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Captain X

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The two parties are both accusing each other of pedophilia. Of desiring ethnic cleansing. Of silencing their opposition. where do you think it's going to go from here?
I only see the Democrats defending pedophilia, desiring ethnic cleansing, and silencing their opposition, not the Republicans. It's funny, because for all the accusations of fascism, I've only seen the Democrats actually act like fascists. For example, they accused Trump of being against the freedom of the press, but the only ones shutting media outlets down have been Democrats.
 

Morphic Tide

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Baby murder convenience VS the sanctity of life.
For the pill to be baby murder is to have life be so cheap as to be worthless as the zygotes present by then are quite unlikely to progress to birth, and first-term abortions are still within what would historically have been unnoticed miscarriages while lacking any material capacity for suffering. Condoms prevent anything anyone sees as conception altogether.

I, personally, thoroughly disapprove of abortion of fetuses as birth control because we have so damn many other options to have the fun without the responsibility, so if you actually do get pregnant you better have a medical reason for abortion because you had loads of options to keep that from happening while still having sex.

Shameless Debauchery VS family values.
How many fundamental differences can you actually pin down to say same-sex relationships cannot perform the same social function as traditional marriage? I'm interested in what it is about men and women that has you think freedom of partner cannot coexist with family values, and how necessary the Man+Woman part really is to those values.

Respecting each and every sexual desire VS protecting children from pedophiles
What's in the way of drawing the line at choice of partner to permit homosexuality and interracial marriage but keeping taboos against "hook-up culture" or swingers? Or leaving it to the bedroom as long as both are consenting adults? You do not have to make a mad dash to the furthest extremes, one can stop at any point and join hands with those less permissive to oppose the more extreme.
 

Morphic Tide

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All of them
Really? The entire premise of Man+Woman is that they perform different tasks, so the ability to accomplish one of those sets in a same-sex couple is a logical requirement. So a Man+Man or Woman+Woman relationship fundamentally cannot wholly fail at the functions of traditional marriage because you have a man or a woman, depending on which of the two is present.

Can you name specifics of the social function, separate from the biology of child birth, truly requiring it?
 

Doomsought

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Can you name specifics of the social function, separate from the biology of child birth, truly requiring it?
You are trying to create a division that does not exist. All of the social functions of marraige are the result of the biological functions of marriage. Marraige is just the social recognition of how humans are designed to function as a family unit. The roles of marriage are defined by sexual dimorphism both effecting both physical and psychological development. Both sexes have psychological features that exist for the sole purpose of selecting the best members of the opposite sex for marriage. This is why each sex's sexual fantasy is identical to the opposite sex's power fantasy.
 

Airedale260

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Well, yes, but the problem is threefold: 1) If Biden and Co reverse course, it’s admitting they’re in over their heads and their egos won’t allow it; 2) It means that they end up proving Trump right on this issue and not only will their egos take a hit, their base will crucify them, and 3) It would thwart the long-standing plan of “bringing in illegals, then legalizing them to dilute the vote” (never mind that their swing towards socialism is already thwarting it among many of the new arrivals but hey).
 

The Phule

The Phule on the Hill
I only see the Democrats defending pedophilia, desiring ethnic cleansing, and silencing their opposition, not the Republicans.
I'm not talking about who's *doing* what, frankly.

But I am 100% confident that on a liberal leaning forum I could find a post exactly identical to this one except with Republican and Democrat switched.

My personal hope is that neither side is actually doing these things. My fear is that both sides are.

And please don't try to convince me that one side is the 'good one' and the other isn't. I've heard it numerous times from both sides. Frankly, you're both fighting over which apocalypse you think we're going to have and this isn't going to change any time soon.

Politicians and Celebrities remain corrupt, regardless of side. Individual people remain OK regardless of side. This has been, and continues to be, my life experience.
 
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LordsFire

Internet Wizard
I'm not talking about who's *doing* what, frankly.

But I am 100% confident that on a liberal leaning forum I could find a post exactly identical to this one except with Republican and Democrat switched.

My personal hope is that neither side is actually doing these things. My fear is that both sides are.

And please don't try to convince me that one side is the 'good one' and the other isn't. I've heard it numerous times from both sides. Frankly, you're both fighting over which apocalypse you think we're going to have and this isn't going to change any time soon.

Politicians and Celebrities remain corrupt, regardless of side. Individual people remain OK regardless of side. This has been, and continues to be, my life experience.

I have a rule of thumb:

'Republicans are 50% corrupt, Democrats are 99.9% corrupt.'

There is absolutely corruption within the Republican Party, and within the Conservative movement that it sort of represents. Tendency towards corruption is part of human nature, and any sufficiently large group or organization will suffer from it. It should be fought, but can never be completely overcome, just as corrosion and decay can never be completely overcome.

With the Democrats though, the problem isn't just that there is a presence of corruption, it's that the fundamental principles they operate on are corrupt. It is literally impossible for them not to be corrupt, because their ideology is based on a foundation of lies.

While there are similarities, they are not the same, and to pretend that they are is to refuse to pursue the truth.
 

The Phule

The Phule on the Hill
Once more, the other side says the exact, to the letter, same thing as well.

Listening to people argue us politics is like watching a man shadow box with his own reflection in the mirror and not being sure which is the man and which is the mirror.
 

Rocinante

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Once more, the other side says the exact, to the letter, same thing as well.

Listening to people argue us politics is like watching a man shadow box with his own reflection in the mirror and not being sure which is the man and which is the mirror.
As an ex leftie, and I mean deep, deep into left wing camp, I can say while the rhetoric might look the same from the outside, the left is the side that touts things like "party of science" while actively rejecting science.

The left practices racism while touting about anti racism.

The left talks about social and economic justice while pushing policy that achieves the opposite.

The left talks about free expression while being against free speech.

The left cried about kids in cages and now keeps 3x as many kids in those same cages (cages that they built)

The left will attack children and carry about political vendettas while claiming this is what the right does.

The left complains about the right being moral puritans and busy bodies while they perpetuate cancel culture.

The left will excuse rioting in the streets and nightly violence but the right acts up one time and suddenly it's a white supremacist coup and we have NG stationed for months at a time.

The left talks about the right being authoritarian fascists while they try to pass voting bills that will assure they permanently remain in power.

The sides are not the same.

I have plenty of issues with the right, but I left the left because they're hypocrital authoritarian monsters.

Having been on both sides, yes, there are elements of this on the right. But it's just another Tuesday for the left.
 
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Airedale260

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Yeah, for all the complaining lefties do about “mirror imaging” or whatever the hell it’s called, they do a bang-up job of it themselves.

The one point to which I want to object is saying “the right acted up just one time” in that it was against the Capitol and done largely as a response to an address to a crowd by the sitting president, that is, the leader of a rival branch. While I have no doubt most of them didn’t intend for things to go the way they did, it was still a massively bad look.

Having said all that, however, I think it’s ridiculous that the Capitol is still fenced off. It’s pretty damn clear this was a one-off event (thankfully). And yes, the whole point of HR 1 is to consolidate power in such a way as to actively sabotage the opposition.

The thing is, I don’t think it occurs to some of the mainstream liberal (as opposed to the outright lefties) that they’re doing exactly what they claim they want to prevent. It’s a hilarious lack of self-awareness (or would be if the matter weren’t so serious), but it also goes to the root of the problem that for way too many liberals, things are extremely complicated, and that taking the “common sense” (read: incredibly naive and not thought out at all) approach advocated by your average nine-year-old is simply not a way to run a country.
 

Rocinante

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Yeah, for all the complaining lefties do about “mirror imaging” or whatever the hell it’s called, they do a bang-up job of it themselves.

The one point to which I want to object is saying “the right acted up just one time” in that it was against the Capitol and done largely as a response to an address to a crowd by the sitting president, that is, the leader of a rival branch. While I have no doubt most of them didn’t intend for things to go the way they did, it was still a massively bad look.

Having said all that, however, I think it’s ridiculous that the Capitol is still fenced off. It’s pretty damn clear this was a one-off event (thankfully). And yes, the whole point of HR 1 is to consolidate power in such a way as to actively sabotage the opposition.

The thing is, I don’t think it occurs to some of the mainstream liberal (as opposed to the outright lefties) that they’re doing exactly what they claim they want to prevent. It’s a hilarious lack of self-awareness (or would be if the matter weren’t so serious), but it also goes to the root of the problem that for way too many liberals, things are extremely complicated, and that taking the “common sense” (read: incredibly naive and not thought out at all) approach advocated by your average nine-year-old is simply not a way to run a country.
That crowd was rioting and shit before Trump was done with his speech -- in a different location.

He was saying let's go peacefully protest. He literally used the word peacefully.

There was another stage set up there from what I hear. Presumably he was going to do more talking, but who knows, once he was done with his first speech he noped out, it was already out of control.

Additionally, by some estimates, 2 million PISSED OFF people showed up in DC that day. A few hundred held a riot.

It's not as big of a deal as the media is making it. Protests have happened at the Capitol before.

That said, I fucking hate those douchebags. They gave the media all the ammo they could ever hope for with that fucking retarded bullshit. Fucking jerks. We were going to have all the leading republicans clmake powerful speeches that would get tons of media coverage, and instead we got THAT. infuriating.
 

Doomsought

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That said, I fucking hate those douchebags. They gave the media all the ammo they could ever hope for with that fucking retarded bullshit. Fucking jerks. We were going to have all the leading republicans clmake powerful speeches that would get tons of media coverage, and instead we got THAT. infuriating.
It doesn't matter, if they hadn't done something then the media would have still made something up anyways.
 

Bacle

When the effort is no longer profitable...
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As an ex leftie, and I mean deep, deep into left wing camp, I can say while the rhetoric might look the same from the outside, the left is the side that touts things like "party of science" while actively rejecting science.

The left practices racism while touting about anti racism.

The left talks about social and economic justice while pushing policy that achieves the opposite.

The left talks about free expression while being against free speech.

The left cried about kids in cages and now keeps 3x as many kids in those same cages (cages that they built)

The left will attack children and carry about political vendettas while claiming this is what the right does.

The left complains about the right being moral puritans and busy bodies while they perpetuate cancel culture.

The left will excuse rioting in the streets and nightly violence but the right acts up one time and suddenly it's a white supremacist coup and we have NG stationed for months at a time.

The left talks about the right being authoritarian fascists while they try to pass voting bills that will assure they permanently remain in power.

The sides are not the same.

I have plenty of issues with the right, but I left the left because they're hypocrital authoritarian monsters.

Having been on both sides, yes, there are elements of this on the right. But it's just another Tuesday for the left.
One issue I have with the Right, that I think underpins a lot of the Left/Right divide, can be looked at in one phrase:

"Work smarter, not harder."

The Right goes on and on about 'hard work' and it's virtues, without accounting for if they ACTUALLY need to 'work hard' to accomplish a task that could be done a 'smarter' way.

Where as the Left realized long ago that 'working smarter' has much better ROI than 'working harder' and decided to start looking for and creating every short cut, loophole, and workaround they could for most issues they faced.

The Right is more 'virtuous' than the Left these days, but are constantly playing catch up on most things because too many on the Right keep trying to cling to or return to the past, instead of figuring out and strategically planning for the future using present realities. About the most forward thinking bit of the Right are the libertarian-conservsatives, who seem to able to adapt easier than the ones who cling to 'tradition'.
 

Terthna

Professional Lurker
Once more, the other side says the exact, to the letter, same thing as well.

Listening to people argue us politics is like watching a man shadow box with his own reflection in the mirror and not being sure which is the man and which is the mirror.
Ask any abuser to explain themselves, and they will invariably try to paint themselves as the victim, and their victims as the abusers; which, from a disinterested outsider's perspective, can come across as "he said, she said". Dig a little deeper, however, and the truth becomes clear. The regressive left can say whatever they want, but the facts are the facts; and they do not match up at all.
 

LordsFire

Internet Wizard
Once more, the other side says the exact, to the letter, same thing as well.

Listening to people argue us politics is like watching a man shadow box with his own reflection in the mirror and not being sure which is the man and which is the mirror.

So then actually evaluate the truth claims of each side.

We do not live in a world where there's nothing but hearsay to go on. You can actually investigate the effectiveness of each side's touted policies, and see what came from them. Check and see how a sampling of the policies of each ideological movement and party panned out.

Then make a judgement based on the facts.

I'd recommend you start with a comparison of the effects of Trump's and Biden's immigration policies. It's an issue that's both immediately at hand and easy to get information about.
 

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