Trump's Attempt at Middle East Peace Plan for Palestine and Israel

[Marduk]

Oh, the education systems lead by Hamas are of course awful and antisemitic. I just don't see UNRWA as a big part of the problem here.

According to this, they do have problems.

New UNRWA textbooks for Palestinians demonize Israel and Jews

According to the Palestinian schoolbooks, Jews have no rights whatsoever in the region but only "greedy ambitions." The books also say that Jews have no holy places.

www.jpost.com

According to the Palestinian schoolbooks, Jews have no rights whatsoever in Palestine but only “greedy ambitions.” The books also say that Jews have no holy places there either – the Western Wall in Jerusalem, the Cave of the Patriarchs in Hebron and Rachel’s Tomb in Bethlehem are all presented as Muslim holy places threatened by Jews.

The study also shows that cities established by Jews in modern times, including Tel Aviv, are sometimes not shown on maps either.

“Israel is not a legitimate state according to the PA schoolbooks studied at UNRWA schools,” the study said. “The name ‘Israel’ does not appear on the map at all.”

No, I don't think that Arab nations will take them, but without Arab nations supporting Palestine in the UN, the UNRWA's charter can change to allow resettlement, so then the Palestinians could be resettled in a number of countries.

Israel may realisticly get few Arab nations that it recently had aligned interests with, like Gulf States, Egypt and Jordan on its side, but the rest of Muslim countries? Doubt it. Syria, Iran and Pakistan for example.

 

[Abhorsen]

According to this, they do have problems.

New UNRWA textbooks for Palestinians demonize Israel and Jews

According to the Palestinian schoolbooks, Jews have no rights whatsoever in the region but only "greedy ambitions." The books also say that Jews have no holy places.

www.jpost.com

Israel may realisticly get few Arab nations that it recently had aligned interests with, like Gulf States, Egypt and Jordan on its side, but the rest of Muslim countries? Doubt it. Syria, Iran and Pakistan for example.

So from what I gather, in some cases there are definite UNRWA textbooks that promote hate, but whether or not the UNRWA textbooks are biased in general seems to be a political question, one that I am not prepared to research effectively. There is a whole wikipedia article on it (which is biased against Israel, but that is typical).

Of those nations, only Syria is an Arabic nation. But even splitting the vote would be huge, as once OPEC isn't holding a united front against Israel, the middle eastern nations won't hold the UN by the balls anymore.

 

[Bacle]

There is one big reason why this isn't happening now or anytime soon, no one will take them. Most westerners may not know that it has already happened on a fairly big scale. In Jordan and Kuwait. They also don't know what happened next...
But the Arab national leaders who would be taking them, they know. No one wants to be third to have a mess like that.

Maybe Israel should just ship them all to Turkey; Erdogan is buddy-buddy with Hezbollah and other Islamists as it is.

 

[Cherico]

Maybe Israel should just ship them all to Turkey; Erdogan is buddy-buddy with Hezbollah and other Islamists as it is.

If that happened the Turks would end up killing them all.

They barely tolerate the Kurds you think that turkeys going to be able to put up with the Palasitians crap?

 

[Bacle]

If that happened the Turks would end up killing them all.

They barely tolerate the Kurds you think that turkeys going to be able to put up with the Palasitians crap?

Maybe, if he can aim them at his political enemies and regional rivals.

 

[Cherico]

Maybe, if he can aim them at his political enemies and regional rivals.

Jordan tried that, they ended up trying to over throw the state, Egypt tried that their now firmly sick of them, Lebonon is a freaking mess, and Syrians when their not dealing with total Chaos look down on them, and the Kurds just think of the Palastinans as spoiled children.

The palistinian people have over a 50 plus year history managed to burn pretty much all their bridges with the Arab world and with the current cold war between the arabs and Persians going on the sympathies running down the toylet.

 

[Aaron Fox]

This isn't a peace deal, this is stupidity at it's highest level.

Given the situation, you'll have to destroy much of the Palestinian culture because much of it has been essentially continuing this pointless situation. You'll have to make the denazification process we did in Germany look like it was done by rank amateurs for peace to happen between Israel and the Palestinians.

Some say it would be cultural genocide. I say that it is better than the alternatives.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

This isn't a peace deal, this is stupidity at it's highest level.

Given the situation, you'll have to destroy much of the Palestinian culture because much of it has been essentially continuing this pointless situation. You'll have to make the denazification process we did in Germany look like it was done by rank amateurs for peace to happen between Israel and the Palestinians.

Some say it would be cultural genocide. I say that it is better than the alternatives.

Mein Kampf for sale, in Arabic

www.telegraph.co.uk

This maybe nearly two decades ago and subject to skepticism, but if they hate the Jews that much, yeah you will need to change their culture

Though that'd be considered rather racist

 

[Aaron Fox]

Mein Kampf for sale, in Arabic

www.telegraph.co.uk

This maybe nearly two decades ago and subject to skepticism, but if they hate the Jews that much, yeah you will need to change their culture

Though that'd be considered rather racist

Given that there was an Arab SS unit that operated during WW2... yeah, it might be considered racist but then again the Palestinians have won the all-important PR war until recently. Quite literally.

 

[GoldRanger]

Trump releases long-awaited Middle-East peace plan

The peace plan offers a Palestinian state but also hints at recognition of Israeli settlements.

www.bbc.co.uk

Another US president having another go at the quagmire of Israel and Palestine.

Points outlined as follows:



@GoldRanger what's your take? I know the Palestinians are very stubborn like a gambler going for all or nothing with the Three No's but now their position is untenable. Former supporters in using them as a catspaw see them as more of a hindrance.

It looks like Trump's method in how he negotiates. Put out a list of points and wait for their response. When they inevitably disagree with the plan, Trump does something to twist their arm and finally bring them to the negotiating table.

I support the plan. It's an acceptable one to Israel IMO.

The Palestinians will obviously not support it and I don't believe Trump will manage to bring them to negotiate in good faith, unfortunately. The Palestinians have the backing of the left wing west, which will support their "from the river to the sea" claim. They are fanatical and will accept plenty of hardship, but will not abandon their murderous, imperialistic ideology of conquest that easily.

 

[Aaron Fox]

I support the plan. It's an acceptable one to Israel IMO.

The Palestinians will obviously not support it and I don't believe Trump will manage to bring them to negotiate in good faith, unfortunately. The Palestinians have the backing of the left wing west, which will support their "from the river to the sea" claim. They are fanatical and will accept plenty of hardship, but will not abandon their murderous, imperialistic ideology of conquest that easily.

That hasn't been the case after the Associated Press has basically opened the gates of their war crimes that they've kept under wraps. Between the Palestinians burning every bridge they can and the internet allowing the AP to bypass the traditional Palestinian controls...

... the level of bullshit that the 'left' can tolerate is decaying rather quickly.

 

[Doomsought]

One flaw in Trump is that he doens't know when to bully from a position of absolute power, but rather sees a possibility of negotiation everywhere. Palestine should not be a self governed state, it needs to be turned into a colony.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Given that there was an Arab SS unit that operated during WW2... yeah, it might be considered racist but then again the Palestinians have won the all-important PR war until recently. Quite literally.

You mean they're immune from being called racist or bigoted or backwards and are just seen only as victims of evil white europeans(who are Jews)who came by?

How exactly does Israel's surrounding nations treat it's Jewish population? I think I heard once that a portion of Israel's non-white Jewish population came from them

 

[Deleted member 88]

The Arab world has enough issues already without adding millions of people to their countries.

It’s not widely known-but there was a brief civil war in Jordan when the Palestinians attempted to overthrow the government(backed by Syria at the time IIRC).

No Arab country wants to have a large population to integrate-especially not ones that were recently unstable, already unstable or teetering on the brink of anarchy or revolution every six months.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

The Arab world has enough issues already without adding millions of people to their countries.

It’s not widely known-but there was a brief civil war in Jordan when the Palestinians attempted to overthrow the government(backed by Syria at the time IIRC).

No Arab country wants to have a large population to integrate-especially not ones that were recently unstable, already unstable or teetering on the brink of anarchy or revolution every six months.

No wonder they prefer them to be in the Western World instead

Though, are the problems religious-values-wise?

 

[Deleted member 88]

No wonder they prefer them to be in the Western World instead

Though, are the problems religious-values-wise?

It’s more demographic and social tension. Than religion.

The Palestinians are probably in general less educated than most Arabs-who have a college degree(that was part of the reason for the Arabs Spring-the lack of jobs for young people who had completed formal schooling), but you already have tense societies, especially ones ruled by autocrats, or semi autocrats, adding millions of people who while sharing the same general religious affiliation(Sunni Islam)-will compete for jobs, compete for housing, as well as political influence.

There were some anti immigrant riots in Turkey actually-apparently some Syrian refugees were cat calling Turkish women and the local male Turks beat them up in response.

So religious unity is definitely not a barrier against social upheaval here.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

There were some anti immigrant riots in Turkey actually-apparently some Syrian refugees were cat calling Turkish women and the local male Turks beat them up in response.

So religious unity is definitely not a barrier against social upheaval here.

I guess Religious Unity however is what makes them remember to treat their fellows no less different

They defended their women there, albeit in a way that caused a riot

 

[Aaron Fox]

You mean they're immune from being called racist or bigoted or backwards and are just seen only as victims of evil white europeans(who are Jews)who came by?

That has been decaying as of late. Enough to be noticeable but slow.

How exactly does Israel's surrounding nations treat it's Jewish population? I think I heard once that a portion of Israel's non-white Jewish population came from them

Poorly, at best. There was a sort of diaspora that happened in 1948 when the 1st Arab-Israeli war flared up.

The Arab world has enough issues already without adding millions of people to their countries.

It’s not widely known-but there was a brief civil war in Jordan when the Palestinians attempted to overthrow the government(backed by Syria at the time IIRC).

No Arab country wants to have a large population to integrate-especially not ones that were recently unstable, already unstable or teetering on the brink of anarchy or revolution every six months.

Ah, Black September, something that flies over most people these days.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

That has been decaying as of late. Enough to be noticeable but slow.

Poorly, at best. There was a sort of diaspora that happened in 1948 when the 1st Arab-Israeli war flared up.

Ah, Black September, something that flies over most people these days.

Noticable but slow? Honestly, given that it looks like Muslims in their own far off countries treating their own Jewish population not exactly being a secret, is a thing

I expect that whatever Race Card they’re using or is being used on them will break apart

Just how many people remember or know that Jews aren’t just whites or that they didn’t just migrate to Europe or the USA?

I expect that however this thing ends, if it ever does, hatred of Jews or Israelites will increase

 

[Arlos]

How exactly does Israel's surrounding nations treat it's Jewish population? I think I heard once that a portion of Israel's non-white Jewish population came from them

What Jewish population?
there hasn’t been a significant Jewish population in surrounding Arab countries since the last century.