

Awful thing though is that those making the woke stuff don't care about the money and just want to "send a message" or "start a conversation, because they're fucking zealots brainwashed by a broken education system.

Again, I must ask, why have the Commies been allowed free rein in Academia for the past hundred years?
 

Urabrask Revealed

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Again, I must ask, why have the Commies been allowed free rein in Academia for the past hundred years?
Because McCarthy, bless his missguided soul, gave the scum an excuse to hide behind whenever they were called out for socialist behaviour. Had he not gone and started a witchhunt, we could've identitfied and removed commies, commie-sympathizers, and socialists quietly without anyone able to raise a fuss.
 

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