Vyor
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A representative for the bank said on the stand that they didn't feel defrauded.
Trump Investigations Thread
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It is a political witch hunt, and the laws/policies around classified material are something that S'Task and Zachowon know much better than you, you little fucking troll.
Then again, anytime you get caught out on being dead wrong about something, you run and hide, or leave a thread completely:
And you also have admitted openly to trying to be a troll:
Trump Investigations Thread
I mean...they've already lost a LOT of the people who's money is in those businesses. It's no surprise that the businesses would follow suit. New York city is actually in a pretty bad place. The cities business culture the thing that makes it money, is rendered irrelevent by...
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So why don't you put up another off-topic bit about the fake family you claim to be a part of, or just another of your random nonsensical derails that has to be shunted off to it's own thread.
evilchumlee
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Yes, but your understanding of it is askew. Context is the key, to damn near everything.
Case law is... case law. Precedent does matter when it comes to verdicts of cases.
Precedent doesn't really apply when it comes to if a prosecutor decides to prosecute or not. They're looking at the case in the context if the accusations warrant charges.
In these two particular cases, they are not the same thing. Remember that Trump is not being charged with the possession of classified documents. That was just the catalyst for the charges. The main charge facing Trump is the mishandling of information relating to national security under the Espionage Act. It doesn't matter if the information was classified or not in that case, it's just that if it was classified information, it's much easier to prosecute.
The circumstances and context between Clinton and Trump's situations are wildly different.
In Clinton's case, the accusation was that it was possible that someone could have accessed classified information but there was no actual, specific suspected breach. The question was over the security of Clintons email server and the improper storage of the information.
In Trump's case, the accusation is that people DID access the classified... or at the very least, privelaged, information due to the low/basically no security Trump had for the documents. It's an accusation... but part of the reason for the prosecution pursuing it is that they say they have audio recordings of Trump showing people the documents and admitting they aren't supposed to be seeing them.
The two situations are really nothing alike. They deal with a similar subject matter, but the context is wildly different between the two.
(And then, in the case of Biden, there were some potentially unsecured or minimally secured classified documents he shouldn't have had, with no reasonable suspicion of them having been accessed. When asked by the National Archives for the return, Biden immediately complied and returned the documents... even though as President, he didn't really need to but there no sense in making a spectacle out of it.)
In the grand scheme, it's Trump's general bravado that gets the better of him. Had Trump just returned the documents quietly and when requested, it probably would not have registered much on anyone's radar. Trump brought the trouble to himself by making it all a circus.
Bigking321
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No. I'm pretty sure it was the raid on his house that did that.
evilchumlee
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Which could have been avoided by just... complying.
Morphic Tide
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He did comply with all requests made before the raid.
evilchumlee
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That is factually incorrect. He did not.
Vyor
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What didn't he comply with?
Morphic Tide
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Cite me the official request he did not comply with. Not "well technically this law can be read this way", the direct case of him actively refusing after being informed of the issue.
Bigking321
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Didn't he let them inspect everything then increased security at their request? Then get raided?
Yes. He complied with their request to secure the documents by installing a lock, and then was raided.
Meanwhile, sleepy joe had them stacked up next to his vette in his garage since his time as VP.
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Typhonis
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WHILE he was not present. Interesting fact that.
Welp, that's gonna get tossed.
Well the Supreme Court will have fun with that one
49ersfootball
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Howdy from the Alamo City Sietch family. Who's here because of the CO Supreme Court ordering Trump off the ballot in the Centennial State ?
Poe
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Personally I think states should get to choose both their senators and who they support for president anyway they want. Between this and all of the state indictments it's interesting to see the left start to become states rights advocates. If Trump gets elected again they're almost certain to become small government supporters in favor of reducing presidential power if he has his way with the federal bureaucracy.
49ersfootball
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Poe
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You're right but it may just become the only practical thing to do if every president comes in and fires the entire executive bureaucracy on day 1. It would take a few cycles, but these orgs would stop getting funding over time imo.