Military US Military Is Scared Americans Won't Fight For Globalism

With the insanity of woke politics within the US military, how bad has it spread to other members of NATO?

Well, FWIW, one can argue that the biggest victims of Woke and proto-Woke ideas have actually been non-Western countries:




So, the damage to Western countries here might be less than you think. Eastern Europeans were exposed to proto-Woke Communism for decades and yet they've been subsequently largely "vaccinated" against the new strand of Wokeism. :)
 
Wagner PMC are just Russian and CIS servicemen who got bored of sitting around and decided to sign up for more $$$ in exchange for combat assignments.

That's literally what it is.

Except they actually do shit and don't fuck around like Blackwater.

There's a small unit fighting in Ukraine right now, over in the Donbass. No clue on numbers.
They fuck up like anyone else.

Already they're linked to civilian massacres in Mali fake or not. It's just too easy.
 
It’s a good thing that American PMCs are not subjected to woke politics. I would hate to see how woke politics could have an effect on American PMCs.
 
Yeah. It would be amusing to see woke PMCs engage in a firefight against local insurgents though.

We have seen cases of PMCs going up against local insurgents it typically doesn't go well.

I mean I can think of one empire off the top of my head decided to use a bunch of german mercenaries to put down a rebellion around 1776...it didn't end well for the empire in question.
 
Give it time and the woke politics will come for them in the name of workplace diversity.

Yeah, I mean, the US military has already unfortunately began moving in a Woke direction:


FWIW, I wouldn't mind it if the military read Woke crap but only if they also simultaneously read Based stuff such as Jared Taylor's and American Renaissance's writings. That way, they can compare and contrast to see whose arguments are stronger.
 
Gee, I can't imagine why actual American patriots might be reluctant to fight alongside or beneath people like this. Why, under Milley's tutelage I bet she and others with her qualifications will make General someday soon!
Basically once we get a new president things will change
Yeah, maybe if they pull a reverse-Obama to flush the woke careerist types out by the score and replace them with fire-breathing ultrapatriots. That and avoid the sort of ridiculous foreign entanglements which go nowhere that the neocons/neolibs are aroused by, of course.

Otherwise, I'm not seeing much hope for the US armed forces. I'm an outsider but from what I've observed your trajectory is on track to at best match that of the pre-Spanish Civil War Spanish army (woke and politicized officer corps, increasingly resentful and hard-right enlisted ranks, primed for collapse and civil conflict) or at worst the terminal Western Roman one (the few actual citizens still serving are worthless woke overgrown toddlers, all the real soldiers are illegals serving for amnesty or some such nonsense who have zero loyalty to the US itself - an idea seriously proposed by the neocon Max Boot, BTW - so that the military is effectively hollowed out and useless) by the middle to end of this century, if not sooner. Even setting jabs and ideological purges aside, I can't imagine the Afghanistan disaster and general, constant nation-wide woke bashing of America (as is being aggressively promoted under Biden & the Dems) has been great for morale either.
 
I can tell you that this is actually common after a major conflict we have been in ends and the President isn't liked.
New president and new administration will change things.
A new SecDef can do a lot
 
We have seen cases of PMCs going up against local insurgents it typically doesn't go well.

I mean I can think of one empire off the top of my head decided to use a bunch of german mercenaries to put down a rebellion around 1776...it didn't end well for the empire in question.
Also note that the same Empire also used what was basically a massive PMC (a "trading company") to actually take control of an entire subcontinent before annexing it completely into the greater Empire.
 
Gee, I can't imagine why actual American patriots might be reluctant to fight alongside or beneath people like this. Why, under Milley's tutelage I bet she and others with her qualifications will make General someday soon!

Yeah, maybe if they pull a reverse-Obama to flush the woke careerist types out by the score and replace them with fire-breathing ultrapatriots. That and avoid the sort of ridiculous foreign entanglements which go nowhere that the neocons/neolibs are aroused by, of course.

Otherwise, I'm not seeing much hope for the US armed forces. I'm an outsider but from what I've observed your trajectory is on track to at best match that of the pre-Spanish Civil War Spanish army (woke and politicized officer corps, increasingly resentful and hard-right enlisted ranks, primed for collapse and civil conflict) or at worst the terminal Western Roman one (the few actual citizens still serving are worthless woke overgrown toddlers, all the real soldiers are illegals serving for amnesty or some such nonsense who have zero loyalty to the US itself - an idea seriously proposed by the neocon Max Boot, BTW - so that the military is effectively hollowed out and useless) by the middle to end of this century, if not sooner. Even setting jabs and ideological purges aside, I can't imagine the Afghanistan disaster and general, constant nation-wide woke bashing of America (as is being aggressively promoted under Biden & the Dems) has been great for morale either.
Lets not forget that the US military has a seeming inability to publicly own up to the fact that Veitnam was not a justified war, and neither was Iraq, and that wars end at the negotiating table, not on the battlefield. Yet they keep pretending that holding onto the illusion of 'victory on the field' in those fights means anything.

Doesn't matter if you've never been beaten in the field (itself a lie for anyone who knows what the Little Bighorn was or what happened at Bataan) if the true realm of warfare is in the socio-economic-political realm.

The pride and ego of US armed services, and their institutional inability to own up to their fuck ups and the lives that have been wasted over the decades in ill-advise foreign adventures, is another part of why fewer and fewer people want to join. When people know the brass and leadership are untrustworthy fools or grifters, no one is really going to want to swear to die for them.
 
Lets not forget that the US military has a seeming inability to publicly own up to the fact that Veitnam was not a justified war, and neither was Iraq, and that wars end at the negotiating table, not on the battlefield. Yet they keep pretending that holding onto the illusion of 'victory on the field' in those fights means anything.
Meh, that's just an illustration of your personal political views many others would disagree with, there is no particular reason why a non-partisan institution should get in line with them.
The pride and ego of US armed services, and their institutional inability to own up to their fuck ups and the lives that have been wasted over the decades in ill-advise foreign adventures, is another part of why fewer and fewer people want to join. When people know the brass and leadership are untrustworthy fools or grifters, no one is really going to want to swear to die for them.
Ideological navel gazing is not the job of any military. Leave that to the people giving them orders, and rest assured that they probably won't share your particular views on this in the process anyway.
The only point of real military significance here is that next time foreign adventures are considered, the military should demand the mission parameters and objectives to be defined and clarified, preferably before they are in the middle of the thing, but at least to be clear and defined at some point in general (looking at you Afghanistan).
 
Meh, that's just an illustration of your personal political views many others would disagree with, there is no particular reason why a non-partisan institution should get in line with them.

Ideological navel gazing is not the job of any military. Leave that to the people giving them orders, and rest assured that they probably won't share your particular views on this in the process anyway.
And yet there is a recruiting crisis precisely because the views I posted are more and more widespread in the US populace, and because the US civil and military leadership have stuck their heads in the sand on these issues for years.

But hey, if you want to the US military to go on pretending it's own shit doesn't stink, and pretending the recruiting crisis isn't mostly self-inflicted after what happened in Iraq and previously in Vietnam, then you'd fit in very well in DC/the Pentagon these days.
 
And yet there is a recruiting crisis precisely because the views I posted are more and more widespread in the US populace, and because the US civil and military leadership have stuck their heads in the sand on these issues for years.
Do you have any polls about that, and do they specifically target the favorable military recruit demographics? As in the military shouldn't care what middle aged women think, they aren't going to join the military in any worthwhile amount anyway.
And how are these views getting more widespread, who is spreading them and what can the military do about it?
But hey, if you want to the US military to go on pretending it's own shit doesn't stink, and pretending the recruiting crisis isn't mostly self-inflicted after what happened in Iraq and previously in Vietnam, then you'd fit in very well in DC/the Pentagon these days.
A lot of the problems come from above the military, including the ideological ones you are complaining about, and it's not like this kind of guiltmongering ever made an organization sound cool and make people want to join, if you consider the fates of all the SJW infiltrated organizations made to wallow in their historical guilt real and imagined, so your solution sounds more like a way to make the problem worse if anything.
Nevermind, as i said, the decisions you complain about were made in the White House, not Pentagon. The Pentagon is obliged to follow orders.
Thinking about it, there is surprisingly little Pentagon can do about its recruiting crisis by itself as long as the White House keeps pushing it in stupid directions.
 
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Do you have any polls about that, and do they specifically target the favorable military recruit demographics? As in the military shouldn't care what middle aged women think, they aren't going to join the military in any worthwhile amount anyway.
No I don't have any specific polls, because these are not the sorts of polls the US media or establishment want to conduct.

Doing polls about why people don't want to join the military might reveal things that DC and the Pentagon don't want to have to face up to.

What I do have is a lot of experience in Discords and the like where people share screencaps of recruiter attempts to pull people in, and the hilarious negative responses they get most of the time. Plus personal experience with several different recruitment attempts over the years.
A lot of the problems come from above the military, including the ideological ones you are complaining about, and it's not like this kind of guiltmongering ever made an organization sound cool and make people want to join, if you consider the fates of all the SJW infiltrated organizations made to wallow in their historical guilt real and imagined, so your solution sounds more like a way to make the problem worse if anything.
Nevermind, as i said, the decisions you complain about were made in the White House, not Pentagon. The Pentagon is obliged to follow orders.
Thinking about it, there is surprisingly little Pentagon can do about its recruiting crisis by itself as long as the White House keeps pushing it in stupid directions.
The Pentagon could easily fix some of these problems if they were willing to call out the problems that have been dumped on them by foolish White House's and by 'allies' who wanted to bleed the US of resources while testing how far NATO Art 5 would go (France and what happened in Veitnam).

Instead they still want to pretend Vietnam and Iraq were justified, instead of wasteful farces, and want to keep pretending the military leadership aren't also politicians, and that the US military is effectively it's own political branch and party all in one.

Also, 'sounding cool' isn't going to help recruiting numbers anymore, because anyone with an internet connection can do some digging to see through the recruiter PR. And even if they do get some people to join, retention numbers are also shit because fewer and fewer people who join as young, naive fools want to stay in the military one second longer than their contract makes them.

One of my own grandfathers was a B-25 crew chief/trainer in WW2, who was offered an appointment to West Point after his term of service, and he turned it down, twice, because 'he was tired of taking orders from people dumber than him'. He left the service after literally counting down the days, hours, and minutes he was in the military, and was willing to piss off his own father by turning down the West Point appointment to go back to college for an Electrical Engineering degree.

The US military's culture and leadership has not gotten any smarter since then, and now the world can see a lot more of the bullshit recruiters try to hide about military service, regardless of who's in the White House.

Owning up to the military's fuck ups, and the many wasted lives since WW2, would help rebuild trust in the US military as an institution. Without trust in the institution, not many people are going to feel inclined to join up, and if the leadership/brass don't want to do what is necessary to rebuild trust, then they cannot blame the populace for not seeing military service as a worthwhile career/life choice.
 
No I don't have any specific polls, because these are not the sorts of polls the US media or establishment want to conduct.

Doing polls about why people don't want to join the military might reveal things that DC and the Pentagon don't want to have to face up to.

What I do have is a lot of experience in Discords and the like where people share screencaps of recruiter attempts to pull people in, and the hilarious negative responses they get most of the time. Plus personal experience with several different recruitment attempts over the years.
>Source: my discords
This is the same logic that gets certain e-communists to think that communism is totally mainstream among the young.
The Pentagon could easily fix some of these problems if they were willing to call out the problems that have been dumped on them by foolish White House's and by 'allies' who wanted to bleed the US of resources while testing how far NATO Art 5 would go (France and what happened in Veitnam).
And what would that achieve? You think the main reason people don't join in 2022 is that the generals aren't giving the right comments about foreign affairs policy in 1960's?
Instead they still want to pretend Vietnam and Iraq were justified, instead of wasteful farces, and want to keep pretending the military leadership aren't also politicians, and that the US military is effectively it's own political branch and party all in one.
The people who care the most about this stuff are among the least willing to consider joining anyway.
Also, 'sounding cool' isn't going to help recruiting numbers anymore, because anyone with an internet connection can do some digging to see through the recruiter PR. And even if they do get some people to join, retention numbers are also shit because fewer and fewer people who join as young, naive fools want to stay in the military one second longer than their contract makes them.
Let's be honest, there are 3 main factors that make people consider the military career:
1. Patriotism\nationalism
2. Money&benefits
3. Adventure, especially for young men
Politicians and media are fucking up 1 proudly, politically correct, corporate style policies driven by politicians are also ruining 3, and private sector is biting at 2.
Owning up to the military's fuck ups, and the many wasted lives since WW2, would help rebuild trust in the US military as an institution.
Wallowing in past guilts a trustworthy institution doesn't make. Considering modern patterns, quite the opposite. The more feasible way to achieve the effect would be to show, not tell, but then we get to the source of the problem - Pentagon follows orders, the showing required would get people dismissed and replaced with those who are willing to be yes men.
Without trust in the institution, not many people are going to feel inclined to join up, and if the leadership/brass don't want to do what is necessary to rebuild trust, then they cannot blame the populace for not seeing military service as a worthwhile career/life choice.
Have you considered that this particular institution having trust problems may have something to do with how pretty much all the other institutions have equal or worse trust problems lately, including the institutions who are in command of it?
 
>Source: my discords
This is the same logic that gets certain e-communists to think that communism is totally mainstream among the young.
Yet there is a real recruiting problem, and frankly a lot of ignorant youth do see communism as a 'better' alternative to the crony capitalism we have now.

I know communism isn't the answer, but I also completely get why a lot of young people feel modern capitalism has failed them.
And what would that achieve? You think the main reason people don't join in 2022 is that the generals aren't giving the right comments about foreign affairs policy in 1960's?
I think it plays a bigger part than you want to admit, because the legacy of Veitnam has lingered on in the minds of many in the US, and now we also have Iraq to point to to show the military didn't learn shit about why Veitnam was unpopular and why it turned people in the US against the military.

It's called pattern recognition.

The people who care the most about this stuff are among the least willing to consider joining anyway.
Yet the military is scrambling for manpower and getting desperate about recruiting numbers to the point of actually starting to impicitly threaten a draft, even a peace time draft, if they don't get enough volunteers.

So I would say they might want to consider doing things to bring in people, even people who normally wouldn't be interested in joining the current US military, and stop trying to protect the 'pride' of their services instead of doing what might help bring recruiting numbers up.

Let's be honest, there are 3 main factors that make people consider the military career:
1. Patriotism\nationalism
2. Money&benefits
3. Adventure, especially for young men
Politicians and media are fucking up 1 proudly, politically correct, corporate style policies driven by politicians are also ruining 3, and private sector is biting at 2.
You forgot 4) Recruiter lies about military life to youth who don't know better.

Wallowing in past guilts a trustworthy institution doesn't make. Considering modern patterns, quite the opposite. The more feasible way to achieve the effect would be to show, not tell, but then we get to the source of the problem - Pentagon follows orders, the showing required would get people dismissed and replaced with those who are willing to be yes men.
Admitting guilt is not the same as wallowing in it, and the US military won't even admit Veitnam wasn't justified and neither was Iraq, so they won't face up to their own part in it.

And the military leadership is already full of Yes Men for the establishment, as their actions around Trump and Syria show, along with Milley's actions around Jan 6th. So that ship has sailed, and worrying about more 'Yes Men' coming in if the military admits it's fuck ups is worrying about closing the barn door after the horse has already bolted.

Have you considered that this particular institution having trust problems may have something to do with how pretty much all the other institutions have equal or worse trust problems lately, including the institutions who are in command of it?
Except the military was supposed to be the last bastion of social cohesion and trust for the US, but started frittering that away in Iraq when the WMD bullshit was exposed for the lie it was, and DC/the Pentagon never did much to rebuild it, instead taking the worship and admiration of the US military by US civies as a given they didn't need to worry about, till reality hit them on the head and now they are panicking about recruitment numbers.
 

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