History What are some of your most contraversial takes on history?

Urabrask Revealed

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There are people here in South Africa (young black males, of course) who on learning that they were HIV-infected, abandoned all protection measures because they thought that they now had nothing left to lose.
Sometimes they will quite deliberately try to infect as many other people as possible. "Why must I die alone?"
There are people here in the States that it's actually some kind of a fetish for. California downgraded that from a felony to a misdemeanor, incidentally.
Yet another reason why Commiefornia and South Africa are shitholes. Come to think of it, did the hate crimes against gays increase since that law-change?
 

sillygoose

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Eastern europe was forced to learn the hard way what that shit leads to. This is a reason why I think the entire west will go hardcore traditionalist when all of this shit finally ends.
Only if/when the system collapses and forces it. Society is fundamentally changed thanks to technology to go traditionalist. We'd need a dark age before we'd see a traditionalist situation. Uncle Ted was right.
 

ATP

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But they could infect a lot of gullible young liberal Polish women with HIV, as Polish African anti-racism advocate Simon Mol previously did:


He pressured his female sexual partners not to make him wear a condom because by pressuring him to wear a condom, they would be engaging in racist stereotypes of Africans being all HIV-ridden and/or AIDS-ridden. Turned out that this stereotype was actually correct in his own case, though! :(

He could belive,that there is possibiity of passing HIV on woman and curing himself its way.
Stupid,i knew - but in some african countries,as Mali,children are still sacrifized by wealthy people who belive,that it gave them luck in bussines or politics.
Some people there really belive that they coud gave Hiv to other person and save himself that way.

Well,My polish ancestrors once belived,that illnes could be redirected to dog,do not ask me how,i dunno.It was long ago,but such thinking still exist in Africa.
 

WolfBear

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There are people here in South Africa (young black males, of course) who on learning that they were HIV-infected, abandoned all protection measures because they thought that they now had nothing left to lose.
Sometimes they will quite deliberately try to infect as many other people as possible. "Why must I die alone?"

Ironic considering that HIV can be treated nowadays with proper medication. Not cured, mind you, but still treated relatively well.

There are people here in the States that it's actually some kind of a fetish for. California downgraded that from a felony to a misdemeanor, incidentally.

Yeah, there are even people who purposely seek HIV from their sexual partners; they're known as bugchasers:


Bugchasers really do know how to play Darwin's Game! ;) :D :(
 

Morphic Tide

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Only if/when the system collapses and forces it. Society is fundamentally changed thanks to technology to go traditionalist. We'd need a dark age before we'd see a traditionalist situation. Uncle Ted was right.
Not quite, old traditions cannot be recovered due to technology making them counterproductive all over the place. The thing is that there's absolutely nothing preventing new traditions.

The "Dark Ages" had little in common with pre-Roman life, enormous swaths of the traditions that held to modernity were specifically failed attempts at preserving what was still beneficial of Roman practices.
 

Doomsought

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Here's an incredibly hot take.

Pre-20th century societies and cultures participating in a trade that was deemed acceptable and normal for as long as we've had writing, if not earlier, does not make them evil. Granted, it isn't acceptable today, but the 21st century is a very small slice of history indeed.
Hotter take: when slavery was first invented, it was a morally superior choice to the alternative.

The alternative was genocide.
 

King Krávoka

An infection of Your universe.
Any mass murdering system cannot last for long. Meaning that open mass murder is not the worst thing that can happen to a country. The worst thing to happen to any society is a system that causes a long-term destruction of a system of values... because such a system then produces physical evils that do not stop. And unlike Nazism, which tried to do that and then failed because it was too openly evil, Communism succeeded. Especially once it managed to merge with the liberal democracy.
Dying of lung cancer is NOT better than years of cigarette abuse, nor is liver failure better than a lifetime of alcoholic mischief. These mass murdering systems are the outcome of such a moral decay, as the Prophets' teachings morally decayed into monarchies such as the empires of the Spain and Aztec, the Caliphate, and pre-captivity Israel; and Liberalism morally decayed into communist dictatorships like Nazi Germany, Zimbabwe, and modern Canada.
 

Aldarion

Neoreactionary Monarchist
Dying of lung cancer is NOT better than years of cigarette abuse, nor is liver failure better than a lifetime of alcoholic mischief. These mass murdering systems are the outcome of such a moral decay, as the Prophets' teachings morally decayed into monarchies such as the empires of the Spain and Aztec, the Caliphate, and pre-captivity Israel; and Liberalism morally decayed into communist dictatorships like Nazi Germany, Zimbabwe, and modern Canada.

True to an extent. But since evil system will always end up with mass murder, it is far better for it to show its true colors sooner (e.g. nazism) than later (e.g. liberalism, progressivism). That is what I meant.
 

WolfBear

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"Bug chasing" is not a US specific thing.

Yep. The Bug desire is everywhere, unfortunately.

my controversial take: If European powers and those of European descent spent half as much time building up thier military and economy as they do living in worshiping thier ancestors and lamenting times gone by, they might actually be relevant again.

Frankly, having them breed more--and in a non-dysgenic manner to boot--would be much more important.
 

ATP

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Hotter take: when slavery was first invented, it was a morally superior choice to the alternative.

The alternative was genocide.

Especially,that slaves in those times usually become second - class members of tribe which member buyed them,not die in mines or galleys,like in Rome,or was forever condemned to be slaves,like in USA.
 

Abhorsen

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South Africa is not a shit-hole, we just have some shitty people.
Eh, it's going to shit with how it's run. I got a good friend who knew to get outta there despite loving South Africa and fighting against apartheid, and was talking about how the ANC wasn't working, along with the Boilersuit commies.
 

bintananth

behind a desk
Especially,that slaves in those times usually become second - class members of tribe which member buyed them,not die in mines or galleys,like in Rome,or was forever condemned to be slaves,like in USA.
Umm ... the Romans (and the Greeks before them) almost always used free men to crew their warships. Slaves were neither trusted with military hardware nor trusted on the battlefield and a galley was a very expensive piece of military hardware which required a very skilled crew.
 

ATP

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Umm ... the Romans (and the Greeks before them) almost always used free men to crew their warships. Slaves were neither trusted with military hardware nor trusted on the battlefield and a galley was a very expensive piece of military hardware which required a very skilled crew.

My mistake.Still,roman slaves have far less chances to become romans then slaves in some rtibe members of such tribe.
 

bintananth

behind a desk
My mistake.Still,roman slaves have far less chances to become romans then slaves in some rtibe members of such tribe.
My understaning of slavery in the ancient world:
- you agreed to it in exchange for a whole bunch of up front money and a salary
- you're a POW who chose slavery instead of execution
- your parents sold you into slavery

Or something like that and you could own property and buy your freedom.

That's not how slavery in the US worked. It was illegal for an American slave to own property and/or be literate. Their children were also automatically slaves from the day they were born with no way of ever becoming free except by running away or having a kind master who decided to free them.
 

Lord Sovereign

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That's not how slavery in the US worked. It was illegal for an American slave to own property and/or be literate. Their children were also automatically slaves from the day they were born with no way of ever becoming free except by running away or having a kind master who decided to free them.

Insane thing is, as I understand it that would either be frowned on in Roman society or outright illegal under Roman law. Just goes to show how far off the rails the Southern States had gone.
 

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