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And if you watched what Steven had said, you would understand it better

I've never found Crowder particularly convincing or interesting. If you link a clip I might try watching it, but I'm pretty sure my reaction will be that he's wrong.

What do you actually like about Powell in terms of actual actions taken post-Vietnam? I can understand respecting... basically just his actions following that helicopter crash. But their should be nearly fifty years of what he did afterward leaving a bad taste in any right-wingers mouth on this guy, he should be very nearly the *personification* of inner party deep state type, whereas I get the sense that you only realized he might be less than popular with many people here after he died.

Like, let's start in Vietnam. His first tour (as a captain) was as a military advisor to South Vietnam. Given the use of "advisors" to "moderate rebels" today, military advisors are probably organizationally suspect, although aiding South Vietnam against the communists is on the face of it unobjectionable. Then he's charged with investigating a letter which backed up allegations of My Lai, and spins it, but then afterward in 2004 he says that he was in the unit responsible for My Lai and got there after it happened. (I have no idea if there's a redpill on My Lai or something, but either he knew about it and helped cover it up or he went back on himself to back the media narrative after the fact).

He was involved in Iran-Contra, under Weinberger, and despite having solicited a legal opinion and delivered to Weinberger that this was illegal, per Independent Counsel Lawrence E. Walsh he gave incomplete answers and concealed notes that would meet the new test of obstruction.

After Iran-Contra, he seems to have enjoyed what looks to me like a very rapid ascent up the ranks - in 1986 he's in command of the V corps in Frankfurt, then in 1987 he's Deputy National Security Advisor and then still in 1987 National Security Advisor, 1989 he's made the third general to get four stars without having served as a division commander since WW2 and then later the same year he's made Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

As Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff the media nicknames him "the reluctant warrior" (which is good PR for liberals) but he disputes this (which is good PR for conservatives, particularly then). He clashes with Aspin and ends up resigning, allegedly over him being "too focused on salad" during a meeting. Which is ridiculous and sus as hell. The operation the meeting was for goes to shit (battle of mogadishu) but he resigns almost immediately before the battle of mogadishu starts, so it can't have been a mea culpa. Then he runs cover for Aspin for the media after it.

Then of course, there's his time as Secretary of State, selling the war on Iraq. As for his politics on social and domestic issues, he's socially liberal on almost every issue (pro-abortion, pro-affirmative action, and expressed support for the AWB). He was part of the roll out of don't ask, don't tell and then supported it's removal. He was pretty much the archetypal "moderate Republican" national security state type, except better at handling PR.

Conservative, Liberal, does it really matter?

When I talk about my issues with conservativism, my alternative is not liberalism or any kind of leftism.
 
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Congratulations, you are now a partisan hack.

When people on our end of the spectrum, or close to it, die, the left lay into them and we rightfully get annoyed. It is not okay when we do it.

And that’s exactly why you lose. You can be morally right all you want, they’ll just laugh as they rape your kids and throw you in prison. Ask the January 6th political prisoners about that.

Likewise, who on “our end” are you talking about?
 
And that’s exactly why you lose. You can be morally right all you want

Ah, this bollocks about "principles make us weak."

No, if we'd upheld and enforced our principles in the first place, much of what has gone wrong today wouldn't have happened.

Edit: Besides, being cordial and maintaining decorum whilst you shit down their throat is one of the bigger power moves in politics for good reason.
 
Ah, this bollocks about "principles make us weak."

No, if we'd upheld and enforced our principles in the first place, much of what has gone wrong today wouldn't have happened.

Edit: Besides, being cordial and maintaining decorum whilst you shit down their throat is one of the bigger power moves in politics for good reason.

Is that why the GOP still controls Congress and Trump is President lol? Ask the parents of Virginia who have been arrested at School board meetings and who have literally had their children raped while Administration does nothing. Ask the many political prisoners of January 6th, who are being regularly tortured and beaten while being held in prison on made up charges.

You can maintain your decorum and cordiality all you want, they don't give a shit because they are exercising real power, such as by sending the fucking FBI to your door as we are seeing increasingly. What you advocate for isn't some power strategy, its losing gracefully. What actually went wrong in society is that people like you bought into a bogus ideology and refused to wield actual power. Having principles isn't wrong, it's just the ones you are pushing for are. Colin Powell was a piece of shit and I'm glad to know he's going to suffer for all eternity for it.
 
Is that why the GOP still controls Congress and Trump is President lol? Ask the parents of Virginia who have been arrested at School board meetings and who have literally had their children raped while Administration does nothing. Ask the many political prisoners of January 6th, who are being regularly tortured and beaten while being held in prison on made up charges.

You can maintain your decorum and cordiality all you want, they don't give a shit because they are exercising real power, such as by sending the fucking FBI to your door as we are seeing increasingly. What you advocate for isn't some power strategy, its losing gracefully. What actually went wrong in society is that people like you bought into a bogus ideology and refused to wield actual power. Having principles isn't wrong, it's just the ones you are pushing for are. Colin Powell was a piece of shit and I'm glad to know he's going to suffer for all eternity for it.
I hate to agree with this, but he's right.

The right sticks to "principles" and keeps losing like pussies.

The reason so many people liked Trump is that he actually fought back, unlike most of those spineless weaklings.

Fuck decorum. It's time to fight back.

People like Desantis have a good middle ground. They can fight back and be tough while still being kind of professional.
 
I hate to agree with this, but he's right.

The right sticks to "principles" and keeps losing like pussies.

The reason so many people liked Trump is that he actually fought back, unlike most of those spineless weaklings.

Fuck decorum. It's time to fight back.

People like Desantis have a good middle ground. They can fight back and be tough while still being kind of professional.

I like the spirit, I just wish you could see people like Trump and Desantis aren't it at all.
 
The Right screws up by not holding the left to the same standards (likely out of a misguided notion that they share our values). If you take the bastards by the throat and make them play by your rules, it's a different story.
They play by their own rules and there's nothing we can do about it.

Hitting them back requires taking some plays out of their books.
 
Take back the levers of power.

Then we'll see.
And how will the Right do that?

It took the Left decades of careful subversion of academia to get where we are now, same with the State Dept and all the other bits of un-elected or only partially elected bureaucracy.

The Left already knows like 99% of the Right's playbook, and how to counter any strategies the Right tries to ape from the Left.

If anything saves the nation, it won't be hardcore, prinicpled Right Wing people who do it; it'll be moderates and centrists who are tired of the Far-Left and decide to eject them from within.

There is actually very little the Right can do to fix the problems it faces, politically, and far greater chance people like Manchin, Sinema, and Rand Paul are going to be the ones who derail the Great Reset.
 
Well I may agree with your general message there, but I doubt we are going to agree on who the right candidates are.

However, you do have me curious enough to ask who you think that might be.

At the national level, I see none. The fundamental conclusion most of you need to come to, from what I have seen, is the same one I gradually realized from 2016; the "Right" in America is basically controlled opposition, there is no savior coming to help us. Trump never was it, nor is Desantis, because they are both bought and paid for by the same interests that push the things we all probably agree upon hating.

Ask yourself why the Wall was never built despite the GOP controlling Congress, the Presidency and the Supreme Court, for example.
 

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