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Harlock

I should have expected that really
Possible but the Conservatives are apparently trying to hide the immigration terribly at any rate and even that Nigel fellow tried to expose it.

Never mind that if you accept this video by the Sargon fellow who goes on a rant about how the Uk government despite Tories leading it supports BLM and Critical Race theory and not banning it unlike Trump:

I recall Sargon ran against the Tories in the last election without success so I'll certainly take it with a grain of salt.
To my memory there have only been two places where BLM riots resulted in injuries, both were in Labour party controlled cities. But even then there were no shops being smashed, no nights of looting, no burning buildings. It is in the news a lot but their level of actual support is tiny over here. Famously their 'Million man March' last month attracted 179 people. Not 179,000 or even 1,790, just 179.

Boris has condemned demonstrations and was furious about the Churchill statue getting vandalised enough so he brought in a new law protecting monuments so I'd say there is evidence that he is pushing back against these groups. But the situation here is far, far less volatile than America and these groups only have a trace of public support.

There was some sort of act on a tv show supporting BLM, blatantly political on an entertainment show, and it became the most complained about item on British TV ever. BLM and the far left have very little support in the general population despite the publicity.


EDIT- Oh sorry, the immigration thing Nigel is concerned with is the illegal type, and that is mostly due to the French being either overwhelmed on the coast, or just not caring if those migrants get across the channel to become someone elses problem. That has spiked and last I heard they were sending in the Navy to handle it
 
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LifeisTiresome

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EDIT- Oh sorry, the immigration thing Nigel is concerned with is the illegal type, and that is mostly due to the French being either overwhelmed on the coast, or just not caring if those migrants get across the channel to become someone elses problem. That has spiked and last I heard they were sending in the Navy to handle it
Exactly. Thats what I'm talking about. Immigration has increased and the UK government does nothing to really stop it according to some commentators and even try and hide it.

I recall Sargon ran against the Tories in the last election without success so I'll certainly take it with a grain of salt.
If you watch the video, his ranting is about how Critical Race Theory and BLM nonsense is in parliament and MPs have to take anti-racism training and anti-biased training and the UK government doesn't ban this and instead accepts it.

Thats the point of Sargon and the Op Video. The Conservative party does barely anything against leftists. Only they either talk a lot or they do just the bare minimum to seem to be doing something.
 
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Aldarion

Neoreactionary Monarchist
Exactly. Thats what I'm talking about. Immigration has increased and the UK government does nothing to really stop it according to some commentators and even try and hide it.

If you watch the video, his ranting is about how Critical Race Theory and BLM nonsense is in parliament and MPs have to take anti-racism training and anti-biased training and the UK government doesn't ban this and instead accepts it.

Thats the point of Sargon and the Op Video. The Conservative party does barely anything against leftists. Only they either talk a lot or they do just the bare minimum to seem to be doing something.

Problem is that the Left has pushed its narrative, and successfuly. They have defined human rights (which are part hoax, part BS, and only a minor part actually true/sane/acceptable), they have defined the entire political discourse. As long as right plays by left's rules of not offending X/Y/Q and is afraid of being called Fascist/Nazi/etc., it cannot win.

World War II (and I) was the best thing which happened to the Left.
 

Harlock

I should have expected that really
Exactly. Thats what I'm talking about. Immigration has increased and the UK government does nothing to really stop it according to some commentators and even try and hide it.
Well to be fair that number is 4,000 since January and 1,000 of them are already on the way back. Now 4,000 is a big number but when you look at numbers heading into Europe itself or across from Mexico to the US (Up to a million some years!) It is an issue but in perspective these crossings are tiny.
But yeah, they are tightening up the borders and deportions, there are limits under the current EU law but thats changing next year. The current government has been clear on tightening these laws and stopping immigration except for useful jobs. They are definitely pushing for harder rules and enforcement.

If you watch the video, his ranting is about how Critical Race Theory and BLM nonsense is in parliament and MPs have to take anti-racism training and anti-biased training and the UK government doesn't ban this and instead accepts it.
I'd say he's missing the distinction between BLM and anti-racism. The latter has lots of support but the former only has support of the Corbyn dregs, the same remnants who support climate change protestors and who are sidelined by their own party.
I haven't seen any open support but I have seen pushback. It was widely reported BLM has a Marxist agenda in the UK media and that really killed it. Far as I can see the government hasn't supported the group, just anti racism while denying their core idea of societal racism or whatever it is. They are an annoyance rather than a threat as they are small fry outside the US.
No idea on the training thing but having sat through dozens of govt sponsored training on health and safety or data protection I can guarantee it'll be as useful as a chocolate tea pot

Thats the point of Sargon and the Op Video. The Conservative party does barely anything against leftists. Only they either talk a lot or they do just the bare minimum to seem to be doing something.
I disagree, in the last election they absolutely crushed the far left, the worst defeat they have ever had. The new left wing leader is a centrist who supports harsher immigration laws and tougher law and order :p
They are also hitting the BBC hard, they have a new director who has no time for the far left and the Conservatives are going after their funding with a purpose.

Left and right are different here, the UK far left is way to the left of anything stateside including Antifa. They include genuine Stalinists who were indoctrinated by Soviets during the Cold War, they aren't hidden like in the US they are open about it and have positions of power and influence. The centre left isn't an issue as they still broadly support the current capitalist with a bit of social infrastructure that everyone is comfortable with.

It is broadly a different system to the US, there is less lobbying, less political power due to wealth, donations to political parties are extremely restricted further reducing the influence of individuals or business of parties, and the judiciary is apolitical. All these things do a good job of keeping extremists with agendas out of mainstream politics. Not perfect, but it does help.

America has been pushed to extremes where partisanship means no compromise and everything is a battle. Over here the far left just doesn't have that power and the majority of those on the left are comfortably centrist and no real threat.
 

Harlock

I should have expected that really
Guy has got a point, I mean if this is a Chinese bioweapon I wouldn't take any chances on it.

The issue isn't what action he takes, it is whether he stops when the excuse has gone. When the emergency becomes commonplace, thats when you can make the call
 

Lord Sovereign

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Guy has got a point, I mean if this is a Chinese bioweapon I wouldn't take any chances on it.

If it's a Chinese bioweapon, then it's a bit shit. It cuts a swathe through the elderly but pretty much leaves the men of fighting age untouched. More likely it's probably just a virus they were studying that escaped containment because the Chinese are incompetent Communists. Either way, Wuhan Sars's behaviour so far absolutely does not warrant such draconian restrictions.
 
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Harlock

I should have expected that really
If it's a Chinese bioweapon, then it's a bit shit. It's cuts a swathe through the elderly but pretty much leaves the men of fighting age untouched. More likely it's probably just a virus they were studying that escaped containment because the Chinese are incompetent Communists. Either way, Wuhan Sars's behaviour so far absolutely does not warrant such draconian restrictions.
Oh yeah almost certainly, though I'm always going to be cautious of something we don't understand 100% yet :)
 

Senor Hortler

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If it's a chinese bioweapon then didn't China attack multiple members of NATO? If so then we have distinctly larger issues.
 

Bacle

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If it's a Chinese bioweapon, then it's a bit shit. It's cuts a swathe through the elderly but pretty much leaves the men of fighting age untouched. More likely it's probably just a virus they were studying that escaped containment because the Chinese are incompetent Communists. Either way, Wuhan Sars's behaviour so far absolutely does not warrant such draconian restrictions.
Oh yeah almost certainly, though I'm always going to be cautious of something we don't understand 100% yet :)
It completely depends on the long term affects on people who had it, as to how damaging the bug itself is.

Also, a bioweapon need not be terribly lethal to be effective. Consider:
1) It hit the elderly, who are usually more conservative voters, thus costing Trump some votes and causing us to shut the country down when we had a great economy.
2) It drove us to effectively abandon many civil liberties, possibly for good, which can have long term consequences for our republic.
3) It is partially balkanizing the US in mask-mandate and non-mask-mandate states, while our own issue with not being able to trust the CDCs numbers drove another wedge in.
4) It happened right after we took China out back and whipped them in a trade deal.
5) It forced the US to effectively pause our economy, and has driven many small businesses, that might compete with mega-corps who are friendly to China, out of business.
6) It hurt our military readiness, as evidenced by the whole USS Reagan crapshoot.

Maybe it was an accident, maybe it was intentional, maybe it was a bit of both. However it's effect has very much been that of both a bioweapon and a terror weapon.

Either way, we need to make the CCP pay for the damage that has happened, preferably via sanctions, tariffs, and blacklisting CCP business fronts for doing anything with USDs.
 

Aldarion

Neoreactionary Monarchist
As has now become evident, Tories are complete piss at conserving our ancient liberties. This is the culmination of seventy years of nanny state, chaps. It'll be interesting to see what comes after it.

Genocide. Nanny state nearly always ends with genocide. And even if not, Western states have their priorities completely reversed. Instead of defending the group and leaving individual alone (which is why states formed in the first place), they are ignoring needs of the group (allowing open borders, mass immigration etc.) while at the same time restricting individual freedoms (Western democracies are rapidly becoming 1984-like police states).
 

ShieldWife

Marchioness
Genocide. Nanny state nearly always ends with genocide. And even if not, Western states have their priorities completely reversed. Instead of defending the group and leaving individual alone (which is why states formed in the first place), they are ignoring needs of the group (allowing open borders, mass immigration etc.) while at the same time restricting individual freedoms (Western democracies are rapidly becoming 1984-like police states).
Well, that is basically the end goal for the left in the West. Turn European nations into multi-ethnic Islamic states, where the traditional native populations are harshly oppressed scapegoated minorities.
 

Lord Sovereign

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Well, that is basically the end goal for the left in the West. Turn European nations into multi-ethnic Islamic states, where the traditional native populations are harshly oppressed scapegoated minorities.

The end goal of the left is a socialist utopia, which they think they can get by tearing everything down and rebuilding atop it. What'll happen, if it gets that far, is the breakup of Yugoslavia on steroids, which would likely be built atop their bones.

These people are idiots first and foremost, and their plans are doomed to long term, abject failure. The only people stupider than them are the big businesses, banks and Neo Liberals who think they can cash in on this, little realising they would ultimately go down with the ship.
 

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