evilchumlee
Well-known member
"I disagree with you, so you're an NPC."
Do you guys like have like, a canned response manual you all pull from?
Trump Investigations Thread
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"I disagree with you, so you're an NPC."
Do you guys like have like, a canned response manual you all pull from?
bintananth
behind a desk
Dude, you're feeding what I suspect is a tro...
... and there it is. Suspicion confirmed.
Carrot of Truth
War is Peace
Yeah I only realized too late.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
So basically, you're affirming yourself as a hardline leftist, and also...
Completely failing to name literally anything bad that Trump did.
Funny how that works.
He confirmed himself as a raving leftoid the moment he claimed Trump who is legitimately to the left of Bill Clinton on a lot of issues is a freaking reactionary right winger.
evilchumlee
Well-known member
Wait... I get called a name and that makes me a troll? I don't really understand that.
I would honestly love to hear this take.
I surrender. Enlighten me on Leftist Trump.
To be fair a lot of people just do not want to admit that americas news media landscape just plain sucks.
And thats for a lot of reasons, we haven't had a competent one since they fired all of the competent reporters during the 90s.
evilchumlee
Well-known member
Oh our news media landscape absolutely sucks. It's so incredibly difficult to get any reliable information. The best we can do is try to aggregate several sources to try to find parallels in the reporting to piece together the actual story.
bintananth
behind a desk
You failed to read the room. I know that my political beliefs mean that I'm a figurative "tasty virgin surrounded by hungry vampires" when I post here.
I don't give them an excuse to bite my jugular.
Bill Clinton demolished Dole in a debate the moment he boasted about yeeting more black women off welfare and into the streets that any Republican ever.
Trump turned the Fed loose so he could throw gibsmedats on a population of indolent autists too stupid to realize the lockdowns were a deliberate attempt to destroy the American economy by the US IC and the managerial classes. Big scale welfare = further left than the guy who won Republicans over by kicking poor people off it by the millions.
Trump did more to fuck the 2A up the ass that any democratic President with the exception of Biden. I mean for God's sakes even Barry Sotoro didn't push red flag crap.
What else? Clinton started multiple brush fires with Russia and Kosovo- over bullshit, cut Lockheed Martin one of the biggest paydays it ever got and conducted illicit warfare against drug cartels in Jamaica and Central America and backed right wing insurgents in Colombia, Nicaragua and Argentina.
Trump? Couldn't even back a populist rebellion against a socialist in Venezuela while Venezuelans were posting videos of children in end stage starvation and filming doctors telling people to get then out of hospitals before they died because "acá la gente tienen ambre" implying the collapse inside Caracas was so had dying children were on the menu.
Trump was the populist/center and non uniparty right's way of politely asking a despicable element within American society to chill.
he wasnt a reactionary.
on almost every issue he socially progressive and a fiscal protectionist- protectionism being of the old school left and all that.
Hell he didn't even condemn the sentient rape machines I mean "trans" movement until he got pressured into by the base.
Oh and he pushed a poisoned product on the US and stood by and did jack and shit while Governors imprisoned their own citizens in their homes.
Even Carter would have sent nat guard troops onto state legislatures over that shit and Carter is a communist and a coward who thinks he met aliens in the Whitehouse 🤣🤣
Edit - the only Republican President who had a more socially progressive bent was Ronald Reagan and at least with Dutch it was only on one issue.
Too bad that one issue was no fault divorce and he pretty much destroyed the American working class by letting the evils of that loose on America's children.
Quite literally.
And if he ran for office on half the shit he ran for in 2016 and 2020 in 1992 and 1996 even the MSM would have called him too liberal on certain issues.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
I'm still waiting for you to enlighten us as to even one, much less a decent array, of policies Trump implemented that would make him a 'reactionary hard right' figure of some sort.
Donald Trump on abortion "safe, early, rarely"
Bill Clinton on the same issue in 1996 "safe, early, rarely, also violate that and my DOJ will try and put you and your doctor on death row."
Janet Reno being an evil, child murdering cripple only half assed her bosses mandate on that but really, him, Bush and Obama were the only Presidents whose Justice Departments threw abortionists into prison.
Granted in Obama's case its because Gosnel couldn't be ignored but yeah
Bill Clinton on the same issue in 1996 "safe, early, rarely, also violate that and my DOJ will try and put you and your doctor on death row."
Janet Reno being an evil, child murdering cripple only half assed her bosses mandate on that but really, him, Bush and Obama were the only Presidents whose Justice Departments threw abortionists into prison.
Granted in Obama's case its because Gosnel couldn't be ignored but yeah
If you look at Trump's presidency objectively, it was a very ordinary, generic presidency. He talked a big game, but he didn't actually rock the boat all that much. Tariffs on Chinese goods? Whatever, they had it coming. Trumpcare? It's literally Obamacare but with a couple words changed around. Soleimani? Shady motherfucker had it coming, too. North Korea? He didn't actually hash out a peace deal, only took baby steps toward one. Drain the swamp? Didn't happen. Swampier than ever.
But the media, insanely enough, built him up to be this horrifying far-right outsider who was making all these allegedly destructive and isolationist changes to how the country was run. How so? How was Trump objectively different from his predecessors, aside from how the media told us to feel about him?
Biden, on the other hand, has made our living conditions objectively worse, aided the march of soft totalitarianism through the institutions, driven up the cost of fuel and basic goods, made the US a laughingstock with his many senile gaffes, and so on, and yet the media presents him as the "business as usual/adults are back in the room" president.
The problem here is that the public don't have any ability whatsoever to form their own opinions from data. They just regurgitate what the news says, even if it's diametrically opposed to reality.
But the media, insanely enough, built him up to be this horrifying far-right outsider who was making all these allegedly destructive and isolationist changes to how the country was run. How so? How was Trump objectively different from his predecessors, aside from how the media told us to feel about him?
Biden, on the other hand, has made our living conditions objectively worse, aided the march of soft totalitarianism through the institutions, driven up the cost of fuel and basic goods, made the US a laughingstock with his many senile gaffes, and so on, and yet the media presents him as the "business as usual/adults are back in the room" president.
The problem here is that the public don't have any ability whatsoever to form their own opinions from data. They just regurgitate what the news says, even if it's diametrically opposed to reality.
Carrot of Truth
War is Peace
The biggest difference between him and his predecessors is that he didn't start any new wars.
strunkenwhite
Well-known member
It may not have mattered in this case, but it's always best to have one's facts straight. The easiest thing to nitpick from your list was that 1981 was significantly less than 45 years ago.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
The '~' indicates 'approximately' and '42' is close enough to 45.
'Staglation' was a result of the Carter administration, which was 45 years ago. I didn't recall exactly when it stopped, which is why I used '~45'